139 - Is the Universe Waking Up

Program Notes

Guest speaker: Bruce Damer

[NOTE: The following quotes are by Bruce Damer.]

“It seems as though the universe is a sort of self-contained thing, never looses any information.”

“A mechanism called ‘life’ was able to fight against all this crud, and entropy, and fires and brimstone and preserve this little piece of information [DNA] forward, and it’s called reproduction, it’s called life. And that process has outlived the life of most stars. It’s certainly older and tougher and more resilient than all the configuration of the continents.”

“What if the universe, like Chris Langston’s brain, is gradually booting up an awareness of itself?”

“And are you part of that great project that the universe is trying to do, which is to know itself?”

“It’s like exposing you to the most powerful drug ever given to primates, which wasn’t alcohol, it’s not nicotine, it’s not MDMA, it’s not LSD. It’s the computer/human interaction.”

(click to) Contact Bruce Damer

“A Gigantic Unplanned Experiment … on You” an essay by Bruce Damer

Transcript

00:00:00 ►

Greetings from cyberdelic space.

00:00:19 ►

This is Lorenzo and I’m your host here in the psychedelic salon.

00:00:24 ►

And it sure is good to be back here with you again this week.

00:00:28 ►

I hope life is treating you well these days.

00:00:31 ►

Things are certainly looking up for Sasha Shulgin and for Gary Fisher,

00:00:35 ►

both of whom are recovering nicely from their respective surgeries.

00:00:39 ►

So all of your positive thoughts and well wishes are doing a good job.

00:00:44 ►

And speaking of well wishes, just yesterday we received a very generous donation from

00:00:49 ►

longtime salonner, Louis G. And in addition to sending some money to help offset the expenses

00:00:56 ►

associated with these podcasts, Louis has also been participating in the ongoing comments

00:01:02 ►

on our psychedelicsalon.org blog.

00:01:04 ►

also been participating in the ongoing comments on our psychedelicsalon.org blog.

00:01:10 ►

And just as I was about to begin recording today’s podcast, I also received notification that we just received a donation from Garrett W. So Garrett and Lewis, thank you ever so

00:01:17 ►

much for keeping these podcasts coming.

00:01:20 ►

Your donations mean a lot to me and to all of our fellow salonners, I’m sure.

00:01:24 ►

Your donations mean a lot to me and to all of our fellow salonners, I’m sure.

00:01:30 ►

Well, we’ve got a lot to cover today, and so let’s get to our first part of this podcast,

00:01:37 ►

which is a talk that Bruce Dahmer gave at the Mind States Conference held in Oaxaca, Mexico a couple of years ago.

00:01:44 ►

This isn’t a long presentation, but it builds up to some really interesting questions and ideas. However, Bruce begins this talk by telling a few stories about Terence McKenna that I think you’ll also enjoy.

00:01:52 ►

But it’s Bruce’s idea that the universe may be like the victim of a head concussion

00:01:57 ►

and is slowly waking up and becoming aware of itself that really gets me to thinking about big picture ideas.

00:02:05 ►

And this is an example of what I call psychedelic thinking.

00:02:09 ►

It has nothing to do at all with the ingestion of sacred medicines, but it has everything

00:02:14 ►

to do with an expanded awareness of who and what we are.

00:02:19 ►

And when Bruce gets on a roll, at least for me, it’s always a psychedelic or mind manifesting experience to think

00:02:27 ►

about and expand on his ideas. But enough of my opinions

00:02:31 ►

let’s just listen to Bruce now and you can come to your own conclusions.

00:02:39 ►

What I’m going to do

00:02:40 ►

this is going to take approximately 33 minutes

00:02:43 ►

I talked to bit this morning.

00:02:46 ►

33-minute journey where we’re going to start with, and don’t hold me to that.

00:02:50 ►

You can start throwing the cream pies in 34 minutes.

00:02:55 ►

We’re going to kind of do a journey starting with Terrence McKenna.

00:03:00 ►

I know he keeps getting mentioned here.

00:03:02 ►

We just did a series of lectures at Burning Man called Palenque Norte,

00:03:06 ►

which is the second year that it’s been there.

00:03:08 ►

And they’re in honor of Palenque and in honor of Terrence.

00:03:11 ►

We’re going to kind of go from Terrence,

00:03:14 ►

and then we’re going to go way out into the cosmos.

00:03:17 ►

And we may find him there.

00:03:19 ►

And then we’re going to kind of come back.

