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684 - Psychedelic Summit – Santa Cruz 1992

Nov 27, 2023, 75 min read

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Guest speakers: Matthew Brederick, Bruce Eisner, Rick Doblin, Oscar Jannigar, Albert Hofmann, Humphry Osmand, John Beresford, Laura Huxley, Francis Huxley

Today’s podcasta features talks from the 1992 Psychedelic Summit that was held in Santa Cruz. As you can see from the names of the speakers, this was a star-studded event. While this 1992 conference features much talk about the War on Drugs, it is an interesting counterpoint to the conference that was held in Denver earlier this year in which the focus was the scientific importance of psychdelic substances.

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Well, the salon is alive and well.

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It’s just the podcasts that have fallen behind a bit.

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You see, the Psychedelic Salon began back in 1999

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with the four of us using some secure audio tech that I had access to,

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and we talked about psychedelics.

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Those four people were myself, Wild Bill Radizinski, Dr. Tom, and Nick Sand.

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That was when I bought the psychedelicsalon.com URL,

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but it wasn’t until March of 2005 that I began the podcast from the salon.

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In fact, there are over 250 recordings of our live salons posted on Patreon, and all those have taken place since the pandemic began.

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since the pandemic began. And yes, I know that it costs a dollar a month to access Patreon,

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It was on a recent episode of the Joe Rogan podcast when he was talking with Graham Hancock

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that my name came up and Joe wondered if the salon was still around. But to me, the subtext sounded like, is Lorenzo still alive?

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So I thought that I’d better do another podcast just to let you know that I’m still here.

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But I have to admit, 2022 did bring that into question.

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In April of last year, my wife and I came down with COVID,

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and in May, we had to move to another apartment.

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In August, I turned 80, and as a side note, I turned 80 on the exact same day that Joe Rogan

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turned 55. And then in November of 2022, my wife and I came down with a new strain of COVID.

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So this year has more or less been a recovery year, and for what it’s worth, I feel that I’m now in better health than I was when I was in my 50s.

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I seem to have slowed down a bit and have shorter periods of concentration, but I don’t think it’s long COVID.

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I think it’s simply because I’m now 81 years old.

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The headline is that, however, you’re stuck with me for at least another 10 years.

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That’s my firm belief.

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Now, on with today’s podcast. I was given this tape by my good friend Mac Larson, who also gave me some other old tapes

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of several elders who are no longer with us, including some Terrence McKenna talks that I

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haven’t heard before. But this tape that I’m going to play for you right now is perhaps the most

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historic of the lot.

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Mac dropped these tapes off as he was on his way to the mega psychedelic science conference that was held in Denver this past summer.

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So it seems appropriate that I should begin playing his batch of tapes with another psychedelic conference, one that took place over 30 years ago.

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The conference was held during April of 1992 in Santa Cruz, California. The list of speakers at this conference was astounding, and on this tape alone we’re going to hear Bruce Eisner,

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Oscar Janager, Albert Hoffman, Laura Huxley, and Francis Huxley, as well as others. This is a

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lineup of speakers who have made major contributions to the rekindling of the psychedelic movement,

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and this lineup may never be surpassed. But please don’t think that I’m playing this just

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to contrast with the incredible job that MAPS and Rick Doblin did with the Denver Conference.

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You see, this 1992 psychedelic conference was also produced by my old friend Rick Doblin.

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And here are the speakers that you’re

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about to hear in this recording, which is tape one of three, by the way. They are Matthew Frederick,

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Bruce Eisner, Rick Doblin, Oscar Janiger, Albert Hoffman, Humphrey Osmond, John Bresford,

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Laura Huxley, and Frances Huxley. And as we listen to this recording, I suggest that you notice how much focus there was on the war on drugs

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and contrast that with the Denver conference

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where the focus was on the science of psychedelics.

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In my opinion, this is an indication that our side

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is actually winning this war on drugs.

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So let’s listen now.

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Welcome to the summit, the Psychedelic Summit.

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Like all anniversaries, this is a bittersweet occasion, not to mention the seating problem we’ve been having tonight.

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bittersweet occasion, not to mention the seating problem we’ve been having tonight. Outside this theater, and probably inside too, the drug war continues. And the first casualty

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of war, as we all know, is the truth. It wasn’t until I took LSD for the first time that I started asking fundamental questions about the world.

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Questions like, why does the economy have to grow?

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And why, even though I’m only 24 years old, does it feel like I’ve been alive forever?

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I also looked into the story of this remarkable drug, the 60s, Timothy Leary, Ken Kesey,

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Albert Hoffman, the father of LSD.

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Albert Hoffman, the father of LSD. Whether or not Albert Hoffman’s discovery of LSD-25 was an accident, it is no accident that there are over 2,000 prisoners of consciousness serving long jail terms at this very moment. I spoke to one just the other day. His name is Ron Yarborough.

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I spoke to him Sunday morning, which was Easter morning at 8.30. After the interview, he left

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with his mother and his girlfriend to drive himself to Arizona and turn himself in to serve a

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10-year jail sentence for LSD. The sentences are based on the amount of LSD sold. The amount

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sold is based on the carrier weight. This is one of the issues we’ve been very concerned about. Whether your LSD is on paper or in sugar cubes or in orange juice,

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they actually weigh the medium that it was transported on

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and use that for their sentencing guidelines,

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which enforce a mandatory minimum of 10 years for 10 grams or more.

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That means mandatory without parole.

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And so while we celebrate and mark the occasion of 50 years of LSD and express our hopes and dreams for the future in the next 50,

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we must not lose sight of the prisoners

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of this ludicrous drug war.

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And I’d like to just read a letter from one of them.

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This is one of many that I’ve been looking through in the last…

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You know, I’ve educated myself about this issue in the last two weeks. I’ve taken a

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crash course in it, and I think that it’s one of the biggest scandals ever. But there

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are tables outside. I do believe Citizens for Equal Justice are here tonight. A great group of people

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run by Barry and Connie Dumont, whose son, Levon, is serving a 16-year sentence. But

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let me just read this letter, and let’s let the evening carry on. And it’s, to whom it

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may concern, my name is Jason Cohn, and I have recently been sentenced to 10 years in federal prison for 12.8 grams of LSD, 20 sheets.

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I am now 20 years old and reside in the federal prison camp at Eglin Air Force Base.

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I received your name through a friend here, and I’m writing to you because I’m curious about what your organization is. The organization is Citizens for Equal Justice. And how you’re planning to make a change. There are about 15 to 20 LSD cases here at Eglin, and we’re all keeping our fingers crossed for change.

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Please write to me at this address.

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If anybody has a pen handy, I’ll just say it really quickly. Jason Cohn, 90065-011, P.O. Box 600, Dorm 3, C-17, FPC, Eglin, EG, L.A.N, Air Force Base, Florida.

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And the zip is 325-427-606.

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You can come to me at the intermission and get all that.

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The letter continues, I am eagerly awaiting word from you.

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If it means anything to your cause, none of the LSD cases here have any prior record,

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no weapons in their possession, and are all under the age of 25.

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Even I am not the youngest here.

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A kid arrived last week that just turned 19, and another the same week that just turned 20.

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Sincerely, Jason Cohn.

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P.S. I lived in Santa Cruz for a while,

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and I’d like to be free to come back before my release date, 2001.

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What can I do to help the cause?

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Say hello to the trees and to the ocean for me.

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I dream about them every night.

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Help us.

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Hi, I’m Bruce Eisner,

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and I just wanted to see how many of you out here rode your bicycles up to…

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Well, for those of you who didn’t, I didn’t either, but when I was a

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student here back in 1977, 1978, 1979, I rode my bicycle up here a few times. It was during

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that time as an undergraduate that I helped organize a conference called LSD a Generation Later,

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and we brought Albert Hoffman to discover the LSD up here.

