Program Notes
Guest speaker: Dr. Timothy Leary
[NOTE: All quotations below are by Dr. Timothy Leary.]
“The key thing about the human species is this: That we have not committed ourselves to an over-specialized adult form.”
“The more power you give to the young of your species, the sooner you give that power to them, the faster your species is going to grow, the farther your gene pool is going to move into the future, and of course it goes without saying, the key to everything, the more growth in the individual will result.”
“The future belongs to those who see the future.”
“The smarter you are, the higher you want to be, that’s obvious.”
“The key to the sixties, as we see it now, was a period of self-discovery, of self-indulgence, and the refusal to accept the adult-hive over-specialized models.”
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Transcript
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Greetings from cyberdelic space.
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This is Lorenzo and I’m your host here in the psychedelic salon.
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So, how are you doing today?
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If you’re in the Northern Hemisphere, you’re probably gearing up for summer.
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And if you live in the Southern Hemisphere, well, I guess you’re laying in wood for the winter.
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And if you’re on the equator, well, you’re probably too hot to do too much of anything.
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But no matter where you are on this interesting little planet, I hope that life is treating you well.
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And someone who is treating the psychedelic salon very well is Albert C., who very kindly sent in a donation this week.
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And thank you very much, Albert.
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And I also want to thank all of you who have been participating in our online forums,
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both at our salon blog and over on our forum at thegrowreport.com. And I also want to thank all of you who have been participating in our online forums,
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both at our salon blog and over on our forum at thegrowreport.com.
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Now over there, Little Elf, Victoria Pandora, Max Freakout, and Llama 2 have all posted a whole range of interesting thoughts.
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And Sancho23 has done a great job of starting and contributing to some very interesting threads and providing some great links.
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One of the threads that Sancho started has really grown and is one about books that some of our fellow salonners have found to be of interest.
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Hopefully, somebody will compile that list in a linked format and post it on our psychedelicsalon.org blog.
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But until then, you might want to take a look at some of the recommendations they’ve made.
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And while I’ve read some of the recommended books,
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there are quite a few that I haven’t heard about before,
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and now I look forward to reading.
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And thank you, a dime short, for recommending my last book,
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The Spirit of the Internet.
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As you know, you can read it online over at matrixmasters.com, and this summer
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I’m going to set aside a little time to compile it in PDF format and post it online for you to
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download for free. And I don’t want you to think that all of the recommendations are too deep for
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relaxing reading. For example, Lars133 recommended one of my very favorite books, and I’ll bet most of our
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fellow Saloners have read and re-read it many times. It’s Dr. Seuss’s wonderful story, Green
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Eggs and Ham, which is also one of the great stoner books of all time, I think. But before I
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slip back into my grandfather mode and read Dr. Seuss to you, I’d better get on with today’s program, which is a talk given by Dr. Timothy Leary.
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And I’m now going through the list of Leary talks in the order they were cataloged before I received them.
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The tape I’m about to play was actually labeled, Live from D.C., October 1990.
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But unless my ears deceive me, this isn’t what was on the tape, because Timothy makes
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some predictions about what he thinks is going to happen in the 1980s, and he also mentions the fact
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that they’re in San Francisco. And on top of that, this appears to be the second half of a radio
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broadcast. Maybe it was the radio program that was live from D.C. ten years later. In any
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event, here we are over 25 years later, and in my humble opinion, the good doctor’s thoughts
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still hold up today. As I just said, today’s talk begins with a radio announcer saying that he was
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about to play part two of this lecture, and then it very abruptly begins with Dr.
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Leary, apparently in mid-thought.
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Now, since the first part of this talk hasn’t been digitized yet, I almost decided not to
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play it.
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However, after previewing it, I found it quite compelling because its main theme is about
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how important it is to turn over power to the youngest among us.
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is about how important it is to turn over power to the youngest among us.
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I, for one, am all in favor of limiting power of all kinds to everyone that’s under 30.
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Now, I haven’t actually given this much thought, but I don’t see how such an arrangement could have any worse results than we’re now having.
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But I’ll let you decide for yourself what to think about this interesting proposition,
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particularly about what age people should be given the right to vote.
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I think the good doctor might surprise you with this one.
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So I hope you enjoy listening with me right now to Dr. Timothy Leary
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speaking to an audience in San Francisco sometime in the early 1980s.
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time in the early 1980s. And now part two of the creation of the future with Dr. Timothy Leary.
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Adult means the finished form. The word adolescent comes from the present participle of the same to grow. The adolescent is one who grows. Now, the key thing about
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the human species is this, that we have not committed ourselves to an over-specialized
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adult form. Now, if you follow the logic here, it becomes very simple. The more power you
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give to the young of your species, the sooner you give that power to them, the faster your
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species is going to grow, the faster your species
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is going to grow, the farther your gene pool is going to move into the future, and the,
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of course, it goes without saying, the key to everything, the more growth in the individuals
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will result.
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Now, the amazing thing about the United States and about the new California culture is this,
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that it’s definitely a youth-oriented
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culture. As you move east, you will find the country’s run by older and older men. That’s
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what it should be, and I’m not knocking that whatsoever. But America has always been the
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place where, it’s a frontier place where youth, and I would even use the word adolescence,
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has been the central cultural theme.
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Now, Europeans really think we’re nuts over here.
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We move around, we change, there’s nothing around us.
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The way of architecture is more than 50 years old.
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We are, you know.
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Now, let’s look at the characteristics of adolescence.
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The adolescent, see, the interesting thing about adolescence is sexually active,
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but hasn’t committed to a final over-specialized adult form.
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So it’s obvious that if any evolution, any quantum leaks are going to happen,
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it’s best designed to happen during the period of adolescence.
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Now, an adolescent is generally characterized by being intense, romantic,
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idealistic, change-able, enthusiastic, loves surprise, loves to joke, takes things very
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seriously, but then jokes about them. And above all, your adolescent is horny. Now,
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I cite you the case of a species which has these characteristics.
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The trick is to remain, to keep within a central core, a seed essence of adolescence.
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Now, my friends, again, I’m not advocating anything.