00:03:22 ►

And so it’s quite a journey.

00:03:23 ►

I’m sorry it’s the end of the day.

00:03:25 ►

I hope there’s some caffeine molecules

00:03:26 ►

in some of the brains out there that need it.

00:03:31 ►

Terrence, as you may know, died in the year 2000.

00:03:37 ►

I was at Terrence’s house in April of 1999

00:03:40 ►

when he looked terrible.

00:03:43 ►

We did a project with him where we built, his son Finn McKenna

00:03:47 ►

and several other people built a virtual world in cyberspace and he went into this world

00:03:51 ►

and people came in as avatars, as little characters and he did a talk. About 30 people showed

00:03:57 ►

up and he said, you know, I usually travel in a jumbo jet for six hours to talk to an audience of 30 people.

00:04:06 ►

So in the comfort of his home, there he was doing this.

00:04:11 ►

And people wrote trip reports.

00:04:12 ►

He was fascinated by virtual worlds and shared online spaces.

00:04:16 ►

But one of the things that’s interesting is his mind contained such visions that he described.

00:04:21 ►

He said, can these worlds be done?

00:04:24 ►

One of the visions he described was one of dancing Fabergé eggs. I think you’ve probably heard of dancing silvery

00:04:30 ►

Fabergé eggs. I said, Terrence, I don’t think we’re going to get there for a long time in

00:04:35 ►

computer rendering. But, you know, use your, you know, we’ll have to have hope. And he

00:04:41 ►

said, well, the good thing about this stuff is it’s not scheduled yet.

00:04:49 ►

So I was like, yeah, there’s a multi-billion dollar massive multiplayer gaming industry out there that’s not scheduled. Anyway, so at Alchemical Arts, which is a profound conference

00:04:57 ►

because it was the last conference Terrence was able to attend because in May he started

00:05:04 ►

having seizures. In April he told us we were staying with him.

00:05:07 ►

He said, I’m having dreams that I cannot explain.

00:05:10 ►

Now, from anybody else in the world, you’d think, well, you know, you have dreams.

00:05:14 ►

But not for Terence.

00:05:15 ►

Terence really knew the landscape of all things big that could come into his mind.

00:05:20 ►

And he just couldn’t understand these things.

00:05:21 ►

And he started suffering seizures in May.

00:05:25 ►

Went for a scan.

00:05:26 ►

The doctor came into his room and said,

00:05:28 ►

this will seem very ironic to you,

00:05:31 ►

but you have a tumor, a very large one,

00:05:34 ►

the shape of a mushroom.

00:05:36 ►

And Terrence said, this is very ironic.

00:05:39 ►

This tumor is the shape of a mushroom.

00:05:41 ►

But he had less than about 10 months to live.

00:05:44 ►

So we held this conference. And at one point, I don’t know who suggested this,

00:05:48 ►

but Terence laid down on the floor in sort of a circular room,

00:05:51 ►

and we all laid down with our heads pointing toward Terence

00:05:54 ►

to try to conjure up any vision that came to us.

00:05:58 ►

Some people wanted to try to heal him.

00:06:00 ►

I think it was, by this point, literally the physical matter of his brain was dissolving.

00:06:05 ►

The man was dissolving. He was very cognizant to the last moment, but he was kind of coming

00:06:11 ►

apart. And the vision that I conjured into my brain was this sort of Fabergé egg on

00:06:19 ►

the side with shining polygons with their sort of little cushions in there, and there

00:06:23 ►

was a chance that it was going up,

00:06:25 ►

and it was carrying him away.

00:06:27 ►

And I told him later about this,

00:06:30 ►

and somebody said,

00:06:31 ►

that was like Terrence’s getaway car.

00:06:35 ►

Sort of seriousness aside,

00:06:38 ►

well, he was in Marin County for the last few weeks of his life,

00:06:42 ►

people always attending to him,

00:06:43 ►

and when he was really a couple of days from death, having trouble breathing, one of the

00:06:54 ►

things that came over him, suddenly he sat like a romantic poet in the four-poster bed.

00:06:59 ►

He sat bolt up right in bed. And he said, it’s all about love. Now you probably do this all the time, but

00:07:07 ►

understand Terrance was a serious forebrain case, head case. It was all, for

00:07:13 ►

him it was all about words. Words, visions, pictures and you know weaving words

00:07:18 ►

together, just a barred of words. And he turned to somebody and said, you know, I’ve never really been a love bug.