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Hoffman gave a talk about his discovery that night, and there was actually 5,000 people hovering around.

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It was an amazing event.

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Now, today marks the 50th anniversary of the day that LSD was discovered.

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LSD was discovered in the middle of World War II.

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It was almost the same time as the atomic bomb was discovered,

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and it was on exactly the day of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in Poland.

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exactly the day of the Warsaw ghetto uprising in Poland.

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Its discovery represented the uniting of the mystical and shamanic traditions of the ancients with modern technology and made the mystical experience available to large numbers of people for the first time.

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People such as Alexander Shulgin, Timothy Leary, and others have suggested that LSD’s discovery was a natural counterbalance to this discovery of this destructive force of atomic energy.

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And here we could blow ourselves up, and now we have this tool which could tip the psyche the other way.

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could tip the psyche the other way.

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However, it wasn’t until almost,

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actually more than two decades later,

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that LSD was more widely used.

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Earlier on, it was used, of course,

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by the Army and by research.

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And it was in the midst of the 60s,

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actually 25 years after LSD was discovered,

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25 years ago,

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that I took my first LSD trip, had my first LSD experience. And for me, the LSD was discovered 25 years ago, that I took my first LSD trip, had my first LSD experience.

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And for me, the LSD experience was a remarkable spiritual experience,

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and something that guided me in all of the time since that point.

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And although I’ve done many other things since then, it’s always stayed with me.

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It was eight years after I first took LSD that I found myself on a bridge on the Rhine River with Dr. Albert Hoffman, as

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he pointed out, the route that he took his bicycle ride from, actually it was a smaller

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building, it wasn’t the huge Sandoz Towers that they have there now, but a small building beside it, who was

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home in the suburbs. He rode his bicycle

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every day. He was

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ahead of his time in the ecological movement.

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And

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then

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it was the next year that we

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did this conference, LSD Generation Later.

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It was

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a dream of mine, in putting that conference

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together, to bring together all of the diverse

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figures in the

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psychedelic world

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many of them staking out their own claims

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of fame and

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writing books and so forth but never really

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having got together for a decade

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since that time

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there’s been a number of conferences

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two years ago many of you might remember that Island Group, which is the group that I represent,

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helped organize the Bridge Conference at Stanford University.

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And that was an amazing event.

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And afterwards, people said to me, well, when are we going to do the next one?

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And I offhandedly remarked, well, it would probably be on the 50th anniversary of the discovery of LSD.

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It was a couple of years away, and I didn’t really want to have to deal with all of the organizational craziness

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that these things push you through, but here we are.

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Here we are together again.

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And with the celebration of LSD’s discovery,

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I also hope to bring together representatives of three of the major organizations that have been working to educate and to promote research in the world of psychedelics, Island Group, MAPS, and the Albert Hoffman Foundation.

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Well, it was a rocky road, all of us working together, but here we are together today on the podium,

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together but here we are to get together today on the podium united to honor the discovery of this catalyst which brought us to the state of consciousness to do all of these things in the

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first place so now i’m happy to introduce my partner in the creations event along with matthew

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bretter who just spoke worked long and hard to get us all here.

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Rick Doblin is the president of the Multiple Disciplinary Association for the Study of Psychedelics,

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which is much more easily referred to as MAPS.

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Now, I’m going to see if I get this right.

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Rick is a Ph.D. student on leave,

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which does allow him to buy a student ticket here, by the way.

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It’s a school of social policy, Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government.

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Rick is a kind of one-man psychedelic lobby,

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and MAPS has been instrumental in the reopening of psychedelic research in the United

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States, and has also helped initiate great psychedelic conferences both in the Soviet

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Union and in Europe. So let’s give him a great round of applause for his efforts. Wow, that might be a nicer introduction than I deserve.

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First off, I’d like to say that this event has been a lot like an LSD trip.

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You’re sailing along thinking you’re doing great, and the next minute, man, you’re down.

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And there’s not much you can do but just go through it.

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And so we’ve come through.

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Now it seems like we’re all here.

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I’d like to just really apologize because I think those of us involved in psychedelics

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can easily be characterized as a bunch of aging hippies, as a bunch of space cases.

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I know I have tendencies in those directions anyway.

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And so I think it’s incumbent upon us to do better than normal, to do better than average, and we have to be extremely precise and

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extremely clear, and we obviously get to do it. So then we just have to be gracious and humble.

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I’d like to thank all of you for putting up that.

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The other thing I have to say is that we’re involved in

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a dialogue with the society

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at large, and we have CNN

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here, we have a lot of media here, we have

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a lot of

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people in an intimate setting,

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and yet we’re speaking to a larger group.

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And I think that part of this dialogue is what Matthew was saying,

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how unjust the circumstances are, how terrible it is for people to be in jail for 10 years.

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But we’re not going to get anywhere with that.

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I think that you only can go so far.

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It’s not going to get anywhere, but you can only go so far by saying,

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this is unjust, this is too costly.

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The other side of the debate is these drugs have incredible value.

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And not only for us, not only for the us, but for the them,

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for those people that are dying of cancer that can use LSD to help them

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deal with their terminal illness in an appropriate circumstance.

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Not only that, but we can deal with drug abuse and drug addiction

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through the use of psychedelics, so that we have a major role to play.

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And I think that I’ve been impressed with actually the media coverage that we’ve got.

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First off, how extensive it is, but secondly, how the focus has been on

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the contribution that we’d like to make to the society,

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not just, you know, let’s go out and have a good time, which there’s absolutely nothing wrong with, which is why I will not stick to saying that the medical use is the only thing.

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We need to legalize it for every conceivable use.

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I can see Mark Kleiman saying, man, I don’t think this guy’s going to be my PhD student for a while.

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Under appropriate set of regulations and conditions,

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taxes, and ways to minimize the harms.

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First of all, I think it’s a good design,

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and I think that to talk about it as just for the medical priesthood

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is totally inappropriate.

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The highest and best use is probably for people’s own spiritual exploration of themselves.

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Strategically, it’s absolutely essential that we focus on medical use and that we focus on problems of drug addiction,

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that we focus on terminal illness, that we focus on AIDS.

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And I think that that’s the core, that’s where we have to begin. This is not a quick trip.

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This is like one of those LSD trips that just keeps going on and on and on and on and it’s not going to end soon.

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And I think that that’s alright. I mean we’re involved in major social change, major dwelling of the unconscious, major reorientations, a lot of crisis, a lot of new changes in direction.

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So it’s not a problem that it’s going to take, it’s taken seven years to get permission from the FDA to do work with MDMA.

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And after seven years, it’s going to, we have permission to use one half of a gram.

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One half of a gram.

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And that one half of a gram is distributed between 18 people.

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There’s placebos, there’s glove dust, threshold dust.

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This is $200,000 of preliminary research on animals and on humans

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with spinal taps and all sorts of stuff has been spent.

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But it’s a start.

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So where we’re at is the start of a long, slow journey, a very delicate journey, an incredibly tenuous and fragile situation.

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On the verge of the 50th anniversary, before the publicity that we got for this, there was much more extensive publicity

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about how the high school data is showing that high school students, eighth graders,

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are showing a little bit of a rise in their use of LSD. That was interpreted as a major

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downturn in the war on drugs. An example of this past year of quiet is a mistake and we

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need to go back into the propaganda, back into the harsh penalties that we’re letting

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up. So there’s major force moving now towards making the war on drugs more harsh,

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as if it’s not already harsh enough.

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So it’s extremely fragile.