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But I’ll tell you that I have tried to be an adult over 24 times.
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I mean, I wouldn’t knock it if I hadn’t tried it. I’ve had a
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lot of fun as an adult, but I knew that my basic compass reading, my gyroscopic navigational
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readings told me that… So, become an adult. Matter of fact, you can be a swell adult if you know you’re just passing through.
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It’s a temporary gig.
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Because the definition of adult, of course, someone who is uptight and takes things seriously.
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So matter of fact, you can dress up like an adult and you can go into the adult hive
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and you can play that with more success because they really take it so seriously and they can’t move or change.
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And change is the name of the development game.
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Now, I want to use these notions of neoteny and pedomorphosis and adolescent commitment
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for practical politics.
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My friends, there is one minority group in this country
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which does not have its civil rights.
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There’s one large minority group in this country
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which is living in total repression.
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Now, the reason that this large and tremendously important
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minority group is kept without the ballot and without civil rights,
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the adults who run the Hive use the same line that they’ve used before.
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They use it to the Irish Catholics in Ireland and England.
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They used it to the blacks until recently in this country.
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They used it against women.
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You’re not ready to handle adult responsibility.
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But step by step, each of these large minority groups has demonstrated its interest in and its readiness to take over responsibility.
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The obvious conclusion is that the political movement of the 80s is going to be a youth movement.
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Why shouldn’t the voting age start at seven?
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the voting age start at seven.
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Well, at seven, they can’t read Time magazine.
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Well, at seven, well, they’re not married.
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Well, does that mean you have to be married to vote?
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You know, you go right down the list of all the arguments used to keep the vote away from young people,
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from the key segment of the population that’s ready to grow. And you’ll find
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that if you use those same criteria, you will knock out most of the current voters. So I suspect
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that in the 1980s, you’re going to have the classic situation. The key, of course, to intelligence increase in this country is
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power to the individuals and power, consumer power, to young people. When
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young people have caught on now that because they have consumer power,
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people are listening to them. Now here, the youth movement in the
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1980s will of course split, as all political movements do, into a radical group
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and a conservative group of young people.
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The conservative young people will talk quietly to parents and will have meetings and so forth.
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The radical group will do such things as,
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can you imagine 5,000 six-year-old kids in the Senate chambers refusing to go?
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And international television watching the police ejecting seven
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year olds.
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Well, I leave it to your imagination, the techniques which can be used by intelligent
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young people asserting their competence and their.
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Now, of course, it’s again true that we deliberately keep kids dumb by treating them like kids.
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And it’s obvious and well known that the more choice and option you give to any group, sure, they’ll make mistakes.
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Sure, they’ll do like every one of our groups have done.
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It’ll take them some time.
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But now, here’s the way I see the scenario
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going down. I see in the 1980 election a total defeat for the juvenile vote. By 1984, however,
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the youth activism, militant terrorists nine years old putting sugar in gas tanks and God knows what they’ll do to the adults,
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will lead to a backlash.
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And to the surprise of everyone in the 1984 election,
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Ronald Reagan will be elected on his program of firm but stern brat control.
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After the impeachment of Reagan in 86, the next election will be Tatum O’Neill versus
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Brooke Shields, who are clear and classic, futique expressions of the next political
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movement.
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Well, you know, talking politics in a feisty town like San Francisco is always reckless.
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I think that one of the greatest things happening in this country today is a disillusion with
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politics.
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Anytime you get a highly educated, affluent, free, independent, fast-moving populace and
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they start not voting.
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You know, in the last election, less than a third of the voters voted.
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In the 1976 election, more people decided to stay home than voted for Jimmy or the other guy’s name.
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What does that mean?
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It means that more people in 1976, the 200th year of our republic,
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decided they had more important things to do that day for their own personal growth,
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to make some money, to keep their own rally going, to do something for a loved one or a friend, then to go to a polling booth under the illusion that voting for Jimmy
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or Jerry was going to change anything.
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We all know that if voting for Jimmy or Jerry would change anything, it would be illegal.
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Pardon? Thank you. have no confidence in the great bureaucracies. They have these ballots saying, 17% of the American people like the Democratic Party,
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11% have any confidence in the Republican Party,
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12% for big labor, 12% for big government.
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As a matter of fact, it turns out that doctors and bankers at 18% are our most respected institutions
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because you have a 50-50 chance of getting quaaludes
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or cashing a check.
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I don’t know what that means.
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chance of getting quaaludes or cashing a check. I don’t know what that means.
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At the same time that we have no confidence in the great bureaucracies which think they run our country, when the American public is asked the question, how much confidence do you have in
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yourself and your friends and loved ones to make a life, and the result is close to 70 percent.
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A very interesting situation.
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Now, I think that the political issues in the next decade should not concern themselves with fighting over a diminishing globe,
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diminishing territory, overpopulation, diminishing resources.
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territory, overpopulation, diminishing resources.
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There are three scientific breakthroughs which are going to solve all of the economic and political and territorial problems.
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These are, I know you know what I’m going to say, space migration, intelligence increase,
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and life extension.
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Now, now is not the time or place to go into the details, the scientific hardware, off-the-shelf engineering details,
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which would convince any open-minded San Franciscan that within 15 or 20 years,
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we could have mini-worlds.
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We call them high-orbital mini-Earths.
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We’re not going to the stars.
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We’re not going to buckle down and shoot it out, Star Wars and Galactic and all that.
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We’re simply talking about getting into high orbit.
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There is an ecological niche in high orbit.
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The Russians have been there 176 days.
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Our own Skylab people are up there for 70-some-odd days.
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One thing we know about egg intelligence,
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one thing we know about the Gaia biological intelligence,
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she’s going to fill up every niche where she can go.
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So no question about it.
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Is it going to happen?
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We’re being squeezed off the planet Earth
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the way we were squeezed from the water to the shoreline,
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from the shoreline to the forest, up in the trees.
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The unbroken trajectory of human evolution is
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we get higher, we move faster, we communicate better,
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we’re better to each other, and we’re getting more beautiful.
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I didn’t hear that question.