00:07:25 ►

But it strikes me now, because in a sense, the great powerful forebaring of this man

00:07:32 ►

that dissolved, was dissolving, and what was coming up into that was this overwhelming

00:07:37 ►

sense of love as he was approaching death. He said, the whole psychedelic movement, it’s

00:07:42 ►

about love. It’s not about all this other stuff.

00:07:46 ►

It’s about love.

00:07:47 ►

It was pouring through.

00:07:50 ►

And two days later, he was just

00:07:51 ►

in bed, just very, very

00:07:54 ►

little of him left.

00:07:55 ►

And he said, just before he died, he said,

00:07:58 ►

I could have

00:08:00 ►

got this wrong, but he said,

00:08:01 ►

people keep on breathing.

00:08:03 ►

Just keep on breathing.

00:08:05 ►

And that was the last of Terrence McKenna. So from there, in Heroic Ghost Trip, if you come

00:08:15 ►

down to the scene, if you have some kind of an experience where you dissolve, where you’re

00:08:19 ►

gone, how many people felt like they were almost done?

00:08:25 ►

Now those kind of trips tend to strip away, they blow away stuff.

00:08:30 ►

And you come out of the bad phase, or the good phase you might call it,

00:08:34 ►

there’s like nothing left. There’s this little shaking thing that’s just you,

00:08:39 ►

that survived that and it comes into a new territory.

00:08:42 ►

And it’s very open to things, because everything else has been blown away.

00:08:46 ►

And however method you use to get through that phase

00:08:49 ►

is you’re now open.

00:08:51 ►

And I did that once myself

00:08:52 ►

and the words came,

00:08:54 ►

all it needs is love.

00:08:56 ►

The Beatles have told us this,

00:08:58 ►

but a little being wanted just one love.

00:09:03 ►

And so I started to think about the Fabergé eggs and love

00:09:08 ►

and things like that,

00:09:09 ►

and it struck me in the last few years

00:09:12 ►

that the over-self-loving sense of powerful love is so big,

00:09:18 ►

it’s almost bigger than a human being.

00:09:20 ►

It’s bigger than you can make from inside.

00:09:23 ►

And maybe the dancing Fabergé eggs that Terence saw

00:09:26 ►

are so fantastical,

00:09:28 ►

and there’s such a complete universe of these eggs,

00:09:30 ►

it was a civilization of dancing Fabergé eggs,

00:09:33 ►

that it’s almost sort of inconceivable

00:09:36 ►

that the memories that Terence had in his life,

00:09:39 ►

in his day-to-day life,

00:09:40 ►

could add up to making this self-consistent universe he saw.

00:09:46 ►

So I pose the question, does this stuff come from inside our bodies, from the complexity

00:09:52 ►

of our brains and our glial cells and whatever?

00:09:55 ►

It just may.

00:09:56 ►

Does it come from somewhere else?

00:09:59 ►

Now for millennia people have thought, of course there’s an outside, there’s an ether,

00:10:04 ►

there’s a god, there’s an ether, there’s a God,

00:10:05 ►

there’s Mount Zeus, there’s all these explanations for where these things come from.

00:10:09 ►

We’re in a remarkable era, an era of opening of understanding in cosmology,

00:10:17 ►

that I think is so big, when you start to read, if you wade through Scientific American or Discover or whatever,

00:10:23 ►

you start to read these articles and start putting them scientific American or discover whatever, you start to, when you read these articles

00:10:25 ►

and start putting them together, your mind starts to just

00:10:27 ►

like, oh my God, this picture

00:10:30 ►

is emerging. And of course,

00:10:31 ►

everyone’s working in their specialty, but

00:10:33 ►

if you read this stuff, it’s almost

00:10:35 ►

creates a sense of wonder.

00:10:38 ►

Every time you start reading, it’s like, oh my

00:10:39 ►

God, it’s almost a trip comes on because

00:10:42 ►

the picture that’s

00:10:43 ►

emerging of the whole universe and maybe how it began and maybe how it’s going to trip comes on because the picture that’s emerging of the whole universe

00:10:45 ►

and maybe how it began and maybe how it’s going to end

00:10:47 ►

is dumbstrucking.

00:10:50 ►

And so what I want to do is to

00:10:53 ►

kind of try to give you a real short summary of that picture

00:10:57 ►

because it is an awestrucking kind of a thing.

00:11:01 ►

And then maybe try to cast us out far into the future,

00:11:06 ►

maybe to the point of the death of the universe.

