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635 - The Birth of a New Humanity – Part 4

Dec 10, 2019, 37 min read

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Guest speaker: Terence McKenna

Date this lecture was recorded: October 2, 1992.

[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]>

“The horrible thing about UFO-people who claim contact is that the aliens they present to us are so incredible mundane. [They are] so much more mundane than what you would encounter on a DMT flash. They’re just like the neighbors next door.”

“With alien intelligence the trick is not to find it but to to recognize it when it’s in front of you.”

“Intelligence is a very slippery concept. Sometimes we can’t even identify it in the person sitting next to us on the bus.”

“I think the world is a lot stranger than we can suppose without invoking benevolent aliens who prefer vegetarian diets and who come from the stars. Why do they so fit our preconception of what they would be?”

“I think the best protection against unpleasant experiences on psychedelics is to do it with care and attention in environments that are safe and low on sensory input. In other words, you don’t take it and go to a crowded singles bar, or even a rock ‘n roll concert. If you have to combine psychedelics with rock ‘n roll, do it with low doses.”

“I am terrified of psychedelics. I never take them without a sense of sickening dread.”

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Now, in just a moment, I’m going to play today’s somewhat brief talk by Terrence McKenna.

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While there were still a couple of questions left in this recording

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from an October 1992 workshop,

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I decided that they weren’t interesting enough to end this podcast on

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after what I consider to be a really great rap about drug safety by Terrence McKenna.

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And that’s what I’m going to end on,

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so I’m going to make a few brief comments right now

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and then let Terrence end this talk without any more comments from me.

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But there are two things that I’d like to put some emphasis on and

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to prod you to think about for a little while. In fact, next year in the live Monday Night Salons,

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I intend to use these two topics to focus our conversations on a couple of different nights.

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And I’ll be telling you more about the new live salon format in a future podcast, but

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well, that can wait till next year. For now, here are a couple

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of things that Terrence is going to bring up in today’s talk, and I hope that you give them some

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thoughts so that you can join in, if you want, when we discuss them in a live salon next year.

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Now, first of all, Terrence uses a phrase that probably has been around for a long time, but

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well, I just didn’t remember hearing it before. And that is

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the phrase, a global leveling of society. Now, obviously that can have a lot of different

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meanings that I think we should look into someday. But one thing that comes to my mind right now,

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been something I’ve been thinking about for a long time. And that’s what a lot of us have been

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calling the Americanization of the world, you know, with fast food joints and stuff like that being everywhere you go now.

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So my question is, is this really an Americanization of the world or a global leveling of society?

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I don’t know myself how I feel about that, but it’s something I’d like to talk with some of you about.

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I feel about that, but it’s something I’d like to talk with some of you about. Another issue he brings up is the difficulty of actually recognizing an alien intelligence if we encounter one.

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Now, if you’re a science fiction fan, then you’ve probably read some of Stanislaw Lem’s books,

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where he makes the argument that it is actually impossible for our species to directly communicate

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with an alien intelligence.

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And while this may be just something to talk about during late-night conversations that may be fueled by a little medicinal herb,

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well, it may be more of a pressing issue in the near future

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as the field of artificial intelligence continues to pick up steam.

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If you’re a Star Trek fan, then you probably remember the episodes where

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Commander Data’s self-awareness and ego and personality and all were called into question,

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Commander Data being basically a machine. And this may become more of a pressing issue than we think.

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Anyway, it should also be a good topic for one of our live salons. Now, the main reason,

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however, that I’m not going to make any comments at the end of this talk is because I want to let

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Terrence have the last word here, because it’s a matter of safety. Safety should somebody decide to

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defy the laws of the land and use psychedelics. As you’ll hear Terrence say, and I quote, I am terrified of psychedelics.

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I never take them without a sense of sickening dread.

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End quote.

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And I hope that you’ll follow Terrence’s

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few simple ideas for safe travels.

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And now, here’s Terrence.

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Yes, to the scientific community,

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that we are devolving, rather than evolving.

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Well, you’re referring to the Burgess Shale and what’s-his-name’s book Wonderful Life, right?

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Yeah.

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I sort of differ with your interpretation of it.

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It wasn’t that these things were more complex than any life forms on the earth today.

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It was that they represented a large number of phyla,

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none of which exist on the earth today.