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Let’s wait for a minute now.
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I’ll try to see if I have answers for questions after a while.
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Space migration, yeah.
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The key to space migration, intelligence increase, and life extension is genetic.
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When the time is, see, these things don’t operate separately.
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When it’s time for us to leave the water, we had to develop at one flash literally hundreds of thousands of new technologies and neurotechnologies.
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And I want to tell you that the same dialogue, the same debate,
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the same genetic issues and politics have been going on step by step as we move from unicellular form up to the present.
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And I think it’s important that we be able to feel in our own nervous systems
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that evolution has always involved people like us getting together as we are tonight,
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figuring out where we came from and who’s slowing us down
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and what’s the factual evidence as to how fast and where we can move.
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For example, one time, with the same situation we have on this planet,
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of overpopulation, pollution, decreasing natural resources existed
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at the first stage of life on this planet where we were all underground.
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You remember that time we were all unicellular creatures? Now, I’m not here to knock unicellular stage of life on this planet where we’re all underground. You remember that time when we were all unicellular creatures?
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Now, I’m not here to knock
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unicellular forms of life.
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There are no good guys or bad guys in this scenario.
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The unicellular form of life
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does nothing but float and suck.
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It’s got a one-dimension brain.
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The sex life is interesting.
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You clone.
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There’s one of you and there’s two of you and there’s four of you and there’s eight of you.
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Now, that’s wonderful.
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Unicellular, unisexual division is a fine technique used by DNA when it’s time to really populate a niche.
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And we’re all going to be cloning each other when the time comes to move off this planet.
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So I’m not knocking cloning.
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when the time comes to move off this planet, so I’m not knocking cloning.
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But the problem with cloning or unicellular sex is, yeah, it’s great because you don’t have to worry about a date on Saturday night.
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There’s no Lee Marvin suits when it’s all over.
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However, it gets a little boring.
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So when it’s time to slow down a rate of growth
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and when it’s time for DNA to improve neurotechnology,
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then you get the sort of evolution we’ve been through.
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Now, listen, the amoebas didn’t want that to happen.
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The adult authorities of amoebas went through the same thing in the pre-Cambrian situations we’re going through now.
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The amoeba police said, dangerous reports are coming about young amoebas hanging around shallow lagoons ingesting a dangerous drug called calcium.
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Calcium.
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The AMA, that’s the Amoeba Medical Association,
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has conclusively demonstrated that calcium causes head-tail symmetry,
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causes bones to grow.
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You know what? Your young amoebas have bones and muscles.
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Why, some amoebas have been known to ingest this dangerous drug calcium and swim away
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from the home nest never to be seen again. And amoeba theologians have clearly set the
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situation right when they say, if God had intended amoebas to grow bones, she would not have made calcium illegal.
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Now, I don’t have to tell a sophisticated crowd like this how we went from calcium ingestion to oxygen sniffing and up the chain of biochemical intelligence.
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The whole thing is genetic.
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Listen, we’re not going to move into space because some male macho militarist in the
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Pentagon or the KGB think it’s time to move guns up there.
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Sperm intelligence is great.
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Sperm intelligence moves out and establishes the first niches and so forth.
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Every species, every tribe, every gene pool.
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Oh, at this moment, I must pay tribute to a very honored guest tonight,
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Robert Anton Wilson and Arlen Wilson.
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Stand up.
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Arlen.
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One of the great heroes of our time.
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Author of
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Illuminatus, Cosmic Trigger.
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The Universe Next Door.
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What should I talk about, Robert?
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Oh, he wants more oxygen sniffing.
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The adult hive, it’s all defined this way.
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The adults who run the hive naturally have to put up every barrier to change.
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You know, they’re robot-programmed to do that.
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No good guys, bad guys.
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There are some of us who are robot-programmed to be what I call outcasts.
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Every successful sperm-egg ship has to have its people up there looking forward and sending back information as to where the next ecological niche is going.
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Because I’m ready to say it flat out, they accused us of this when we left the water.
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They said we were cop-outs.
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When we went to shoreline and developed our fur coats and binocular vision,
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they said we were copping out using terrible new technology.
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When we stood erect, they said you’re copping out, getting high that way with a backbone standing up.
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You know, they’ve been telling us, and I’ll tell you right now, I admit it, it’s an escape trip.
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The people who know how to, you know, the smartest, the most courageous, people that like themselves and love their loved ones,
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don’t want to stay around and fight over the barnyard.
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Move out. Keep one step ahead of them. We don’t
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have to fight them because we’re smarter than they are.
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And we’re always
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sending them back. We’re always sending them back
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signals. We’re always sending them back.
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We’re doing it for them. Those of us that are outcasts,
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that are future people.
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And it’s our time, my friends.
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There are times in history for centuries and nothing happens
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except one duke is changed by another
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baron and so forth.
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But this is a time when the outcasts and the future castes and those who are—and by the
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way, there’s no genetic thing here.
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Everyone in this room is carrying in his DNA and her DNA the machinery for a building in
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the 20th century, in the 21st century, in the 23rd century reality.
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Now sure, we’re going to change morphologically during that
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period, but the neurological equipment is there. That’s what LSD is all about in psychedelic drugs.
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Do you know about how the DNA operates when you were a little baby? You didn’t know anything
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about disco. In fact, all you could do is lie on your mother’s arms. Your calcium habit, you know, got your bones to grow.
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But the way evolution works, see, the evolutionary, the DNA strand, the future of your life is a spool and it’s protected by what are called histone proteins.
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It’s a sheath.
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And there are certain specific anti-histone proteins
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usually coming from pollution.
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What’s pollution?
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Pollution is the signal to peel off the next layer.
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So that step by step, as each one of us grew,
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a new link in the histone protein coverage was peeled off
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and we started moving around.
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We went to first grade.
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We went to high school.
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When we got to the high school, an enormous metamorphosis took place.
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Sperm egg rallies took over.
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This was all pre-programmed.
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Well, there’s no reason.
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I think it’s a very amusing hypothesis with a lot of scientific muscle behind it to suggest that everyone in this room is carrying around in the other section of your nervous system
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and in the unpeeled off sections of your DNA a future neurotechnology.