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And what I’m saying is that in this dialogue,

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unless I have other people have scientific data to debate with, we’re nothing.

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We cannot really move forward.

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So the idea of tonight was to do this as a benefit for LSD research and treatment of substance abuse.

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We’re going to, my goal is at least to get them $5,000 so they can treat a couple patients.

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If we don’t make enough money from that tonight, the TARGAS event will be used towards that,

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Matt’s portion of it, so that I think we’re going to give that a start.

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And it’s all because of you who are willing to come here and put up with all this.

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So I’d just like to say thank you very much.

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We’re going to be working together on a long, strange road, and it’s going to be an exhilarating

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journey.

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Now, I’d like to introduce some of the people that were here before, particularly Oscar

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Janager from the Albert Hoffman Foundation.

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So he’ll speak a little bit about their work. And we have some videotapes,

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two that I think are very calm and respectful

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from Albert Hoffman and Humphrey Osmond.

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And then I just got one yesterday from Ken Kesey

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and Ken Dabbs, which is…

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The first time I saw it, I was like,

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well, I don’t know if I should show it.

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But the second time, I thought,

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I really like this.

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It’s pretty funny.

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So we’re talking about balance here, so that’s going to add some balance.

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I want to bring up Oscar Janger, who’s inspired us all with his work.

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That was a pretty somber note about those young people.

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It’s hard to be joyous about that, and I hope we can all do something about it.

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At least we can try.

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It feels to me like homecoming and I’m glad for the privilege to be among friends.

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It was here in 1978 that after a long silence Peter Stafford and Bruce Eisen decided to have an LSD conference and invited Albert Hoffman to the United States.

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There wasn’t expected to be a very large crowd, but it turned out that there were several thousand people,

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and I can still remember the cordons of police to hear and the loudspeakers set up outside.

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In 1978, that was quite a surprise to us.

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At this point, I’d like to say that one of the sights that I saw

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were young kids with T-shirts,

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and it said, L LSD the second generation.

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It gave me some voice.

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I have expected to see some t-shirts here tonight that said LSD the third generation perhaps.

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But it’s pretty fortunate that people who have worked in psychedelics can keep themselves young, I hope so.

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That shall make up for it.

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When Albert Hoffman returned to the United States in 1988 for the inauguration of the Albert Hoffman Foundation,

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which was a group of people that got together to preserve all the memorabilia,

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the bits and pieces of all the accounts that went on in the 60s,

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the things that never saw the light of day and we hoped wouldn’t perish and we could hand it down to the people in the future

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who want to be doing research and understand what was going on in this extraordinary time.

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research and understand what was going on in this extraordinary time.

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And we succeeded in collecting an enormous repository of information, and we hope to distribute it on a non-profit, public basis for those people who want to know more about

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this subject.

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It was a surprise to me to find that when I went to the medical library in UCLA, there were just a few tattered

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books on this subject. And I approached the reference librarian and said, where are the

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others? And he said, well, we just can’t keep those books, he said. They just leave us and

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disappear. I’m not imputing the honesty of LSD users, but I’m saying something about their dedication, let’s say.

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And when Albert came here, and he stayed at my home in Santa Monica,

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and we just had a wonderful time.

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One afternoon, a hot afternoon, he suggested that we go up in the mountains for a little hike,

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which we did.

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And we got into the mountains, and it was an exuberant day, and full wildflowers were blooming, and it wasn’t long before the two of us had taken off part of our clothing.

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So we were roaming the hillsides like two aging satyrs, looking at the sky.

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like two aging satyrs looking at the sky. And we were peering out of the bushes at the pass of my hikers.

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Whatever was in their mind, I don’t know whether they were going to find out.

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At this point, we would like to say that we want a dedication for Albert Hoffman.

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He called me and said that he would like me to offer this in place of himself.

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This was a very great honor and i put some of my feelings down that i’d like to share with you people

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it is fortunate indeed that the man of discovery of lsc the most awful effective

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consciousness change that was ever known fell on the shoulders of albert halfman

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fell on the shoulders of Albert Hoffman.

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A wise, sensitive, and prudent man,

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he was quick to realize the magnitude of his invention on that memorable day of April 16, 1943,

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and he could relate its remarkable effects

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to the experiences described by visionaries, madmen, and poets. He has remained steadfast

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throughout the shifting temper of the times in his belief that LSD is an instrument of

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immense significance in the investigation of mental and emotional processes, a periscope of the mind that enables one to look over

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and around walls, a frightening and liberating notion.

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Andre Mauro reminds us that it is the explorer’s duties to break down walls.

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We of ordinary disposition may find some benefit in opening a door or two.

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What is on the other side is it is tempting to say everything,

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all that the power of mind can transect,

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and an uncanny sense of what lies in the vastness beyond.

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Of what use is it to alter our obligatory awareness,

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perhaps to do what no other creature has had the gift to do,

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the extraordinary prospect of plotting a saner course for our evolving consciousness. Thank you.

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50 years is a very young age for a child like SP, which as a pharmaceutical substance, as a substance will never die.

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How will it develop in the next 50s, the next 100, the next 1000 years, in a many times easy, permanent change we don’t know. We can only based on

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what happened in the first 50 years make certain speculative, hopeful extrapolations for the future. I am called the father of LSD.

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The question arises,

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who is the mother?

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The mother is a feminist

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named Ergot.

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Ergot is called in German Mutterkorn, Mother Corn.

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Here we have the Mother, the Mother Targon.

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She gave birth to several of my pharmaceutical children. The first was Metagen, which is a

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medicament used in obstetrics as an aid in

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childbirth. The second offspring from

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a relation with Mother Er Earth was LSD.

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Whereas Medellín helps in the birth of a faulty child,

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LSD can be helpful in the birth of a despicable child

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hidden in a re- human being.

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Whereas, the metagene is effective in the material world. LSD is effective in the spiritual world.

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And such a connection cannot be

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accidental. Certain higher

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authorities must be behind who

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told that our time

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details not only on the material but also on the spiritual level and therefore ordered LSD to be formed.

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authority who, after I had synthesized lyrosic acid, diastereotimide, already in 1938, spoke to my inner ear to repeat the synthesis in 1943, which then resulted in the discovery of the fantastic effects of LSD on the human psyche.

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It was then, some years later in the 50s, that LSD itself attracted the, the magic plant of Mexico into my laboratory for chemical investigation.

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to show its close relationship to this magic flower, to this sacred flower of Mexico, to Chonanacatl, to Olugubi, in order to demonstrate its own character as a sacred thread. And also to show by these ancient Mexican Indian cults

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to give us excellent how to make a wise sacramental use of LSD and similar psychedelics. There are people and as you know not a few who think

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that a psychic experience which is evoked by a substance cannot be a spiritual one cannot be a true mystical experience. These people are not yet conscious

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of the unity of the spiritual and the material world. And these people are those who treat nature as dead matter, existing only to be exploited.

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They did not yet comprehend that the material universe is the big transmitter by which the Creator sends His message to His creatures,

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to human beings who can receive and conceive it.

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All those who ever have been spiritual awakened I do know that the creation is the first-hand revelation, the manifestation of the spiritual world.

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Dogmas, texts written by human beings, can in our time no more be the basis, the source of our face. We must see with our own eyes, feel with all our senses, in its eternal here and now.

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Only if we have experienced ourselves in the divine mystery of existence,

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only then can we understand the truth of the message which the prophets, the saints, the mystics have transmitted to us.

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Therefore, every need, every path which helps us to evoke our own personal mystic experience is of highest spiritual value and should be available to You, my dear friends, I and millions all over the world who now commemorate the 50th birthday of Ergot’s child,

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testify strengthfully that we got later on the day to what was first said is the end

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and the certain purpose of human life, enlightenment,

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spirit equationient love. And in all these joyful testimonies of invaluable help by LSD should be enough to convince the health of the Soviet Union finally of the nonsense of prohibition of LSD and of similar psychedelics.