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So the point that was being made by the paleontologists is apparently we started out with many different

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Apparently, we started out with many different phyla, and then it narrowed at some point into just a few phyla, which then re-radiated out into all the forms we possess today. brought this up and it’s a troubling example because it tends to throw a railroad tie against

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the onrushing of my rhetorical freight train but that’s the name of the game folks um it probably

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is true that at at an early point in the evolution of life i mean it’s obviously now established there were these many many different phyla

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and for unknown reasons

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certain phyla became extinct

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and then the phyla which were left

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radiated and filled all the abandoned niches

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that had previously been occupied

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by these now extinct organisms.

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But nevertheless, we have to look at this question of,

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for reasons unknown, they became extinct.

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Why did some phyllos survive and others not?

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It would be inconsistent with the theory of evolution

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to suggest that this happened entirely by chance.

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There must have been some adaptive advantage possessed by the phyla that made it through

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whatever these narrow evolutionary necks were,

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and then the phyla which survived these climatological crises, or whatever they are,

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radiated into an incredible number of complex forms that

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nevertheless could be traced to a small number of earlier phyla a more in line with your the

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thrust of your argument a more difficult to answer objection that i don’t know why I’m telling you this because it erodes

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my own position but I was preaching this the world complexifies through time rap at Esalen one time

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and a guy was staying with me there who was a professional Russian translator. He was a Russian and a linguist. And he said, you know, there’s a

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major exception to your rule that all phenomena complexify through time, and that is language.

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He said, as we go back into the past, languages become richer. And I am still puzzling over this

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I don’t think it’s an inherent property of language

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I think it’s because as we go back into the past

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languages become more and more localized

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and local variations develop in small, confined geographical areas, so that then when you

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pour all these languages together, there tends to be a certain leveling.

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And this probably results in a general fall in the total number of words being used in a language.

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In other words, if in Canada they call a windshield a windscreen,

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and in England they call it something else,

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well then as long as Canada, England, and the U.S. don’t communicate,

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we have three words for windshield.

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But if these three cultures communicate frequently and deeply, England and the U.S. don’t communicate, we have three words for windshield.

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But if these three cultures communicate frequently and deeply,

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probably a couple of these words will become obsolete or colloquial and one term will dominate.

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So language is not evolving in a vacuum.

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You have to look at the effects of modern transportation,

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migrations of people, and that sort of thing.

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I agree that this complexification through time thing

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has the characteristic of a general tendency,

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but it’s not an ironclad natural law.

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We can see that now, for instance,

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natural law. We can see that now, for instance, communism in the Soviet Union acted as a deep freeze for traditional cultures. Wonderful traditional cultures exist out on the steppes

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of Central Asia in Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Nagorno-Karabakh, and these places.

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Well, these wonderful traditional cultures are probably now all trading in their colorful garb,

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vocabularies, and technologies for transistor radio subscriptions to Time magazine and Der Spiegel,

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and generally lining up with the global leveling of culture that we see

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in the 20th century.

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So these are complex issues, and you’re right, it isn’t entirely straightforward.

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Karen, would you tell us or talk to us a little bit about your recent trip to Europe?

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Do you mean the one to Prague or the one to Italy?

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Would you have whatever you’d like to know?

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Do you mean the one to Prague or the one to Italy?

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Whatever you’d like to know.

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Well, I went to Prague to the ITA conference,

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International Transpersonal Association conference in June,

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and I had never realized until I went there. It was my second trip to Czechoslovakia.

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But, you know, as children,

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we grew up with a wonderful story

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of an emerald green country

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farmed by happy munchkins

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and ruled from a beautiful capital city

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built around a splendiferous palace

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presided over by a wizard.

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And I realized Czechoslovakia is Oz for grown-ups.

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And the morphogenetic field of the place

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is such that it might be a place we should all consider

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as a good venue for an archaic revival.

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I think Prague in the 90s could be what Paris in the 20s was.

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It is, after all, the capital of old Bohemia.

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You may not know why we are called Bohemians.

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You don’t have to have a Slavic gene in your entire family tree

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and can claim yourself as a bohemian it’s because bohemian

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stood for individual freedom eccentricity the magical arts the practice of the arts and uh

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the a a science which more gently approached the union of spirit and matter. And this whole potential alchemical civilization based around Prague

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was destroyed by the Thirty Years’ War.