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And, you know, it’s simply more fun to have a nervous system ahead of the DOM species
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than I think.
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We have no choice about it anyway.
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Okay.
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See, there’s always what Robert Anton Wilson has called neophobia.
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There’s this obsessive fear of the future.
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Back in the 60s, I went to the Hudson Institute, Herman Kahn.
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We had our intelligence agents penetrate the Pentagon and the KGB.
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Those mothers had no plan for the future except the next election and this rocket anti-ballistic missile.
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They don’t care about the future.
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For the last 3,000 years, our hives have been run by what are called Stoics. A Stoic is a person that says, well, the motherfucker
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barbarians are going to get us in a decade or two, but let’s keep the thing going one
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more generation. How noble Kissinger is. Kissinger knows that, you know, his life is
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going to be, keep it going until we get our pension checks, baby, and then forget it,
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Keep it going until we get our pension checks, baby, and then forget it, right?
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Well, we’re coming to the point where we realize that the future belongs to those who see the future.
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The only interesting thing to do is to start building the future, because nobody knows.
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They don’t have a clue.
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So that those of us that are here tonight can begin thinking about creating, and I don’t mean, you know, better supermarkets.
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It’s genetics.
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Okay, space migration.
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Genetics.
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We’re not going to go into space because the aerospace companies want us to go there.
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We’re not going to go into space because, sure, we can bring down solar satellite power energy.
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We can totally solve the energy problems of this planet within 10 or 15 years.
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Of course, the Arabs don’t like that.
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PG&E doesn’t like that.
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But we’re not going to do this for PG&E.
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We’re not going to do it for the Pentagon.
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We’re not going to do it for satellite communication.
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And we’re not going to do it for the acrobatic male macho astronauts.
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like the communication, and we’re not going to do it for the acrobatic male macho astronauts.
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We’re going to move into high orbit when the women of the Sun Belt in America realize that it’s time to move.
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It’s always been that way.
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The first wave is always male macho.
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The Greek astronauts of Homer, you know, wine, dark sea, and all that stuff, they were fighting
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and raping in the Homeric days,
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but the real issue didn’t come until the ships went with the children and the grandmothers
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until the big, great egg ship moves.
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And the egg ship’s going to move when it’s time to move.
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The same thing is true in this country.
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It was an interesting thing, you know.
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One of the greatest genetic experiments in the history of our planet occurred in the last 400 years.
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South America and North America.
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Now, South America was built up, invaded and built up by men sent from Madrid and from Lisbon,
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speaking Spanish and Portuguese.
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And they didn’t go over there to start new lifestyles or to have a frontier of growth
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or to have individual new lifestyles developed.
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They went over there to get the gold, to build the cathedrals in Toledo.
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They went back over there to preach their religion, their monotheistic religion to the
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natives.
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The key to the South American experiment was they didn’t bring the women.
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It was not an egg of wisdom.
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It was a sperm adventure.
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And the heritage of that still exists today.
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Now, on the North American continent, you know, it was dissonant, dissonant species groups.
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It was William Penn and the Mrs. Penn and the Quakers who were kicked out of England.
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They were wild, hippy-dippy spiritualists. They came to Pennsylvania. The Pilgrim Mothers and Fathers were out against
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the Church of England. They went to Holland. They were persecuted. They exiled. The history
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of this movement westward has been, sure, when we came west, it was the male macho John
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Wayne shooting them up and all that. But nothing happens that way.
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Nothing happens until the great egg ship moves westward.
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So space migration is going to happen.
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It’s going to happen quickly when the women understand that the best place to make love is in zero or multiple gravity.
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or multiple gravity, that the best place to raise children is in a place where you’re surrounded, you’re interacting with people who share your particular vision, because
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the key, and this is what they don’t like about space migration, the civilian aspect
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of it.
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See, the real political scandal right now is this, that in the last, what is it, five
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or six months, Robert, the Carter administration has for the first time instituted the military control of NASA.
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They’re cutting down on all those civilian flights on the shuttle.
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About two years ago, they said that high school kids could, for a small amount of money,
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send up their experiment.
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No more of that, my friends.
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NASA’s now being run by Pentagon people.
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I mean, that’s, they don’t want dissidents.
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They don’t want egg wisdom to occupy this ecological niche.
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Hijack a starship.
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Well, when the Jefferson airplane changed its name, that was the sign it was going to happen.
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this name. That was the sign it was going to happen.
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Another political issue, of course, is drugs.
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It’s interesting.
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The drug issue was always there.
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It’s the one thing that none of the politicians will talk about.
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I would say that you wonder why people are disillusioned with their government. You know, talking about Prop 13, 35 to 45 million people are paying taxes to a government
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that’s putting Paraquat on their marijuana.
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The real scandal about drugs, and we’ve known it, everyone’s realized it for a decade,
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is that drug research is just beginning, that they are in the laboratories and in the experimental rooms in Basel, Switzerland, as well as in this country.
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Scientists working, pharmacologists working, developing an enormous repertoire of new drugs
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that’ll make you smarter,
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that’ll give you memory,
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that’ll make you forget,
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that’ll make you horny,
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that will, of course, the key.
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Yeah, I don’t know if I told you this,
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but I had about three interviews on television
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before I came out here.
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Did I tell about experimental drugs?
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You? Oh, yeah, all right. Did I tell about experimental drugs? Yeah.
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Oh, yeah, all right.
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Well, when I got out of prison, I started telling you, because I didn’t finish the story.
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I think someone interrupted.
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When I got out of prison, people would ask me if I used any drugs, and I said I didn’t use any drugs.
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Remember I said that I didn’t use any drugs that were illegal?
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Well, now I look right in the camera and I say,
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yes, Barbara and I use a lot of very powerful drugs.
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They’re new drugs, experimental drugs
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that will put our heads exactly in place where we want to.
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And who can complain because you don’t know about them
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and they’re not illegal.
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I think it’s a scandal that our government,
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forget the government, is stopping research on neurological and neurotransmitter drugs
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that can give the American people the option of putting their brain
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exactly in the kind of area of intelligence and of mood.