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Dear friends, I am happy to be with you, not only on the screen, but with my thoughts,

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with my heart and with all my life.

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Welcome to the 50th anniversary of Albert Hoffman’s miraculous bicycle ride, which led to his discovery of the extraordinary properties of LSD.

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LSD and that

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it was almost equally miraculous

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that this should have occurred to someone

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like Albert who was sufficiently

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intelligent and sufficiently

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detached, sufficiently

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courageous and imaginative

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to realize what

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he had found because

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many people having had this

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extraordinary experience would have

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undoubtedly gone away and tried to forget it as quickly as possible.

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And so this is a special day for you all to contemplate because unfortunately over the years people have in fact tried to

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forget it and it isn’t really very forgettable.

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Some years later we’re starting what we hope to become, studies with Neskrim,

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we have to find some suitable words for this.

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And he suggested that very beautiful word,

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phanerothion.

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He sent me a little note

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to make this mundane world sublime,

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take half a gram of phanerothion.

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I thought that phancolithine.

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I thought that phancolithine was a beautiful but probably incomprehensible word,

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and I tried to find an easier one, and I came up with this.

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To fall in hell or so angelic, you’ll need a pinch of psychedelic.

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And this was how a psychedelic mind manifested,

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you’re a neutral word, how it came out.

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Now, psychedelics, we found fairly quickly,

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had great benefits to people in certain conditions,

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particularly those suffering from alcohol addiction, who require, as most of us probably do, but maybe even more, there’s an opportunity to consider what’s been happening to them and to see its many possibilities.

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many possibilities. Now, obviously, how to use this becomes a major issue, Ford again, but would in future only buy a Chevy.

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I think he stuck to this, but he felt that the foundation involved wasn’t expensive, we could get people to do it, and unfortunately it failed.

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and unfortunately it failed. So 50 years later,

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you are in a sense still confronting

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the difficulties that arose from trying to

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storm up the heights

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without finding out what one was doing.

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In other words, undertaking badly planned

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mountainous expeditions. As usual happens with badly planned expeditions, they fail.

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And, uh, so I hope that in your, uh, rides, which I believe you are going to be taking around San Francisco,

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that you will think about this and find some way to, uh, um, not as I’m afraid happened happened and has happened in the past,

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to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory,

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but snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

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And so who wishes to do anything

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and do all you can to forward the cause that

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Albert took up so bravely, in which

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he has always fully understood

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its many implications.

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And there are many more still to be

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understood. So,

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good luck to you all.

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That’s that.

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Thank you. That was a tape of, the last tape was Humphrey Osmond.

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The last tape was Humphrey Osmond.

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Now I’d like to introduce a man I met 17 years ago at the LSD Generation Later Conference.

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John Beresford is a medical doctor who immigrated from England.

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He became a U.S. citizen. He started an organization called the Agora Scientific

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Trust, which was an LSD resource organization in New York City. He’s probably best known

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in history, psychedelic world, for having gone and seen Dr. Hoffman back in 1960 and gotten a gram of LSD.

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I can’t remember the lot number now,

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but Peter Stafford wrote a book called The Magic Gram.

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It was a gram that turned on many people,

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including Tim Leary and The Beatles.

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But that in seven years,

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an event would take place

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which would change the history of the world.

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She didn’t know what it meant,

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and it came to us quite a surprise when she met Hoffman

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and she met the other individuals involved

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and realized that what she had seen and heard in the vision was actually

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coming true. I haven’t thought of that memory for quite a while. Well, as Bruce said I was involved in some experimental work

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with LSD in the early 1960s

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and it seemed to me that

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a very important opportunity

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had arisen in that

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here was a substance

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a physical substance which had the

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extraordinary potential of altering something

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that wasn’t substantial, something that for want of a better word is called consciousness.

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And I kind of took it upon myself to do what I could, do what could be done to check into this thing in a methodical and, as I hoped,

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scientific fashion. And that was the origin of this organization that we called the Agro-Scientific

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Trust that involved people like Michael Huggins and Gene Kuston, and which actually originated before Tim Leary began his work in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

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Okay, I wanted to correct Bruce on one matter.

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I didn’t go to Albert to get the one grand LSD.

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It was sent to me in the mail.

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All you had to do in those days was write off for it and you’d get it.

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So when I decided it was a good idea, and that someone had to do it, someone had to

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undertake this work, I was in a position to type out the necessary letter of request to

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Sandoz, who was just across, I was in Manhattan at the time.

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And there was no particular problem, they just sent a gram in the mail

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and I said, good luck.

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A gram, a gram of LSD, it was an extraordinary thing. It came in a brown tube about three

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inches long. And actually I’m wrong, it was two half gram tubes.

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And as Bruce indicated,

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those one gram had quite an adventurous history

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and traveled to different parts of the world.

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Well, I’m not actually here to reminisce today.

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I wanted to

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not actually here to reminisce today. I wanted to

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again

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reflect on the

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extraordinary

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coincidence that took place

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in 1943,

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just a hundred

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days after the activation of the

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atomic pile in

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Fermi’s lab in Chicago,

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in that squash cork underneath the football

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field, where the first atomic

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pile was built slowly, brick by

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brick, after Pearl Harbor.

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It took

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12 months, and on the 2nd of

00:49:55 ►

December 1942, it became

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active. And

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Leo Szilard, who was one of the

00:50:01 ►

elite physicists who took

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part in this experimental work.

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The

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Acante Red Wine was passed

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around in paper cuts, and they gave a cheer

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when the thing went active.

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And Szilard turned

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to Fermi and said,

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this will go down as a black day

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in the history of mankind.

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It was just

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about that time, apparently,

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that Albert Hofton

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had this little thought

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tweaking in his mind,

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which led,

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a hundred days later,

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to the reactivation

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of his own critical experiment.

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And that’s when

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that piece of corrective history

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took place.

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Well, when I heard from Rick Doblin

00:50:49 ►

that we were going to be meeting today

00:50:51 ►

to celebrate this great occasion,

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I thought,

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there has to be something more than celebrating.

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There’s going to be something missing

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if what we’re doing is engaging in

00:51:08 ►

an act of self-congratulation or telling each other stories because of the people who are

00:51:17 ►

suffering the effects of the, I told Sigrid the other day, the thought that came to me

00:51:24 ►

in the car as I was driving to the airport in Toronto thought that came to me in the car

00:51:25 ►

as I was driving to the airport in Toronto

00:51:26 ►

the cold war is over but the old

00:51:29 ►

war still goes on

00:51:30 ►

because the old war is

00:51:32 ►

currently manifested in the war

00:51:35 ►

war on drugs

00:51:36 ►

war on innovation

00:51:38 ►

the war on creative thinking

00:51:40 ►

the war on leading edge

00:51:42 ►

ideation

00:51:43 ►

the war on adventurous thinking theation, the war on adventurous thinking, the war of

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the old against the new. And I did decide to come. I really wanted to come all the time,

00:51:58 ►

but I didn’t get the push to come until I remembered what was happening to the prisoners,

00:52:06 ►

LSD prisoners in jail.

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A year before then, sometime last year, I replied to an ad in High Times magazine

00:52:13 ►

from a guy called Brian Adams.

00:52:17 ►

He wrote this ad. Some of you may have seen it.

00:52:19 ►

I don’t know how many subscribers to High Times magazine there are here.

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Wow, quite a few.

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And so here is this little ad

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in the personal column.

00:52:30 ►

It said I’m 19 years old.