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If you’re interested in all this, you should read Francis Yates’ book,

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The Rosicrucian Enlightenment, in which she shows that at a certain point in Western history

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There was the possibility of a Protestant alchemical revival in Central Europe that was

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Bungled by a series of diplomatic and cultural

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misunderstandings and led instead to the Thirty years war which then is you know before the 30 years

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war europe was thoroughly medieval in its character really and at the end of the 30 years war

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modernity was launched i mean the absolute power of kings had been replaced by parliaments and

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people and prague when the people who won the Thirty Years War

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got down to redrawing the maps of Europe they made sure that Prague fell on the

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wrong side of the language line and became a place that spoke a language

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spoken nowhere else in Europe, Czech, instead of the language that had been

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spoken there before the Thirty years war by the court

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which was Italian so it’s a whole lost episode in western history that not too many people know

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about but we could all return to our bohemian roots and create a community under the gentle aegis of Vaclav Havel

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and similar philosophically right-thinking people

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that might be a window of opportunity.

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You know, it’s very important when you’re trying to make social change

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that you find the proper resting place for your fulcrum

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or a proper fulcrum for your lever.

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And the best place is outside the system that you’re trying to move.

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And if we’re serious about carrying on a major critique of American society,

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Prague might be an excellent place from which to do it,

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especially if by some nightmarish fluke of fate the knotheads

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currently in power are able to hang on.

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Sorry for that brief foray into politics.

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That’s what Richard was trying to bait me into.

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Yeah.

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Could you comment on what your feelings are in terms of our planet being colonized by extraterrestrials in terms of Atlantis and Lemuria or the Land of Moon?

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Yeah, I can. I’m not sure how much comfort it will give you.

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It seems to me an underwhelming proposition.

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In other words, if this happened, where is the evidence?

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You know, there have been fabulous civilizations existing in the past, but their artifacts, their buildings, their earthworks are available to be visited and seen.

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works are available to be visited and seen. It seems to me, you know, in trying to build models, I try to follow Occam’s razor.

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You all know what Occam’s razor is?

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Hypotheses should not be multiplied without necessity.

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And I just find the lost continent thing an unnecessary hypothesis. I think there are lost civilizations,

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but I think we do a grave injustice to our dilemma and our accomplishment by thinking

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that anybody ever stood in this position before. To me, you see, there’s an impulse that’s very old in the Western mind to,

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and strangely enough, I trade on it to some degree. It’s called the nostalgia for paradise.

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And it’s that we’re always looking back to a lost golden age. And I think there was a lost golden age and I think there was a lost golden age on the plains of

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Africa 15 to 20 thousand years ago I discussed it this morning but I don’t

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think high technology has ever existed before on this planet well there’s just

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no evidence of it and the Atlantean and people and the enthusiasts of Murr

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move and Lemuria are always trying to fiddle with the dates and

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Say, you know, the Great Pyramid is 25,000 years old and there’s a ruin on the Nazca plain

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That’s 50,000 years old. This is

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First of all, the evidence is absolutely unconvincing.

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And second of all, the miracle is not how old the breakout into language and technology

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is, but how recent it is.

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I agree with you.

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I think that if you were to go scuba diving off of Bermuda and the

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Bimini Islands, you would find what many people believe are artifacts from Atlantis. You can

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hike in Decker Canyon and most of what is to be found is underwater because of the shift

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in the continental plates 10,000 years ago or more, but many people believe that the UFO involvement in that civilization

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is still very active today.

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I know someone who, I believe you met last night, Robert Stanley from Munich’s magazine,

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who takes people on these expeditions in Decker Canyon.

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He took somebody at the beginning of the summer, and a raw film was shot.

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He took somebody at the beginning of the summer and a raw film was shot. The person was from the East Coast, I believe in Boston, and he spaced on the development

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of the film.

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He just forgot about it and he decided, okay, I might as well get this developed.

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And sure enough, hovering in the distance over this part of the canyon were 12 saucers.

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And it’s a pretty obvious picture.

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I saw it last night for the first time.

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And I’m just curious because I think that a lot of us don’t really deal with a lot of the information that’s coming out right now because it’s overwhelming.

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You know, it’s almost like, wow.

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Well, I am prepared to be convinced, but I’m not willing to buy in without a fair amount of evidence.