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There’s simply no excuse for any American to have his or her head where she doesn’t want it to be.
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And this is…
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We all know that.
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We were saying that in the 60s, but now it’s kind of cliché to say it.
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But still, it hasn’t happened.
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You know, they’re not letting progress…
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And, of course, the greatest scandal of all when you come to politics is life extension.
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Paul Siegel over in Berkeley and Robert Anton Wilson, a key intelligence center for longevity research.
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Roy Walford in UCLA.
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There are dozens, scores of scientists in this country.
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And if you ask him this question, how long before we can get a pill that will double the human lifespan?
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The answer is to come back two to ten years.
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How is it going to happen? This is the interesting thing.
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There are eight different scientific scenarios suggested by top university scientists.
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And these are not off-the-wall people because the off-the-wall people already know it.
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I’m talking about respectable hive people.
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Full-fledged 10-year cast of engineers.
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They’ll say, two to 10 years, we can have a pill that’ll double your lifespan.
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And how?
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Eight different ways.
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Immunology. Maybe that it’s our immune systems that we that may be aging in death is simply because our cells don’t
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Recognize our own cells our cells don’t love us that much and they simply don’t keep us immune
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There’s another theory that it’s the genetic RNA DNA
00:33:21 ►
Antihistone protein approach Paul Siegel has been keeping rats
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more than, what, double their lifespan
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in Berkeley
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using diet,
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which means chemicals.
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And I’m using, I just heard,
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maybe you can confirm this, Robert.
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I was told,
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I think Saul Kent told Jay Levy,
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that they got a new drug that may be the drug that will produce rejuvenation and longevity.
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And it’s like a first cousin of lysergic acid. Well, what do you want, controversy?
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You want CIA jokes?
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What?
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What?
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Come on, louder.
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I’m an American.
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I’d like to tell you, indulge me once.
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I’ve done it all for you so far.
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Give me a funny story, all right?
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All right.
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You know, when we came to Harvard in 1960,
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sent under assignment by galactic egg intelligence.
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The thing about Harvard is if you’re sent to a planet,
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it’s all in the navigation guidebooks they give you in Space Academy.
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So you take a planet like ours and you want to bring about an evolutionary mutational change.
00:35:19 ►
Where do you go?
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Well, you don’t go to Washington.
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You don’t go to Rome.
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Listen, suppose you had one million doses of LSD and your assignment on this planet was in five years you had to mutate the whole planet.
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Well, I wouldn’t use those million doses in India because they’d gobble them up and the
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trains would run better. They did have LSD in that ergot of rye scandal when the bread in France,
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and they all began jumping out of the church windows.
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That’s premature post-terrestrial activity.
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That’s premature post-terrestrial activity.
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The key to getting high is that you are transcending gravity.
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No accident.
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These cliches, these folk myths.
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Why say getting high?
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Well, that’s no accident.
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As they say, the trajectory of intelligence is we’re getting higher.
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The smarter you are, the higher you want to be.
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That’s obvious.
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You know, not sort of going out, out, out all the time.
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The key to neurological navigation is to be able to voyage into exactly the circuits of your brain that you want to be,
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exactly when you want to be there and with whom you want to be there.
00:36:52 ►
But anyway, when we came to Harvard in 1960,
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the psychotropic drugs and their effects had been known for centuries, for millennia,
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for thousands of years.
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Whenever an empire got to a point when they conquered everything,
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there was no more barnyard, terrestrial games to play,
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then the next wave comes in.
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If you control everything out there, if you control the army, the navy, the air force, the chariots and all that, what do you want to do?
00:37:23 ►
Well, inevitably, in these great empires in the past in China, the Mongol emperors in in India throughout the Middle East, they started making inward voyages using the obvious locomotion for neurological voyaging.
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So that the fact that drugs could change your mind, that drugs could enhance beauty and eroticism and that could broaden your mind, it’s been known for thousands of years. When we went to Harvard, for example, there were over 1,500 scientific reports on LSD alone.
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But the problem was that these reports did not tell anything about what had happened
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because the doctors, the psychiatrists who gave these experiments, gave the drug to other people.
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these experiments, gave the drug to other people. Now, of course, it’s no accident that all the LSD research that preceded our arrival at Harvard was sponsored by an organization who has made possible
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our being here tonight. I refer, of course, to the CIA. In the 1950s, when most of us were,
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you know, listening to Elvis and Neil Sedaka and Neil Sadaka and Eisenhower and whatever,
00:38:29 ►
there was one boom of consumerism in the 50s that was fantastic.
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Automobiles.
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Every working woman and man in the country got an automobile with a driver’s seat.
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And accelerators and shifting gears and transmission.
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Europeans said, you can’t do that.
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You can’t let the working man and woman have a self-mover,
00:38:51 ►
putting them in the driver’s seat.
00:38:52 ►
Well, if you do that, the kids will get in the driver’s seat.
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You know where they’ll go and what they’ll do.
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So all this 50s consumerism,
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there was one group of Americans who were not indulging themselves.
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I refer, of course, to our friends in the CIA who were sending their agents up the Amazon headwaters through South Africa, through South Seas.
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There was not one root or vine or mushroom or nut or vegetable in the world they didn’t bring into their laboratories to figure out how they could fuck our heads up with it.
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They were going to drop it in the water supply of Russia. That was the scenario. Remember that? Well, when we came to Harvard, there
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was a lot of research done, but it wasn’t time until the 1960s when the consumerism
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of the 50s, the average American young person had an automobile, knew how to move their body around, knew their, you know, in a car. So the next step of body consumerism and brain consumerism, we didn’t do anything.
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It was time for that to happen.
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It’s always happened in times when the species is about to move out. The key to the 60s, as we see it now, was a period of self-discovery, of self-indulgence,
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and a refusal to accept the adult hive over-specialized models.
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I remember when we first came to Harvard,
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there was a man named Dr. Max Rinkle.
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Has anyone here ever heard that name?
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Yeah.