00:11:08 ►

Because the universe, it seems,

00:11:10 ►

has a life cycle just like you,

00:11:11 ►

just like a plant or a bird

00:11:13 ►

or in a sense a single star.

00:11:16 ►

The universe has a birth, a life, and a death.

00:11:20 ►

And maybe it would suggest

00:11:21 ►

where some of this stuff,

00:11:23 ►

this big stuff, comes from.

00:11:25 ►

Maybe it comes from somewhere pretty remarkable.

00:11:28 ►

So it seems as though the universe is a sort of self-contained thing, never loses any information.

00:11:35 ►

If you look out into the night sky, you’re looking back billions of years in some cases.

00:11:40 ►

And everything’s still there. I mean, the signals are very faint.

00:11:43 ►

But they’re looking back to periods of the formation of the first stars now.

00:11:47 ►

They’re looking back to the cosmic background radiation,

00:11:50 ►

which was formed at the point of the inflationary Big Bang.

00:11:55 ►

They’re sort of seeing, oh, it’s all there.

00:11:57 ►

The whole movie’s recorded.

00:11:58 ►

There’s nothing that’s been lost.

00:11:59 ►

There’s nothing dribbled over the edge that’s been lost.

00:12:01 ►

There’s no files been deleted.

00:12:04 ►

Sorry for you security people.

00:12:05 ►

It’s all there.

00:12:08 ►

It seems, though, as Professor Arnold Guth has proposed,

00:12:14 ►

that if you add up all the stuff, all the dark matter

00:12:17 ►

and the energy and the positive and negative energy

00:12:20 ►

and whatever, you add it all up, it comes to zero.

00:12:22 ►

Adds to zero.

00:12:23 ►

Sums completely to zero.

00:12:25 ►

So it’s actually,

00:12:26 ►

the universe is nothing

00:12:27 ►

in total.

00:12:28 ►

Space keeps things apart

00:12:30 ►

because if it was all

00:12:31 ►

in one spot,

00:12:32 ►

it would just flip

00:12:33 ►

out of existence.

00:12:34 ►

There’s nothing there.

00:12:35 ►

So space and change

00:12:36 ►

make the dynamism.

00:12:37 ►

But there really is nothing.

00:12:38 ►

Adds to nothing.

00:12:42 ►

And what’s interesting

00:12:43 ►

about all this

00:12:44 ►

is that, you know, how did the universe start?

00:12:48 ►

Well, Goethe says, well, it made us a random quantum fluctuation in a field.

00:12:52 ►

So there was this happy time, the time of Eden, and it was just a quantum field.

00:12:56 ►

Everything was fluctuating properly, and then something didn’t fluctuate properly,

00:13:02 ►

and it unkeeled into the entire universe.

00:13:04 ►

The potential energy was so big, the whole universe is formed.

00:13:06 ►

And maybe what’s happening now is that this horrible pile of junk that appears to be coming

00:13:12 ►

to get cleaned up.

00:13:13 ►

So all these black holes are like, the mechanism is saying, oh, we’ve got to get this mess

00:13:18 ►

cleaned up.

00:13:19 ►

And these black holes are sucking it all back in and everything is sort of vacuum cleaners

00:13:24 ►

have begun.

00:13:25 ►

Maybe that’s the process.

00:13:28 ►

So if that’s the case, is the universe a one-shot error

00:13:32 ►

that’s eventually going to get cleaned up

00:13:34 ►

and will be back to the quantum field?

00:13:39 ►

Now, if the universe could continue to expand

00:13:42 ►

at a faster and faster rate,

00:13:43 ►

it seems to be evidenced by what you can see.

00:13:48 ►

And therefore,

00:13:48 ►

things in the far future,

00:13:50 ►

galaxies will be so far apart

00:13:52 ►

you won’t even be able

00:13:52 ►

to detect each other

00:13:54 ►

and stars will be all brown dwarfs

00:13:55 ►

and the stuff will just be going

00:13:57 ►

almost at the speed of light

00:13:58 ►

and it will basically,

00:13:59 ►

matter and energy,

00:14:00 ►

the whole thing will evaporate

00:14:02 ►

into one big smear.

00:14:03 ►

They’ve all gone.

00:14:04 ►

The other alternative is that there is enough of this dark, unknown matter

00:14:07 ►

to reverse that expansion and pull it back.

00:14:12 ►

When it pulls back, of course, it’s going to, you know,

00:14:16 ►

that universe is moving and changing.