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As far as UFOs are concerned, I’ve thought a lot about it.

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I’ve seen them far away, up close, and it’s not what people say it is.

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And the problem, there are two phenomena, the UFO, who knows what that is, and then the UFO community.

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And my God, these people are much weirder than UFOs.

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I mean, they, the whole slew of them.

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And the whole problem with the UFO community is apparently these

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people have never heard about the rules of evidence I mean they’re just full of

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revelation after revelation with absolutely zip to back it up there are

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so many I mean you look at these UFO magazines well do you want to believe

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master Chen thought of the Nabungi system or do you want to believe Master Chen Thuc of the Nibungi system,

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or do you want to go with the Billy Myers crowd, or what’s coming out of Brazil?

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I think Jacques Vallée, in one of his books, estimated that if you don’t believe UFOs only appear where there are witnesses,

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and take the number of sightings seen by people and extrapolate that by the area of the surface of

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the earth you have to conclude that ufos are coming and going from this planet at a rate of

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12 000 a month well my god what kind of extraterrestrial contact is this that 12 000 a

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month for 50 years and never a definitive piece of evidence.

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I was talking to one of the researchers on the fetal abduction thing.

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This guy was all excited.

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He said to me, you know, I’ve talked to 500 women who claim surgical removal of fetuses.

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And he said, and you know the amazing thing?

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of fetuses and he said and you know the amazing thing there’s not a single uh uh sign of physical invasion of these women’s bodies and i said well dr x doesn’t this suggest something to you and he

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said yeah advanced surgical techniques of which we have no knowledge i said well yeah but doesn’t it

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i mean give me a break so i think they have to operate in the light of the same evidence as everybody else.

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And their problem is that they claim to know too much.

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They’re just willing to tell you, you know, 125,000 years ago, they arrived to grow sweet peas.

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And then 100,000 years ago, the project changed and the 11th planet did something.

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Too much, too much data.

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It’s too Jack Armstrong-ish.

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Do you believe our government has the technology to travel in ships to other stars?

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Do you think we’re doing that today or do you think that’s our future?

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No, I don’t think we have a government that can’t knock off a loud mouth in Baghdad,

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let alone travel to other stars.

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So you believe our space program is limited to what NASA tells us is the reality of what’s going on,

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and that basically, you don’t think there’s like an underground or a whole network of societies

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and organizations within our government that are involved in research and technology?

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Well, obviously, there is a black portion of the government where research goes on and

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probably fairly kinky things are carried out.

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But these people are no different from us.

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I mean, some of them may be here today.

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And I don’t mean cops.

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I mean, some of them may be here today.

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And I don’t mean cops. I mean, you know, there may be NASA scientists here today.

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We are not so different from the people we’re talking about.

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Human beings cannot keep a secret.

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You may bank on it.

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And so the idea that, you know, somebody possesses a technology thousands of years in advance of us,

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I mean, then when you actually

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tear the lid off some of these

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government black operations

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you don’t find

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super scientists and

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brilliant minds you find people

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like Gordon Liddy

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and John Dean and you know

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half width clowns

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seem to lie behind

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most of this.

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I believe that I am not a conspiracy person.

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I believe that nobody is in control and that the people who seek control are the most misguided of all

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and that there’s a great deal more that we don’t know than we do know.

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And, you know, I would love to be convinced that something really far out were happening,

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but it just always seems to come apart in your hands.

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I consider stuff like the UFO phenomenon as popularly commercially available UFO beliefs

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as basically viruses of language, diseases of understanding.

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If you could teach people about the laws of evidence and how you build a case and stuff like that,

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then people wouldn’t be troubled by this.

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The same fuzzy thinking that permits people to believe in UFOs

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permits them to believe in the imminent expectation of the second coming

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or the face of Christ appearing on tortillas and all of this stuff.

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Terrence, may I stop here for a second?

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Is there a lot of people still with questions?

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Because we still have a lot of time, well, at least until 6 o’clock, supposedly.

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Can I have a show of hands?

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Okay, there’s a few more, because we want to sort of limit the questions to one question per person

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and sort of one rebuttal from that so that everybody could

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get a fair share before we make a final.

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Is this a gentle hint to stop raving about UFOs?

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I just want to make sure you’re leaving the UFOs.

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He doesn’t want to hear any more of that.