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Dr. Max Rinkle was a psychiatrist at Harvard
00:40:37 ►
that did everything in his power to cause us trouble.
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He was writing letters and editorials
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in the Harvard Alumni Association,
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in the New England Journal of Medicine.
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He did his best politically to get us kicked out of Harvard and so forth.
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And years later, I was in Boston, and I had a taxi driver.
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And as he was driving back to the airport, the taxi driver looked at me.
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He’s an old fellow, about 65, an Irish, wizened-up Irishman.
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And he pulled the car to the side of the common ground.
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He said, listen, I’ve got to talk to you.
00:41:06 ►
I said, yeah, what do you want to say, Pat?
00:41:09 ►
He said, do you know that I was probably the first American to ever take LSD?
00:41:13 ►
I said, do you tell me that, Pat?
00:41:17 ►
How’d that happen?
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He said, well, did you ever hear the name of Dr. Max Rinkle?
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I said, yes, the gray fox of the Harvard Medical School.
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I know him well.
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Because here’s what Dr. Max Rinkle and the other CIA psychiatrists would do in the 1950s.
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They would go over to a place in Europe which, as Rome is to the Catholic,
00:41:38 ►
and as Mecca is to the Islamic follower, this city is to the doper.
00:41:44 ►
I refer, of course, not to San Francisco, but to Basel, Switzerland. To the Islamic follower, this city is to the doper.
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I refer, of course, not to San Francisco, but to Basel, Switzerland.
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Now, in Basel, Switzerland, the situation is you go to Zurich for money,
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you go to Geneva for diplomacy and espionage, you go to Basel for drugs.
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My friends, in the great laboratories of Siebegeige and Sandoz
00:42:07 ►
and the other Swiss companies,
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there are laboratories,
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there are storehouses,
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there are warehouses,
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there are locked rooms
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which contain drugs
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that would baffle
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and boggle our minds.
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It is said…
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Rumor has it…
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The legend goes like this, that in the high valleys around Basel, Switzerland, there are alpine villages
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where the inhabitants have not drawn an unhallucinated breath in five hundred years. However, until the 1960s, with this mass, neoteny revolt of the larvals and the sexually
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activated pre-adults, until that time, drugs which changed the mind were always the province
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of the Sultan, the Duke, the opium aristocrats of Europe, the Hashishin clubs,
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all those titled English poets from Oxford and Cambridge who would have their loudnum and so forth.
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It was always something that you didn’t want the working class to know about.
00:43:17 ►
You didn’t want the working class to know there’s a way to satisfy yourself,
00:43:21 ►
a way to indulge yourself that didn’t require trucking off to the steel mill or
00:43:25 ►
doing what, you know, why?
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The last gasp of the adult authority happened the year, actually, that we started our research
00:43:38 ►
at Harvard.
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It’s almost no accident the precision of how these things operate.
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The last gasp of the adult authority in the United
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States came in the inauguration of President John Kennedy in 1960 when he said, do you
00:43:54 ►
believe this? He said, ask not what the hive can do for you, but what you can do for the
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hive. Two thousand years of Judeo-Christian ethic,
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of suffering.
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You’re fucked.
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You’re not supposed to have a good time.
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What do you think,
00:44:08 ►
it’s a pleasure trip?
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You did something wrong.
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You don’t know what it is
00:44:12 ►
but you’re cursed forever.
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Now maybe if you play ball,
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keep cool,
00:44:16 ►
don’t cause any trouble,
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work hard,
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maybe we’ll ship your sperm and egg supply
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to another place.
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Well, the key to space migration,
00:44:38 ►
the key to intelligent crease,
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which means learning how to use the nervous system and learning which neurotechnologies
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and neurotransmitter drugs or techniques,
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bioelectric feedback, there are literally hundreds of techniques now that can and are
00:44:49 ►
going to be used to increase our intelligence.
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Now, I don’t mean the intelligence measured on tests by middle class intellectuals, you
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know, with pen and paper.
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I mean intelligence in the sense of getting control of your own brain, getting control
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of your own reality and using
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the equipment that we have.
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The key to
00:45:09 ►
everything that I’ve said tonight,
00:45:12 ►
the key to everything
00:45:14 ►
that I’ve done throughout my life,
00:45:16 ►
and I’m sure that’s true of almost everyone
00:45:17 ►
in this room,
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slowly, step by step, we’ve had to overthrow
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2,000 years of this
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heritage that somehow we’re wrong.
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And we’re not good people.
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And we’re not lovable people.
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You know, so we’re step by step, like undoing buildings.
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We had to un-carpent our way through this.
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So everything that we’re talking about tonight has to do with basically, basically liking yourself and taking responsibility
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for your own situation.
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I know there are thousands, thousands
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of people and hundreds of teachers
00:45:53 ►
that are going around preaching self-actualization.
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And this, I mean,
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whatever level you want to get it, great.
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But I’m talking
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not about being
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a better middle class robot.
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I’m talking not about being a better middle-class robot.
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I’m talking about the tradition that we have going in this room tonight,
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which has gone back for thousands of years,
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which has probably gone back as long as the history of biological species on the planet has gone,
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of self-actualized species, self-actualized cast, getting to a certain point where they say, listen, we’ve got to do it.
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This young man that said to me, when are they going to come?
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Well, listen, I’m sure you’re with me. If that UFO came down here right now with its platinum golden staircase
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and they came down and said, you want to come?
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I’m sure I’d go, you’d go, we’d all go.
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platinum golden staircase and they came down and said, you want to come? I’m sure I’d go, you’d go, we’d all go. However, there’s one easy, one uneasy thought I have. It sounds
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to me that the UFO higher intelligence coming down here may be just another soporific, sedative, cargo cult, messianic theory that someone up there is going to do
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something for us. It may turn out that the thing’s been planned. Yeah, there is a species
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of higher intelligence that zaps around from planet to planet and comes down to make blockbusting movies. There may be one planet where people are
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running around the galaxy, you know, turning people on and activating and so
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forth. But maybe it’s us.
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You know, it’s my reality and I can write history the way I want to.
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So as I read my own history, I see the way it’s always been.