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I’ve been sentenced 10 years in prison

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for possession of LSD.

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The problem is the carrier weight provision.

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And anyone who wants to learn more about it,

00:52:42 ►

please write to me.

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He gave his box number, prison box number, his ID number, and that’s how I wrote.

00:52:50 ►

And I got a letter back, and from this, a little correspondence started to generate itself.

00:52:56 ►

And I found myself writing to quite a number of prisoners in United States prisons,

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in state prisons and in federal prisons,

00:53:06 ►

in United States prisons, in state prisons, and in federal prisons, and I heard some very shocking stories.

00:53:11 ►

Stories of barbarity, of gross illegal actions on the part of the Drug Enforcement Administration,

00:53:21 ►

which I want to tell you one or two things about.

00:53:22 ►

Anyway, the reason I wanted to come tonight was to reiterate, in fact,

00:53:26 ►

what people like Matthew have said,

00:53:30 ►

which is to bring to your attention

00:53:33 ►

the iniquity of the carry-away provision

00:53:35 ►

as it affects a couple of thousand

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American men and women,

00:53:41 ►

good, decent people,

00:53:43 ►

who are victims of this prosecutory zeal on the part of the

00:53:47 ►

administration, previous administration, that’s all.

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Okay, one of the prisoners that I’ve been corresponding with, her name is Nancy Marks,

00:54:02 ►

she’s given me full permission to quote her.

00:54:02 ►

corresponding with her name is Nancy Marks.

00:54:04 ►

She’s given me full permission to quote her.

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She’s been sentenced to a 24-year term of imprisonment.

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Her husband is in jail for 40 years in a state penitentiary.

00:54:18 ►

He will probably get out sooner than she does because he’s in a state prison and she’s in a federal prison,

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and in a federal prison they don’t give her all.

00:54:25 ►

They have two children, now 11 and 13, who live under questionable circumstances.

00:54:33 ►

And I first got the idea of trying to get some kind of organization together

00:54:37 ►

to help the dependents, the children, of families where both parents have been imprisoned.

00:54:45 ►

of families where both parents have been imprisoned.

00:54:51 ►

And the parents who were imprisoned for LSD charges

00:54:55 ►

seemed to be the most critical situation

00:55:00 ►

that deserved attention. And so I started to try and furiously think of how to bring people’s attention to what was happening to those behind bars,

00:55:11 ►

and to bring the voice of the unheard out into the open.

00:55:17 ►

Well, another thing I should mention, I’ll just tell you about Nancy first.

00:55:23 ►

Okay, so here she is. She’s a woman with a degree in education.

00:55:26 ►

She’s in her 30s.

00:55:28 ►

She didn’t tell me her exact age.

00:55:31 ►

Worked 15 years with the handicapped

00:55:34 ►

and was caught with a bunch of LSD.

00:55:39 ►

She was found mailing slips of blotter LSD

00:55:44 ►

to friends or acquaintances, I suppose,

00:55:48 ►

one of whom snitched on her and turned into an informant.

00:55:53 ►

Three mail batches of LSD

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containing in all a total of 1,600 doses,

00:56:01 ►

in other words, 90 milligrams it comes down to,

00:56:04 ►

weighing, I think she said, 16.5 grams of blotting paper.

00:56:10 ►

And she was arrested. Agents of this administration, DEA, stormed into her house, confronted her in her living room with her child, a boy, and said, I guess, seven or eight.

00:56:30 ►

And as the door burst open, she moved to protect him, to shelter him,

00:56:36 ►

and was told by this agent who stuck a gun out at her,

00:56:40 ►

one more step and I’ll kill you.

00:56:44 ►

She’s alone in the room with this child

00:56:45 ►

she’s handcuffed

00:56:47 ►

the child has left all night without supervision

00:56:50 ►

screaming his head off

00:56:52 ►

this is the kind of people we’re dealing with

00:56:54 ►

she went to county jail

00:57:00 ►

for six months

00:57:01 ►

and never saw dark

00:57:04 ►

the light bulb was burning the whole

00:57:06 ►

time for interrogation and God knows what else. She was released on bail eventually,

00:57:12 ►

went back home, and had a curious experience. And I have to qualify this by saying that that Nancy alleges Nancy alleges

00:57:26 ►

that

00:57:26 ►

another informant

00:57:29 ►

of the administration

00:57:31 ►

DEA

00:57:32 ►

was illegally wired

00:57:34 ►

had an illegal wire

00:57:37 ►

attached

00:57:38 ►

without any court permission

00:57:40 ►

and was

00:57:42 ►

this individual was also under indictment, as Nancy was, was told

00:57:48 ►

to befriend her, to chat her up, get her into conversation, and find out what the defense

00:57:55 ►

strategy was going to be in her forthcoming trial.

00:57:58 ►

This was admitted openly in court, Nancy alleges, and the prosecutor said, well, we knew it was illegal, but we went

00:58:06 ►

ahead and did it anyway, implying it’s just a drug case. Who cares? Nancy received her

00:58:14 ►

sentence of 24 years on account of the weight of the blotter paper. LSD alone, the weight

00:58:22 ►

of the LSD alone brought her, I think, two and a half years, three years,

00:58:26 ►

multiplied by a factor of ten, which you have to do if you’re taking the carrier weight of the lotto paper into consideration,

00:58:33 ►

and you build it up to 24 years.

00:58:35 ►

So, at the time of her sentencing, she makes a request.

00:58:41 ►

she makes a request. She says, do you think I could serve my term,

00:58:46 ►

my jail term in California,

00:58:50 ►

in that women’s prison at Pleasanton,

00:58:53 ►

about 50 miles to the northeast of here?

00:58:56 ►

Do you think I could serve my term there?

00:58:58 ►

And the prosecutor objected.

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He said, oh no, that would be far too lenient a punishment for a person of her criminal background. She should go to Lexington, Kentucky. It would be quite wrong for her to have access to her kids.

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Yeah, this is true. Nancy alleges it’s true. And so there she is, she’s stuck. Now, the judge turned this request down, and in fact she is at Pleasanton, between two rows of razor-shaped, razor-sharp barbed wire, as she describes it, with trucks paroling the perimeter with machine guns, night and day. Nancy, I maintain, is one of the best people.

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She sent me her photo, she sent me her bio.

00:59:49 ►

She looks a very nice person.

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She told me that she’s always brought up her two kids, to be honest.

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And now these two children, of course, well,

00:59:59 ►

one has to fear for their psychological safety.

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When you think of what must go on in the mind of an eight or nine year old

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to see his mother threatened with death

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by a guy pointing a gun at her.

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Yeah.

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Well, so there’s more to the story

01:00:20 ►

and there’s no reason for me to elaborate

01:00:23 ►

on it tonight, but the question is what are we

01:00:26 ►

going to do about it

01:00:26 ►

another of the prisoners

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I’ve been corresponding with, Tim Dean

01:00:32 ►

was

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part of the appeal, his case

01:00:36 ►

was part of the appeal to the Supreme Court

01:00:38 ►

it was a 1991 appeal to the

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Supreme Court

01:00:40 ►

on the legality of this

01:00:43 ►

carry away provision and Tim Dean appended his own

01:00:47 ►

appeal to the Chapman appeal, which was the primary case that was heard by

01:00:51 ►

the Supreme Court. It was turned down by

01:00:55 ►

seven of the nine justices, with dissenting

01:00:59 ►

votes by Justices Stevens and Marshall.