00:14:18 ►

It’s not just sort of sitting there.

00:14:19 ►

It’s always moving.

00:14:20 ►

So either it’s got to be expanding to a complete smear or it’s going to pull back.

00:14:24 ►

When it pulls back, it’s going to collapse down.

00:14:26 ►

It’s like if you were re-injuring Earth’s orbit or someone was crashing in the sun,

00:14:31 ►

it’s being pulled back.

00:14:33 ►

And when it reaches that point, it’s poof, it goes out of existence.

00:14:36 ►

And all the information, everything with it will be gone.

00:14:40 ►

It will all add up to zero.

00:14:41 ►

It will all add up to zero.

00:14:47 ►

So what if, indeed, in this whole process,

00:14:50 ►

if you look at the universe,

00:14:53 ►

you probably could categorize all the stuff out there into two classes of stuff.

00:14:57 ►

Stars, they have birth, life, and death,

00:15:01 ►

but they’re not living things in the way we define it.

00:15:05 ►

If you look back to the very first stars, they’re the same as the stars we have now.

00:15:09 ►

Stars have not evolved. They’ve not created any new structure.

00:15:13 ►

They just sort of appear and they crush a bunch of gases together

00:15:16 ►

and then they do something and then they have a blast

00:15:19 ►

and that would blow the material off and it would become a black hole.

00:15:22 ►

Rocks have been rocks for all time.

00:15:24 ►

Rocks haven’t changed, involved new structures.

00:15:26 ►

And then there’s this funny little thing called life,

00:15:29 ►

which seems to go counter to all that.

00:15:31 ►

And it’s the other classification of stuff.

00:15:34 ►

And where I have this epiphany about this was,

00:15:38 ►

I was down in South Africa in a gold mine about 600 feet down below the surface.

00:15:43 ►

And South Africans are, they’re not, you wouldn’t say they’re risk averse,

00:15:47 ►

they’re risk seeking peoples.

00:15:50 ►

So they love to show off to tourists.

00:15:52 ►

So they have this great steam hammer, jackhammer.

00:15:56 ►

And there you are in this tunnel.

00:15:58 ►

Stuff is drifting down.

00:15:59 ►

It’s dark.

00:16:00 ►

And you’re 600 feet down.

00:16:01 ►

Of course, they’ve gone down for miles.

00:16:03 ►

And it’s hot.

00:16:04 ►

And they’re banging away on the side of the tunnel,

00:16:07 ►

chipping away some more gold.

00:16:09 ►

It’s saying,

00:16:10 ►

Satan, here’s some gold

00:16:12 ►

and it’s oxidizing

00:16:13 ►

because there wasn’t any oxygen in the atmosphere

00:16:16 ►

when this gold was laid down in a reef.

00:16:18 ►

Just a little bit, some pieces.

00:16:21 ►

And you’re in there and you’re shaking

00:16:22 ►

and the beams are shaking

00:16:23 ►

and you’re thinking,

00:16:24 ►

this whole thing’s going to come down and crush my body. And the gold reef, which was

00:16:29 ►

mined for a century, created great wealth in southern Africa, was 2 billion years old.

00:16:36 ►

No oxygen in the atmosphere 2 billion years ago, not enough for you. And I had this sort

00:16:42 ►

of epiphany that, so what? The mountain can come down and crush my bloody little body.

00:16:47 ►

There’ll be no remnant of it left.

00:16:49 ►

But I’ll tell you, the DNA in my cells is tougher and more persistent

00:16:55 ►

than this gold reef, Africa, most star systems,

00:17:02 ►

i.e. for three point some billion years,

00:17:05 ►

there’s little sequences of information that have been coded.

00:17:08 ►

They’re coded in every cell in your body.

00:17:09 ►

They’re unchanged.

00:17:10 ►

They go back.

00:17:11 ►

They march back billions of years.

00:17:13 ►

A mechanism called life is able to fight against all this crud and entropy

00:17:18 ►

and fires and brimstone and preserve this little piece of information forward,

00:17:22 ►

and it’s called reproduction.

00:17:23 ►

It’s called life.

00:17:25 ►

And that process is tougher, it outlives the life of most stars.

00:17:31 ►

It’s certainly older and tougher and more resilient

00:17:34 ►

than all the configurations of the continents.

00:17:37 ►

So in the middle of this great machine that’s the universe,

00:17:40 ►

if you can think of the machine,

00:17:42 ►

you have this tiny process that fights

00:17:45 ►

against the odds and wins in the universal game to a point.