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In cities like San Francisco, people like us getting together in hillsides and so forth,
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bringing us up to date as to where the thing is going, and saying, well, you know,
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they say that the fruit grows on the trees and the nuts grow on the trees
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because we do moonga-boonga to the God.
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But maybe if we planted these seeds, we could do it.
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Hey, you can’t do that.
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They’ll bust your ass if you plant seeds.
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Well, so we get a little ecological niche
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and we try it out.
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And sure, lo and behold, agriculture.
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Because some intelligent, probably women, but men and women back there,
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had the guts to go against the priesthood of the time and say,
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it’s not munga-bunga up there.
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It’s groping human intelligence, trusting, taking risks to do it.
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The first people who used fire, you know, Prometheus,
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they gave him a 30-year sentence for discovering fire.
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Well, it’s another male macho trick.
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I think fire was probably invented by a woman or a man that loved a woman sitting around watching.
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Saying, well, we have to wait for the lightning to come.
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It’s not Jove up there doing it.
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We can use that brand.
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We can cook with it. We can use that brand. We can cook with it.
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We can fashion.
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We can be warm with it.
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We can keep the light going in the night.
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We can have parties all night in the cave.
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We can make beautiful works of art with that on the walls.
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Yeah.
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Took guts to do that.
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Greek.
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Listen, the old histories of religions,
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they’re not screwing around.
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They busted Prometheus for doing what we’re doing tonight.
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The conquest of disease.
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Robert Anthony Wilson has written over and over again about our friend Simmelweis,
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who was busted and driven into insanity because he said that you should wash your hands before you delivered a baby.
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Well, you weren’t going to tell the AMA of Vienna,
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who, you know, in those days a surgeon was known because he smelled of pus.
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You weren’t going to tell them they had to wash their hands like a peasant.
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So, it’s a long tradition of,
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wait, listen, we don’t want to run anyone’s country.
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We don’t take anything away from anybody.
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But there is a tradition of people who have confidence.
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I’m personally insulted
00:50:15 ►
that it rains on Barbara and I
00:50:18 ►
and we want to play tennis.
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What are we, inchoate primitive savages
00:50:21 ►
we can’t control the weather?
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I’m insulted that I have to be down here
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to one gravity planet a swamp like a slug down here four thousand miles creeping around the
00:50:32 ►
bottom of an atmosphere well i’m a high-flying creature barbara’s higher than i am it’s an
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insult that we uh 75 of my energy in years goes into walking, lifting.
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Look at this building.
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It’s all set up to fight gravity.
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Well, it’s an insult to be trapped in this prison planet.
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Cloning.
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I told you DNA is going to be the big political issue in the future.
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Cloning.
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When we’re talking about taboos, my friends,
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it’s our professional job to lead some hive members to the door that says taboo.
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Let’s peek around and look at it.
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Show me a taboo and I’m interested in it.
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Now, when the scientist cast comes up with a new technology,
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immediately the military and the old guys who run the hive take it over.
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And they scare us.
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See, we can’t go into space.
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I’m not an Air Force cadet.
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You’re not an astronaut.
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You know, you’ve got to be a Pentagon kid to go into space, right?
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Same thing with genetic engineering.
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kid to go into space, right? Same thing with genetic engineering. Genetic simply means that DNA has programmed us to get to a point where we’re virtuous enough and intelligent enough
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and understand her flower intelligence. The flower kingdom plays a heavy-duty role in the evolution
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of mammalian species. I need not cite the fact that every neurotransmitter
00:52:06 ►
is a signal sent by the flower kingdom to these stupid animals up there.
00:52:10 ►
Right?
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So we get to DNA taboo.
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That’s the heaviest two of all.
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Because that’s the place where we are…
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Are we?
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Are we going to tamper with a genetic spool that says we have to die at 75,
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that after 45 you have to get menopausal and vote for Regan?
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DNA is a program that when the time is ready, all the signals are coming in, overpopulation,
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pollution, swarming.
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Swarming is the key to the next move.
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We get to the point where we say, yeah, we’re virtuous enough and we’re intelligent enough
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working together openly, not in secret, to clone ourselves.
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Now I love myself.
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I love Barbara.
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And I love my friends.
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We’re going to clone ourselves.
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We’re going to send out rockets,
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little ones, small ones, out there.
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Because I think any planet
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would be better off having us there.
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Now,
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if we’re wrong
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and our seeds land on the planet
00:53:28 ►
they look at it and say
00:53:29 ►
well good God
00:53:30 ►
here’s another 60’s acid head messianic person
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thinking he’s going to see
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if that’s not supposed to be
00:53:36 ►
that’s the way it’s going to be
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but
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did that happen to us?
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yeah Did that happen to us? Yeah.
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When I go to the more naive eastern provinces, you know,
00:53:53 ►
most of those kids were in junior high school, grammar school in the 60s.
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They don’t know who I am.
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They think the 60s are a bunch of naughty kids throwing rocks.
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And they’re confused about what’s out there.
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I say, well, you’ve heard a lot of images and a lot of stories about me and this and that.
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Well, the true facts of the matter are this.
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Back in 1960, Harvard University, our crack team was working on some neurogenic experiments.
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The experiments succeeded, and I was cloned.
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What time is it?
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12 after 10?
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thank you oh my love, thank you
00:54:36 ►
we’re going to a party at Bimbo’s now
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I thank you
00:54:41 ►
and wish you all
00:54:43 ►
good night.
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You’re listening to the Psychedelic Salon where people are changing their lives
00:54:58 ►
one thought at a time.
00:55:03 ►
I really love this talk. I have to admit it.
00:55:06 ►
When he said that he believed that the voting age should be lowered to seven, I really cracked up.
00:55:14 ►
Finally, I understood why the old white men who run this country thought that Timothy Leary was the most dangerous man alive.
00:55:22 ►
And he had a great sense of humor as well.
00:55:21 ►
most dangerous man alive.
00:55:24 ►
And he had a great sense of humor as well.