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And the two dissenting judges

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observed that the carry-away provision is irrational and cruel, arbitrary, and furthermore,

01:01:19 ►

and I think this is the most important point, was never intended by Congress. Congress apparently didn’t know what they were getting into when they passed the measure which permitted the prosecution

01:01:31 ►

and sentencing of individuals on the basis of the weight of the blotter paper, which,

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as I’ve mentioned, exceeds by a factor of many, many times the weight of the LSD and

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gets people sentences of 20, 30, 40

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euros. You can go

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to a Grateful Dead concert with a strawberry.

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Am I running out of time?

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Sorry. Okay, I’ll wrap it up.

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The thing is, I went to the Sentencing

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Commission hearing

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in Washington on March

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22nd when I spoke to the

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panel of eminent

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jurists.

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I think we received sympathetic hearing.

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I was by no means the only person speaking.

01:02:10 ►

Two-thirds of the cases,

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two-thirds of the people presenting at that hearing

01:02:15 ►

were speaking on drug matters,

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and two-thirds of the drug cases were LSD cases.

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So I think it really came to the attention of the Sentencing Commission,

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and I was told that the chairman of the commission,

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a very gracious gentleman by the name of Mr. William Wilkins,

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had personally spoken to the U.S. defenders

01:02:37 ►

and told them that he was putting his weight behind

01:02:41 ►

the move to repeal the carrier weight provision

01:02:44 ►

and would do everything that he could to see that Congress followed the same approach.

01:02:54 ►

So I guess that’s about it. Well, obviously there are many different sides to the psychedelic story.

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There are, of course, the sad stories that Dr. Beresford told,

01:03:23 ►

and there’s also the very beautiful stories that we’re going to also hear tonight.

01:03:29 ►

Now, it gives me great pleasure to introduce our next two guests,

01:03:38 ►

because for those of you, I imagine some of you know, I started a group about three years ago called the Island Group.

01:03:46 ►

Island Group was named after a novel by Otis Huxley.

01:03:54 ►

Huxley felt that he had wrapped up all of his ideas into this novel about how he would like to see society work and

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Island Group has started to carry on that vision

01:04:08 ►

just a little plug

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for those of you who are interested

01:04:11 ►

we do have a booth outside

01:04:14 ►

and newsletters

01:04:14 ►

but in any event

01:04:18 ►

I would like to introduce

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our next two guests

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Laura Huxley

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and Francis Huxley,

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who will be reading from a book called This Timeless Moment.

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Laura Huxley, of course, is the wife of the late Otis Huxley.

01:04:39 ►

And Francis describes himself as an anthropologist, an ethno-psychiatrist, and a colleague and

01:04:47 ►

friend of R.D. Lang, and also, of course, the nephew of Otis Huxley. So it gives me

01:04:53 ►

great pleasure to introduce this reading by the two of them.

01:05:13 ►

Thank you very much for the introduction and for the invitation.

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And I want to tell you why I wrote this book.

01:05:22 ►

There is only about two or three chapters dedicated to Elisir. But after Olus died, I received so many letters, so incorrect, so ridiculous, so really enraging about his connection with Elisir.

01:05:37 ►

And so did I, and I thought I’d put down a few facts. So whatever there is in this book is totally factual. And this particular chapter

01:05:49 ►

that we read is called Love and Work. It is a description of a psychometric session that

01:06:00 ►

was very different from what we did because it was a very short one.

01:06:05 ►

It was four grams of psilocybin.

01:06:09 ►

And it did not last all day.

01:06:12 ►

Usually we took three days for a psychedelic session.

01:06:16 ►

First, I did it the day before, the day of the session,

01:06:18 ►

and it already did.

01:06:20 ►

This one was short, and it was in my studio where I practiced.

01:06:24 ►

And it was quite different from the other ones.

01:06:30 ►

Because after all those two, this theracide, very quickly something happened.

01:06:37 ►

We thought that it would happen because it was such a short, such a small, small dosage.

01:06:42 ►

But he began to sort of walk up and down the corridor, which usually, as

01:06:48 ►

you well know, when you take psilocybin or LSD, usually when it’s quiet and usually we

01:06:54 ►

heard music and so on. Instead, in this case, he began to walk up and down in a sort of disturbed way, like it was something that was not happening right.

01:07:11 ►

And I wanted to see him and I tried to hear what he was saying.

01:07:15 ►

What he was saying was confusion, confusion.

01:07:19 ►

Well, this was totally different from the other times. So we had music, of course, probably we had the Bach musical offering.

01:07:31 ►

Then after a while, quite suddenly, he sat down and said, everything is alright now.

01:07:38 ►

But what happened also, the extraordinary thing that happened, is that I did not know, I mean, I forgot that we had a tape recorder going.

01:07:47 ►

It’s only after several weeks after I said, I found this tape recording of this session, because it was very extraordinary,

01:07:55 ►

very moving to find. And so what we are reading is a recorded session of that day.

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So we just sat down, huh?

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Yeah, we just sat down and the older says something there.

01:08:17 ►

Then he says,

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you see, this is,

01:08:20 ►

I was thinking of one of your titles.

01:08:23 ►

This is one of the ways of trying to make ice cubes out of running water, isn’t it?

01:08:29 ►

To fix something and try to keep it.

01:08:32 ►

Of course, it is always wrong.

01:08:35 ►

Well, I thought that he meant that it was wrong to record such an extraordinary screen.

01:08:40 ►

So he said, well, let’s stop the recording.

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No, no, I don’t mean that. I mean the pure light is the greatest ice cube of all, the

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ultimate ice cube.

01:08:54 ►

He was, all this was referring to one of my recipes from Libin and Darwin, which had required a lot of rewriting. And the title of the recipe is

01:09:06 ►

Don’t Try to Make Ice Cube Out of a Flowing River.

01:09:13 ►

And the concept is that our organism is so often continuously,

01:09:17 ►

the organism is always changing,

01:09:19 ►

but we are trying to freeze certain things,

01:09:22 ►

and it is like freezing a flowing river.

01:09:27 ►

So that this ice cube in a flowing river was a sort of current phrase in those days for us.

01:09:35 ►

The pure light. This is the greatest ice cube of all. It’s the ultimate ice cube.

01:09:42 ►

The pure light.

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That’s the ultimate ice cube, the pure light. You spoke a great deal about pure light, and in the island he describes it as the knowledge-less understanding, luminous bliss.

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So I said that. So you thought that you were going to invent it?

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Well now, I can if I want to. But I mean it is very good to realize that it is just the, so to say, the mirror image of this other thing.

01:10:12 ►

It is just this total distraction. I mean, if you can immobilize the total distraction long enough, then it becomes the pure, one-pointed distraction, pure light.

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But you mean, if you can immobilize, what do you mean?

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You can immobilize it, but it isn’t the real thing.

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You can remain for eternity in this thing at the exclusion of love and work.

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Yes, but the thing should be love and work.

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Exactly. I mean, this is why it is wrong. work. Yes, but the thing should be love and work.

01:10:45 ►

Exactly. I mean, this is why it is wrong. As I was saying, this illustrates that you

01:10:50 ►

mustn’t make ice cubes out of a flowing river. You may succeed in making ice cubes. This

01:10:57 ►

is the greatest ice cube in the world, but you can probably go on for, oh, you can’t go on forever, but for enormous eons, for what appears to be eternity, being in the light.

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In these later years, there was more and more emphasis

01:11:16 ►

and the danger of being addicted to meditation only,

01:11:21 ►

to knowledge only, to wisdom only, without love.

01:11:28 ►

And just now we had experienced temptation to an addiction of even higher order,

01:11:34 ►

the addiction of being in delight and staying there.

01:11:39 ►

Now, if I can, if I want to, well, that is really, it perfectly expresses another word, too,

01:11:47 ►

in a powerful slang that says, drop it out.

01:11:52 ►

It completely ignores the facts.