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Oh, I see.

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Well, I say to the UFO people the same thing, you know, what can you show us?

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Drag it forth. Everything has to be judged people the same thing you know what can you show us drag it forth everything has to

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be judged on the same field if you got something spill it but to claim you know as i don’t want to

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use names here but stories like well we met the ufos and they gave us a message from mankind but

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when we got back to our car our tape recorder had miraculously erased itself.

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Well, then be quiet.

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Don’t tell anybody this.

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Don’t you understand how lame that sounds to the doubters?

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It’s not the believer you have to convince.

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They’re a pushover.

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What are you going to do about your skeptics?

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That’s the problem.

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Well, what do you say to a about your skeptics that’s the problem well you want me to tell you

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a story i was in the amazon um i was in a state of considerable psychic turmoil and

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i sat up all night this is told by the by the way, in the book True Hallucinations, which will be published next year. And at dawn, I looked across this lake and there was a thin line of clouds on the horizon.

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line of clouds and they were and then suddenly I noticed that they were turning in place like a pencil spinning on its axis in one place and then the clouds this line of clouds broke apart

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into four perfectly identical lenticular clouds and then the lenticular the four lenticular clouds merged into two lenticular clouds.

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And then the two merged into one.

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And as they merged into one, I heard the wee, wee, wee sound of Hollywood science fiction flying saucers.

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And I realized this thing was coming toward me across the lake and it was

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absolutely convincing it was a flying saucer the real thing and and I I was absolutely convinced

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that it was going to take me at that moment and as it passed over only about 200 feet above my head i could see it clearly

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enough that i could see rivets on its underside i could see its running lights i could see it it but you know what I saw I saw the end cap of a 1932 model Hoover vacuum cleaner it was the very

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same flying saucer that George Adamski suspended from a piece of mylar fishing line in 1953 and photographed in his garage one of the most famous UFO hoaxes of all time.

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I saw it a diameter of 40 feet over the Amazon basin and I knew what I was looking at.

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It was more disturbing than if it had been a ship from Zeta Reticuli because it had built-in cognitive dissonance.

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What?

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Well, see, I believe you completely.

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I don’t have any problem with that.

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It’s simply an enormous leap

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to say that that was a craft from another star it’s much

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better to just say it’s a who knows what it is the world is full of weird stuff just briefly here’s

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my best theory on flying saucers and a whole bunch of other stuff this tries to solve all problems of this sort simultaneously

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the transcendental object at the end of time let’s drag it in here and let’s imagine that it is like

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those mirrored balls that they hang in discos above the bar and spin so then i think that definitely there is a forward movement

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of causal necessity which propels us from the past into the present on into the future but that

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there is also and necessary to account for precognitive visions and stuff like that, which happen all the time, a flow of information from the future into the past.

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And the transcendental object at the end of time

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is casting reflections of itself backward into the past.

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And if you are struck whatever that means by one of

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these scintillas from the transcendental object at the end of time then you begin

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to cure and teach and if you really got a good hit possibly raise the dead I

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mean I’m not sure how far it can go. Now, also, these images of the transcendental

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object at the end of time haunt the skies of this planet in the form of spinning vortices

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of contradiction. This is what Jung said. He said, you know, the UFO is an image of the self.

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said he said you know the UFO is an image of the self and I don’t mean the little self I mean the collective self of humanity so a story like Jim’s story

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is I have no problem with it I take it as true it’s the people who say you know

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and they revealed the nature of the fall of Atlantis and the world plan.

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Then it’s too much because it’s coming through human interpretation.

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The horrible thing about the UFO people who claim contact is that the aliens they present to us are so incredibly mundane.

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So much more mundane than what you would encounter on a DMT flash,

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that they’re just like the neighbors next door.

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I think that, you know, alien intelligence, the trick is not to find it,

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but to recognize it when it’s in front of you.

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Intelligence is a very slippery concept.

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Sometimes we can’t even identify it in the person sitting next to us on the bus.

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So how can you expect to identify the intelligence of an alien?

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It just seems incredibly unlikely to me.

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It just seems incredibly unlikely to me.

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I think the world is a lot stranger than we suppose without evoking benevolent aliens

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who prefer vegetarian diets

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and who come from the stars.

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I mean, why do they so fit our preconception

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of what they would be?