00:55:27 ►
So far, I guess I have to vote for Terence McKenna as the most serious and well-spoken
00:55:30 ►
from a philosophical point of view,
00:55:32 ►
but Dr. Leary sure is a lot of fun to listen to.
00:55:36 ►
Even though his message is quite serious,
00:55:38 ►
his good-humored Irish nature
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still comes through after all this time.
00:55:43 ►
Of course, his prediction of having high-orbiting mini-worlds in 15 to 20 years
00:55:48 ►
wasn’t very close to the mark.
00:55:50 ►
And I’m afraid that even in the long term,
00:55:53 ►
we aren’t going to see human migration off this planet.
00:55:56 ►
Hey, we evolved here.
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We evolved to live here.
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And if we want to live somewhere else,
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we’re going to have to evolve a new type of human.
00:56:05 ►
And to begin with, what they are going to have to be able to live with for many, many years in a small craft before they can even get to their new home.
00:56:14 ►
Well, it’s an incredibly long shot migrating off this planet.
00:56:19 ►
It seems to me that the more intelligent option is to look to moving our cities under the ocean.
00:56:26 ►
Since the land mass of this planet is going to be barren of all forms of life for millions of years
00:56:32 ►
before the sun burns out, we can certainly extend our stay on this planet by a significant amount
00:56:39 ►
of time if we go under the ocean. And even if you think that long-term planning on that kind of a scale is
00:56:45 ►
foolish, well, it doesn’t change the fact that the technical problems associated with building
00:56:51 ►
under-ocean cities are significantly less challenging than building cities on distant
00:56:56 ►
planets. I happened to be in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on the day that humans first walked
00:57:02 ►
on the moon, and the deep ocean research group
00:57:05 ►
that I was attached to at the time had as its motto, the ocean’s bottom is more interesting
00:57:12 ►
than the moon’s behind.
00:57:14 ►
And I still believe that.
00:57:16 ►
In fact, I find it incredible that we already know more about the backside of the moon than
00:57:20 ►
we do about 90% of our own oceans.
00:57:23 ►
You know, it’s a matter of priorities.
00:57:26 ►
Unfortunately, it seems that right now the main priority our leaders have is to kill people and
00:57:32 ►
take their oil. What a strange place this is, huh? I feel like a stranger in a strange land.
00:57:40 ►
Well, getting back to Dr. Leary’s talk just now, his prediction about a pill that can extend one’s lifespan may not be so far off the mark.
00:57:49 ►
Not a pill that will double your lifespan right now, at least.
00:57:53 ►
But there is some significant research underway that is investigating the use of nanotechnology in delivering medicines that can extend cell life.
00:58:03 ►
in delivering medicines that can extend cell life.
00:58:09 ►
Word on the street, of course, is that if we can stay alive for another 20 years or so,
00:58:15 ►
there’s at least a 50-50 chance we’ll have a way to add another 40 or 50 years to our lives.
00:58:19 ►
Of course, that raises all kinds of problems.
00:58:22 ►
I’m not really sure I want to live another 40 years,
00:58:27 ►
particularly if it means that I have to go back to work in the world of giant corporations once again in order to feed myself.
00:58:29 ►
I guess we’ll just have to burn that bridge when we come to it,
00:58:33 ►
to twist a turn of a phrase a bit.
00:58:36 ►
But I do have to confess to having taken the temporary adult path that Timothy just mentioned.
00:58:43 ►
You know, the one where you can have a lot of fun as an adult as long as you realize
00:58:48 ►
that you’re just passing through.
00:58:50 ►
Of course, now that I’m back in adolescence, I can’t remember for the life of me why in
00:58:55 ►
the world I wanted to pretend to be an adult for all those years.
00:59:00 ►
People kept wanting me to make a decision and find a career, but I just seemed to find it all too boring to stick with a single profession for very long.
00:59:10 ►
So I never had what the headhunters call a career path.
00:59:14 ►
However, I sure did have a lot of fun for a while.
00:59:18 ►
Now, let’s see what else I wanted to cover here.
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I remember.
00:59:22 ►
It’s a film titled Tryptosane, which is about
00:59:25 ►
a journey to the world inside your mind.
00:59:28 ►
I may have mentioned this before,
00:59:30 ►
but it was done by a fellow
00:59:31 ►
slawner, Sid333.
00:59:34 ►
I’m sorry, Sid, I
00:59:35 ►
haven’t had a chance to look up your
00:59:37 ►
name as director on the film, but
00:59:39 ►
recently, Sid posted a link
00:59:41 ►
to a scene from the film, and
00:59:43 ►
he calls this scene Shroom Airlines.
00:59:47 ►
And you can find the link and more information about what appears to me to be a very informative and entertaining film
00:59:54 ►
in the comments section under a post titled, The Forbidden Fruit of My Passions.
01:00:00 ►
You might want to check it out if you have the time.
01:00:03 ►
One last thing I want to mention
01:00:05 ►
is something I was supposed to announce last week
01:00:07 ►
or I guess maybe a week before that or so
01:00:10 ►
but fortunately a dime short
01:00:13 ►
noted it almost two weeks ago
01:00:15 ►
on our forum over at thegrowreport.com
01:00:17 ►
and that is the good news
01:00:20 ►
that there is now a feature story
01:00:21 ►
in the May 16, 2008 issue of Discover Magazine,
01:00:26 ►
and it features several people we’ve heard from here in the salon,
01:00:29 ►
most prominently Dr. Charlie Grobe.
01:00:32 ►
The article is online now,
01:00:34 ►
and so I’ll also post a link to it with the program notes for this podcast.
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Now, as always, I’ll close this podcast by saying that this
01:00:43 ►
and all of the podcasts from the Psychedelic Salon
01:00:45 ►
are available for your use under the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike 3.0 license.
01:00:53 ►
And if you have any questions about that, just click the Creative Commons link at the bottom of the Psychedelic Salon webpage
01:00:58 ►
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01:01:05 ►
And for now, this is Lorenzo signing off from Cyberdelicsalon.org, which is where you can also find the program notes for these podcasts. And for now, this is Lorenzo signing off from cyberdelic space.
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Be well, my friends. Thank you.