00:17:51 ►

I’ll digress for a moment.

00:17:54 ►

I have a, this whole thing is a digression.

00:17:58 ►

There’s a fellow named Chris Lampton, and many of you may know him, who started the

00:18:02 ►

artificial life field of research. He started that field because one day, I think he fell out of a hang gl him, he started the artificial life field research.

00:18:07 ►

He started that field because one day,

00:18:09 ►

I think he fell out of a hang glider.

00:18:10 ►

He told me he was in a coma for two months.

00:18:13 ►

And this guy, his photo,

00:18:14 ►

broken almost every bone in his body. He did form that.

00:18:17 ►

He likes to work with concrete, things like this.

00:18:19 ►

He built tree houses.

00:18:21 ►

And he told me that in the second month,

00:18:26 ►

as he started to come out of a coma,

00:18:32 ►

he started to sense his consciousness rebooting, coming back. And he said, it was like phases.

00:18:36 ►

There was one bit, and then another bit, and another bit. And I started to know I had a body, and then I rebooted. And I realized my consciousness was built out of emergent

00:18:41 ►

bits that just came together and started talking to each other, and another one was

00:18:44 ►

talking and heard.

00:18:46 ►

And I said to Chris, well, what was the thing that was watching and feeling yourself rebooting?

00:18:51 ►

Was it sort of outside of you?

00:18:54 ►

And he said, it’s a curious idea.

00:18:56 ►

But it led to the idea that what if the universe, as this great big mass of stuff,

00:19:01 ►

has managed to create little bits of life here and there.

00:19:06 ►

Some of them go beyond the bacterial level and become more complex.

00:19:10 ►

Some of them start to look out at the universe and become aware of it.

00:19:14 ►

And they even communicate with other chunks of life here and there.

00:19:18 ►

What if the universe, like Chris Langton’s brain,

00:19:20 ►

is gradually booting up an awareness of itself?

00:19:24 ►

Why would it do this? Why would it do this?

00:19:26 ►

Why would it do this?

00:19:27 ►

Well, every living thing seems to be,

00:19:32 ►

you know, we have pigs,

00:19:33 ►

and we have them anesthetized to get their tusks cut off.

00:19:38 ►

It was a horrible thing when they came out of anesthetic

00:19:40 ►

because a pig is an animal that wants to be on its feet at all times.

00:19:45 ►

If it can’t stand up, it’s going to bash its head against it

00:19:48 ►

hundreds of times against every surface known

00:19:50 ►

unless you can get to it and sit on it

00:19:52 ►

because it’s trying to come back to consciousness

00:19:54 ►

and it knows what the right state for a pig should be

00:19:57 ►

and it’s going to go crazy until it can be in the right state

00:20:00 ►

which is on all fours.

00:20:02 ►

And so watching the pig’s emergent consciousness

00:20:05 ►

come back is a frightening thing.

00:20:06 ►

I mean, you want to run out of the pen.

00:20:09 ►

I mean, you’re going to get killed.

00:20:10 ►

It’s just a terrible thing.

00:20:12 ►

So in a sense, the universe is coming to consciousness.

00:20:16 ►

There’s a certain urgency.

00:20:18 ►

And what is that urgency?

00:20:19 ►

Just like any living thing, it’s its own life.

00:20:23 ►

It wants to be alive. It wants to know itself, but it wants to survive.

00:20:27 ►

Well, what is its doom?

00:20:30 ►

Well, its doom probably is the collapse.

00:20:33 ►

So, in a sense, is the universe trying to boot itself into consciousness

00:20:37 ►

before it collapses back down?

00:20:42 ►

Now, consider, when you’re a little blastule, when your egg has had the sperm

00:20:49 ►

and it’s starting to duplicate and replicate, little ball forms of cells, and it gets to

00:20:55 ►

a certain size. A researcher friend of mine has written a giant tome about observing sonic

00:21:01 ►

waves going back and forth across this embryo.

00:21:07 ►

And they’re very complex, and they’re studying them.

00:21:09 ►

Because, of course, the key question in the embryo is,

00:21:11 ►

what starts cell differentiation?

00:21:15 ►

Why does the whole thing start turning into a cup,

00:21:18 ►

and then you get your gut on the inside and your outside on the outside?

00:21:20 ►

What really starts that?

00:21:24 ►

And it seems he claims that there’s complex sonic waves. Well, in the birth of the universe, up claims that it’s, there’s complex sonic waves.