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It is majeurement, and finally, of course, absolutely catastrophic.

01:12:02 ►

Yes, exactly.

01:12:04 ►

Absolutely catastrophic. Yes, exactly. Absolutely catastrophic.

01:12:06 ►

Those two words are said with the most earnest and profound conviction.

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The voice is not raised, but each letter is as if sculptured,

01:12:17 ►

and a shiny block of carara marble.

01:12:21 ►

And it remains sculptured and the soul of anyone who hears it

01:12:26 ►

is a definite statement.

01:12:29 ►

There is

01:12:30 ►

no private salvation.

01:12:34 ►

I don’t know how

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you got all these things, darling.

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What came into this hard,

01:12:40 ►

hard skull of yours?

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How did all these extraordinary

01:12:44 ►

ideas come in? Well, at least this hard, hard skull of yours, how do all these extraordinary ideas

01:12:45 ►

come in?

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Well, at least this one of the ice cubes,

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I remember very well.

01:12:51 ►

I was giving any deal to this friend

01:12:53 ►

of ours, and I had this

01:12:55 ►

feeling, I just was practically

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seeing

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a toilet of water, you know, a river.

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And he was trying to

01:13:03 ►

make such a magical so that he was trying to make such an imaginable

01:13:05 ►

so that he would ensure

01:13:08 ►

that all these people denied it.

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Ah, of course they lied.

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And I had the impression

01:13:14 ►

that he was rationalizing

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water, or even trying to

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freeze a piece of this flowing river

01:13:20 ►

and make ice cubes

01:13:22 ►

out of it.

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But you have so many ideas and obviously this terribly mild spell has wholly been

01:13:30 ►

somber. It is certainly very remarkable.

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Notice, I don’t remember if I told you, or I dreamed that I told you, or did I tell you, of that phrase

01:13:46 ►

running in my head these days, I am a thousand people.

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No, you didn’t tell me.

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Yes, but that also doesn’t make anything easy.

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No, obviously. And when there is no anchorage anywhere, when to come back to after death,

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I mean, there will be no anchorage.

01:14:05 ►

Oh, I see. But is that what you were just feeling? Why?

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Yes, just a line of girl up and down, up and down, up and down.

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In a very strange place.

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Yes. So, when there will be a thousand people rushing in different directions, I mean, anyhow,

01:14:28 ►

a thousand people rushing in different directions, and in any hour, your hair smells the same as Acacia’s. Your head is very solid. Because the point is, when there is a feeling like

01:14:37 ►

this, like this, like this, like this, yes, yes, yes, it’s kind of one body that you feel and touch,

01:14:45 ►

and when you have this perception and feeling,

01:14:49 ►

there’s nothing to…

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There’s nothing to go on.

01:14:53 ►

There are a thousand different people

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going in a thousand different directions,

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and this is what you have a hint of now.

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And this, of course, is what is so terrible.

01:15:04 ►

But I think that I know, but

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I know that there will always be, and I mean this is the extraordinary experience, at least

01:15:13 ►

there is somebody there who knows there are a thousand other people going in different

01:15:19 ►

directions. That there is a fundamental sanity of the world which is always there in spite of the

01:15:27 ►

thousand people going in a thousand different directions. And while we are in space and

01:15:34 ►

time surrounded by gravity, we are controlled to a considerable extent. But to have an insight into what it is when there isn’t any control

01:15:46 ►

except this fundamental knowledge

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I mean, this is where the bardo is right

01:15:53 ►

The bardo, always referring to the

01:15:56 ►

the embedded book of the dead

01:15:58 ►

or the after death experience and the bardo queen

01:16:02 ►

I first heard of this book from Olbus

01:16:04 ►

a few days after Maria, his wife, died and the experience and the part of me. I had first heard of this book from Olbus

01:16:05 ►

a few days after Maria, his wife, died.

01:16:09 ►

We went to a phone walk in the canyon

01:16:13 ►

and I had many questions in my mind

01:16:16 ►

and he answered the questions I was asking.

01:16:20 ►

He said that for the last few hours of her life

01:16:23 ►

he had spoken to her, encouraging her to go forward

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as in the Bible.

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So what is that, I ask?

01:16:32 ►

He told me about it, of the intermediate plane

01:16:36 ►

following bodily death, as in the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

01:16:42 ►

And the saying there, it’s very beautiful actually,

01:16:46 ►

very, very good, because to a person who is dying,

01:16:50 ►

the people around say, oh, no more,

01:16:55 ►

go forward, go towards the light.

01:16:59 ►

That is a beautiful way of knowing.

01:17:03 ►

I think it should be used for people who are born, or nobly born.

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Nobly born.

01:17:08 ►

Yes, that would be a good salutation for a newborn.

01:17:12 ►

Nobly living, nobly waking up in the morning and going to sleep at night.

01:17:17 ►

And of course, as graceful formulas.

01:17:20 ►

Yes, exactly.

01:17:23 ►

The Buddha is right, you see.

01:17:25 ►

You have to be aware of this thing

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and hang on to it for dear life.

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Otherwise you are just completely in the whirlwind.

01:17:33 ►

Yes, yes, but there are many people who don’t know this.

01:17:37 ►

Exactly.

01:17:38 ►

But this is why they say

01:17:40 ►

we really ought to start preparing for this, for death.

01:17:47 ►

And I must say, I think it is terribly important that through this knowledge that we get through these mushrooms or whatever

01:17:53 ►

it is, that you understand a little bit of what it is all about. I think the most extraordinary

01:17:59 ►

experience is to know that there is all this insanity which is just the multiplication,

01:18:07 ►

the caricature of normal insanity that goes on, but that there is a fundamental sanity

01:18:14 ►

which you can remain one with and be aware of.

01:18:19 ►

This, of course, is the whole doctrine of the Bardo, helping people to be aware of the fundamental sanity

01:18:26 ►

which is there in spite of all the terrifying things, and also not really terrifying but

01:18:33 ►

sometimes ecstatic, wonderful things.

01:18:36 ►

You mustn’t go to heaven, as they continue to say.

01:18:39 ►

You mustn’t go to heaven.

01:18:40 ►

You must not go to heaven.

01:18:41 ►

Why?

01:18:42 ►

It is just as dangerous. It is temporary.

01:18:46 ►

And somehow you want to hold on

01:18:48 ►

to the ultimate truth of things.

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Ultimate truth of things.

01:18:52 ►

Well, I mean

01:18:53 ►

the total light of the world.

01:18:56 ►

I suppose which isn’t the here and now

01:18:58 ►

we experience.

01:19:00 ►

It’s of course the mind body.

01:19:02 ►

But when you are released from the body

01:19:04 ►

there has to be some are released from the body,

01:19:08 ►

there has to be some experimental equivalent of the body.

01:19:12 ►

Something has to be held on to. I don’t know.

01:19:16 ►

What does one hold on to then?

01:19:20 ►

All you can say is one holds to this fundamental sanity,

01:19:25 ►

which, as I say, is guaranteed as long as one is in the body by the fact of space, time, gravity,

01:19:29 ►

the three dimensions and all the rest of it.

01:19:31 ►

Somehow when you get rid of those chemicals…

01:19:35 ►

Then there is always a phantasmagoric

01:19:38 ►

possible illusion in the world.

01:19:40 ►

The illusion of the hell and heaven.

01:19:43 ►

That’s why they say always pay attention,

01:19:46 ►

be attentive.

01:19:47 ►

And in Ireland,

01:19:47 ►

you know,

01:19:48 ►

the first word

01:19:49 ►

in Ireland

01:19:49 ►

is attention.

01:19:51 ►

The last word…

01:19:52 ►

The final word.