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I mean, silvery humanoids,

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alien intelligence and alien life,

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when and if you meet it, you’ll know you’re in the presence of the real thing

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because you’ll be barely able to wrap your mind around it.

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I’m basically in agreement with you.

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I’m kind of pondering over the answer.

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Maybe there’s a certain sense of reality about it.

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Maybe there is.

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It could be a holographic projection

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out of the Gaian mind.

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It could be, you know,

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a race of intelligent Saurians

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that rose and fell

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before the asteroid impact

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that wiped out the dinosaur.

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It could be all and everything.

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The trick is to try and get

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some kind of evidentiary hold on it.

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Parents, this is a nut-and-bolt question, but first I’d like to preface it by saying that I haven’t used psychedelics in 20 years,

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and I haven’t used marijuana in seven, and have been considering a return to the use of psychedelics.

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And when I stopped, the last experience which I had,

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it wasn’t a terrifying experience and it wasn’t a bad trip.

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It was similar.

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It presents similar insights that I have heard you mention and speak of.

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But there were times in which my psychedelic use left me rather shaken and terrified, dealing with fear of death and crossing over the line.

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Though I have to say that my very first psychedelic experience

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was one which contained a death and rebirth experience.

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So I don’t know why after that, but that’s the nature of fear, I suppose.

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So the question is, it’s a nut-and-bolt question,

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it’s how does one proceed with the use of psychedelics

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after a long absence from it

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and not make the mistakes and not run into the walls

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that I occasionally ran into

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and or deal with them, get around them, so forth and so on.

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Well, I think the best protection against unpleasant experiences on psychedelics

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is to do it with care and attention in environments that are safe and low on sensory input.

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In other words, you don’t take it and go to a crowded singles bar

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or even a rock and roll concert i mean if you have to combine psychedelics with rock and roll

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do it with low doses well this is the way to do it it isn’t always going to be ecstatic, but it’s almost always guaranteed to be educational.

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There’s no way you can seal yourself off from shock

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because shock may be what you need.

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But you can…

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Attention to it.

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I mean, fasting, going into it, cleaning yourself up, creating a safe space,

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not going to it if you’ve just been highly agitated by some emotional upheaval in your life,

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and then take a long time to integrate it and think about it.

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take a long time to integrate it and think about it.

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It’s basically, in the best sense of the word, a religious activity.

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And the intellect or whatever it is that lies behind it is very sensitive to your needs and your limits.

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And unless you approach it with a cavalier attitude

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it will usually be very gentle with you now this fear of death thing though is a hard thing to come

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to terms with because um you know it’s we are going to die it’s scripted into the human experience culturally there’s a great

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deal of anxiety around this and basically i think what one has to do is simply ride it out

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in terms of advice as to what you do once you have are in the middle of an unpleasant revelation um you can sing your way through that

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you can smoke cannabis to to shake up the pieces on the board uh or and you can just wait

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and put up with it it’s the the real issue you see around fear on psychedelics is a surrender

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issue the ego plays a trick on you because the ego begins to dissolve under the influence of

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the psychedelic and uh the ego sends you the message you are dying this is its last most desperate ploy to halt what is happening

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because the ego is dying and to the degree that you identify with the ego you’ll be driven into

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a state of panic a joke about the lone ranger and Tonto are surrounded by Indians.

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And the Lone Ranger says,

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“‘Well, it looks like the end of the trail, partner.‘”

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And Tonto says,

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or he says,

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“‘It looks like the end of the trail for us, partner.‘”

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And Tonto says,

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“‘What mean us, pale face?”

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And you can sing. It will respond to being sung to i am always i am terrified of

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psychedelics i never take them without a sense of sickening dread for they because i figure

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you know i stand up in front of people and preach this stuff, and if it wants to

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get me, it will really get me good. And what I say to it when I take it, I say, I am surrendering

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myself to you completely. Do what you will with me. Please don’t hurt me and if you must kill me please do it quickly and

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but i i know people who have tried to order it around heavy male dominator types who want to

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beat information out of it and my, they have bad trips so terrifying

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that they never come back to it again

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because if it decides to turn on you,

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it has resources that would make your hair stand on end.

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So he does it gently, reverently,

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and with a great deal of attention.

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And for now, this is Lorenzo,

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signing off from cyberdelic Space.

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Be well, my friends. Thank you.

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