00:21:29 ►

Well, in the birth of the universe, up to a certain period, the universe was a gas.

00:21:33 ►

And massive sound waves were reverberating across the universe.

00:21:37 ►

And they were creating the structure of sheet walls of galaxies and everything you see.

00:21:41 ►

And you can see that structure from satellites launched recently like WMAP.

00:21:45 ►

So at a certain point, just like in an embryo,

00:21:47 ►

the universe was a giant voice.

00:21:48 ►

And then it went silent.

00:21:50 ►

All the parts separated.

00:21:52 ►

There was no way to get sound waves across.

00:21:55 ►

Of course, we live in a gas ball too.

00:21:57 ►

Is it a coincidence that having a gas or a liquid

00:21:58 ►

as a medium for resonant communication

00:22:01 ►

seems to be present to make structure?

00:22:07 ►

That’s one idea.

00:22:14 ►

So consider, if the universe is going into its collapse phase, it’s coming back down,

00:22:20 ►

what is happening? Maybe the largest engineering project undertaken in the universe, which is the sentient beings, the percentage of the universe which is actually organized into life is increasing.

00:22:27 ►

It’s up to half a percent,

00:22:29 ►

or something like that, which would be enormous.

00:22:31 ►

It’s up to half a percent, and this collapse is occurring.

00:22:34 ►

There’s a couple hundred thousand years left.

00:22:36 ►

What has to happen?

00:22:37 ►

Well, the sentient races are actually now quite physically close.

00:22:42 ►

Indeed, the period in which the universe will be again

00:22:45 ►

in a gas is coming,

00:22:47 ►

where the entire thing is going to be connected

00:22:49 ►

sonically again.

00:22:52 ►

Well, if the universe has managed

00:22:54 ►

to convert a percentage

00:22:56 ►

of itself into an aware

00:22:58 ►

stratum,

00:23:00 ►

those beings, of course,

00:23:02 ►

have to make a decision.

00:23:03 ►

Do we work together as a team because we know the inevitable?

00:23:07 ►

Or do we carry on what we’ve always been doing as we do on this planet,

00:23:11 ►

fight with each other, argue over budget and allocations and resources and culture and difference?

00:23:18 ►

Or do we try to save the whole thing?

00:23:21 ►

Can you picture in some future universe entering the gas phase

00:23:25 ►

and there’s this glowing cloud

00:23:27 ►

and the glowing cloud is getting brighter and brighter

00:23:30 ►

because it’s actually the ignition of the sentience

00:23:32 ►

and what are they doing?

00:23:34 ►

to do the engineering job of saving the universe

00:23:37 ►

from final annihilation

00:23:38 ►

they have to do something pretty unusual

00:23:41 ►

they have to sacrifice themselves completely

00:23:43 ►

all those civilizations all that history all those beings have to sacrifice themselves completely. All those civilizations,

00:23:45 ►

all that history, all those beings have to give themselves over, dissolve themselves,

00:23:50 ►

like Terence’s brain dissolving, to create a single entity. A single entity that can

00:23:56 ►

live and exist long enough in this collapsing universe to figure it out. So, a baby is born.

00:24:07 ►

figure it out. So, a baby is born. An ignition happens, the gas phase is there, there’s enough

00:24:15 ►

there, and the whole universe is now a single conscious entity. Now, like any baby, if you’ve

00:24:23 ►

had kids, they all think they’re the universe, right? At the beginning. Air everything, to the center of everything is nothing else,

00:24:25 ►

there’s no other demands.

00:24:26 ►

So there would be a period, indeed,

00:24:28 ►

where this universe is actually this tremendous creation of love,

00:24:32 ►

because the only way it could be created is in complete love.

00:24:36 ►

Anything else, anything short,

00:24:37 ►

would create something not whole enough to do this job.

00:24:40 ►

So this baby is created and born in love.

00:24:44 ►

The baby has many abilities. The

00:24:46 ►

baby must start feeding. This baby feeds on knowledge. And where’s the knowledge? It’s

00:24:52 ►

totally contained within the conscious universe. The universe didn’t lose anything. It’s able

00:24:56 ►

to look back and look back at you sitting here, look back at everything and try to figure

00:25:02 ►

out where its family is, where did it come from, and why is it here, why is it created?

00:25:09 ►

And it has a little time, and like any sentient species,

00:25:13 ►

things are left to the damn last minute.