01:19:53 ►

Attention,

01:19:54 ►

attention,

01:19:55 ►

attention,

01:19:55 ►

attention,

01:19:56 ►

attention.

01:19:58 ►

That’s the last word

01:19:59 ►

too.

01:20:00 ►

Yes,

01:20:00 ►

the last word

01:20:01 ►

certainly.

01:20:02 ►

You haven’t been

01:20:03 ►

paying attention?

01:20:04 ►

That’s right.

01:20:06 ►

But there isn’t a prevalent of some kind which has to be caught hold of.

01:20:10 ►

Otherwise, the world about you is thin and becomes, what’s the word,

01:20:15 ►

pretus, the world of the restless ghosts.

01:20:18 ►

One goes to hell and then in desperation one has to rush back and get another body.

01:20:23 ►

To hold on.

01:20:24 ►

Ah, to hold on again.

01:20:26 ►

Well, this obviously

01:20:28 ►

is the best thing if one hasn’t got

01:20:29 ►

the ultimate best.

01:20:32 ►

But clearly, they all have said

01:20:33 ►

that there is something

01:20:35 ►

which is the equivalent,

01:20:38 ►

again, in this extraordinary

01:20:39 ►

doctrine of Christianity,

01:20:41 ►

the resurrection of the body.

01:20:43 ►

And ultimately, mortality will have something

01:20:46 ►

like the body attached to it. I don’t know what it means, but obviously one can’t attach

01:20:52 ►

any ordinary meaning to it, but one sees exactly what they are after. Some idea that somehow

01:20:59 ►

we have to get an equivalent on our high level of this anchorage which space and time and gravitation give us,

01:21:08 ►

and which can be achieved.

01:21:10 ►

One has, as I say in this strange experience,

01:21:14 ►

one has the sense that there is this fundamental sanity

01:21:17 ►

in spite of all the distraction and preposterous nonsense

01:21:22 ►

which is going on,

01:21:28 ►

and which is irrelevant to oneself, which has nothing to do in a strange way,

01:21:31 ►

although it may seem very, very important.

01:21:35 ►

Well, we feel it’s very, very important.

01:21:39 ►

Yes.

01:21:40 ►

It is very important, if one can,

01:21:43 ►

why it is happening,

01:21:44 ►

if one can see the outer appearance of it.

01:21:48 ►

It is obviously important to look after one’s affairs in a sensible way and see their importance,

01:21:55 ►

in a silly way perhaps, but if one can, to all this, see this other level of importance,

01:22:01 ►

in the light of which a lot of activities will have to be cut down.

01:22:06 ►

There will seem to be absolutely no point in undertaking them, although a great many

01:22:12 ►

have to be undertaken, but they will be undertaken in a new kind of a way, with a kind of detachment,

01:22:19 ►

and yet with the doing things towards limit.

01:22:22 ►

with the doing things towards limit.

01:22:26 ►

This, again, is one of the paradoxes.

01:22:30 ►

To work to the limit to succeed in what you are doing and at the same time to be detached from it.

01:22:34 ►

If you don’t succeed, well, that’s too bad.

01:22:37 ►

If you do succeed, tant mieux.

01:22:40 ►

You don’t have to clench over it.

01:22:42 ►

This is the whole story of the Bhagavad Gita.

01:22:45 ►

Somehow to do everything with passion, but with detachment.

01:22:51 ►

Passion and detachment.

01:22:53 ►

Passion and detachment.

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Years ago, before I ever heard of this philosophy,

01:23:00 ►

with what passion I have longed for detachment.

01:23:06 ►

What detachment if you want the passion? With what passion I have longed for an attachment. And with what attachment she longs for passion.

01:23:11 ►

Of course, one always wants to be.

01:23:15 ►

In the Bhagavad-gita the hero, Juna, is a great warrior and he is told by Krishna that he must fight with all his strength and valor and yet he must be detached from the fight.

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Don’t kill him.

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We don’t.

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You did it, don’t you?

01:23:38 ►

Don’t get attached to the fruit of your actions.

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Yes, sir.

01:23:41 ►

One can see what it is.

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He is not involved, even though

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he is involved up to the minute.

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What part of him is not involved?

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But it’s no good trying

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to make an analysis here.

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As usual, it is the paradox

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and the mystery.

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Yes, but even if…

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One begins to understand it, that that is

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the main problem.

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Hmm. My nose is running.

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A very good reminder that the greatest philosophy is connected

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inexplicably with running noses.

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One of the things they should have talked about in the Gospels.

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Obviously, he was on a mountain, the Sermon of the Mount.

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It must have been very cheesy and killed up there.

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Probably his nose did run.

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There is no iconoclastic intention in the voice, you know.

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It’s only a chuckling and a reaffirmation of all this conviction.

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Everything is connected with everything else

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and that we should not forget

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that no matter

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on what high plane

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of spirituality we dwell

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we are still bound

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by the nose of nature

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and running nose

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and I am sure that Aulus also realized

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at the moment that he has been

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speaking very seriously

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and gravely. So it

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was natural for him, thanks heaven, to lighten gladly always with charm and humor. So I said

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that, Lord, but it is very difficult. How does one prepare for death? I mean, all of

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it, this seems to me to make sense.

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I think that the only way one can prepare for death…

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You realize that, well, after all, all your psychotherapy is in a sense a preparation for death,

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inasmuch as you die to these menageries which are allowed to haunt you as though they were in the present.

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They’re dead, really had buried their dead.

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Obviously the completely healthy way to live is sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

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You accept this without being obsessed by what is in the past. You die to it. Preparation

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for ultimate death is to be aware that your highest and most

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intense form of life is accompanied by and conditional upon a series of small deaths

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all the time. We have to be dying to these obsessive memories. I mean, again, the paradox

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is to be able to remember with extreme clarity, but not to be haunted.

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But even without the memories, there is this composite figure that we are, the composition

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of so many characters, and if they don’t have something to meet on a common ground,

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which is the body, where do they meet?

01:26:42 ►

Well, they have to meet, I suppose,

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in some, what is called, quote,

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the spirit, as we normally,

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on this unconscious, subconscious level,

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as we meet normally

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on this unconscious, subconscious level.

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And then they also meet

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on the superconscious level,

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which, of course,

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completely contains the unconscious.

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And this would be certainly

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the teaching of the Bardo’s,

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these thousand vigors.

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They can either meet

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in the wrong way,

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to the point of distraction,

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through the ice cube, or they can meet

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through the recognition of the ultimate

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of the spirit on that level.

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That’s what I also was saying in the beginning.

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Either there is a meeting in confusions of thoughts and emotions burning around,

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or there is a meeting in awareness of the fundamental sanity of the world

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that is so often mentioned.

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And this is why they all say you have to work rather hard

01:27:47 ►

and try and realize this fact.

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And one of the ways of realizing it is,

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after all, in that little zen flesh, zen home,

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for reps, you know,

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preparation is through these exercises in consciousness.

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This sort of leads on to the third layer of consciousness.

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But then in between the two extremes,

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there’s so much living.

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There are too many ways of going wrong.

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I mean, the best intentioned people go wrong.

01:28:21 ►

August, would you like to have some soup?

01:28:27 ►

Yes, that would be nice.

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All right, thank you.

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And that is where tape 1 of 3 ended.

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I haven’t digitized tape 2 yet, but I’ll get to it soon, I promise.

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Unfortunately, tape three didn’t appear, so it may be lost. But at least we have this interesting

01:28:52 ►

historical record of how psychedelic conferences have evolved over the years. And if I keep my

01:28:58 ►

energy level up, then the rest of these old recordings are also going to make their way to

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you. Until then, keep the old faith and stay high.

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Namaste, my friends.

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