00:25:15 ►

So the whole project was delivered at the last minute,

00:25:19 ►

so that the baby has figured out,

00:25:22 ►

ooh, I’m getting really comfortable because I’m getting smaller and smaller,

00:25:25 ►

and ooh, bad news, I’m about to be doomed.

00:25:30 ►

The great crime of all this

00:25:32 ►

is the oneness was established that we all seek,

00:25:34 ►

we all seek to be part of it,

00:25:35 ►

and it’s about to be extinguished.

00:25:37 ►

The baby has to use every deductive power,

00:25:42 ►

it has to call back through time

00:25:44 ►

for every piece of support it can get

00:25:46 ►

to figure out how to save everything.

00:25:48 ►

Now, why would it save everything?

00:25:50 ►

Why would it have to say,

00:25:51 ►

that’s fine, it was a great life,

00:25:52 ►

oh, well, it’s the prerogative of life.

00:25:56 ►

It’s going to make that decision

00:25:57 ►

to preserve the investment,

00:25:59 ►

to preserve the legacy,

00:26:01 ►

to go on, just have a future.

00:26:03 ►

So the baby works it out.

00:26:06 ►

The baby sees physics and sees how it can do this job.

00:26:10 ►

And what does it do?

00:26:11 ►

It starts to turn its body.

00:26:13 ►

It has all the resources that it can call.

00:26:15 ►

It can, every molecule, every wave of energy, it can muster.

00:26:20 ►

As this collapse occurs, it starts to turn almost like a dancer or a skater.

00:26:25 ►

Because it knows, having worked out everything,

00:26:28 ►

that if it turns fast enough, it can kind of pull itself apart

00:26:31 ►

and pull the big blob, which is about to collapse, into two blobs.

00:26:37 ►

So a gigantic cell mitosis happens.

00:26:40 ►

Two blobs, two bits of what was once one being are now rotating like this.

00:26:47 ►

It’s not the end of the story because those two pieces are so big that they’re going to implode into inviolate weight and destroy most of what was there.

00:26:55 ►

So those two pieces have to mic-tose, and again, and again, and again,

00:26:59 ►

until you have the safe level of the blastula that forms in every living being, including the main

00:27:05 ►

you. That ball forms, where each component can stand alone and can survive on its own.

00:27:15 ►

So where would the universe to? That’s the second phase of the universe. What is it?

00:27:20 ►

It’s now a colony. It’s now a society. Complete consciousness.

00:27:28 ►

But it has lost the one thing that had always been dreamed of,

00:27:30 ►

which was total unity.

00:27:32 ►

It’s now a community again.

00:27:36 ►

And now it has to work with all those things that communities do,

00:27:38 ►

including aloneness for the individuals.

00:27:43 ►

So where that second phase, that second life of the universe,

00:27:46 ►

should it achieve it, who knows where it goes.

00:27:50 ►

Does it try to figure out how to make another quantum wiggle?

00:27:52 ►

It’s hard to know.

00:27:58 ►

I’m trying to bring this back to Earth a little bit.

00:28:09 ►

So, in a sense, one of the weird things about all this, the new work on string theory and other things is you might think, well, that’s a remote event.

00:28:13 ►

It’s like the great quake, you know, we won’t think about it and it’s way out.

00:28:17 ►

Well, in some interpretations of string theory, we’re kind of living along several string

00:28:22 ►

dimensions which resonate in a certain way, but there’s so many dimensions that, in fact,

00:28:27 ►

all events that happened in the past and happen in the future are happening at once.

00:28:32 ►

What you’re living in is a mesh.

00:28:34 ►

And it’s kind of like a mesh that comes out.

00:28:36 ►

You see big bang, big crunch, or something like this is one of the pictures drawn.

00:28:41 ►

Then, in fact, you’re inside the resonance of things that are happening at the same time.

00:28:45 ►

Everything’s happening at once.

00:28:47 ►

So in fact, the event of the formation of that being, and that being’s looking back,

00:28:53 ►

is happening all the time.

00:28:56 ►

You’re just getting little cracked visions of that, little gaps where that comes through

00:29:01 ►

every once in a while.

00:29:05 ►

gaps where that comes through every once in a while, and that the power that you feel when love comes through you, or when you see something and you have a vision that seems

00:29:11 ►

to be completely out of this world, could it be coming from that future, present event

00:29:20 ►

that is occurring, that you’re just tapping into, that you’re just opening a little door to?

00:29:26 ►

That’s the question.

00:29:27 ►

Could that be where that is coming from?

00:29:30 ►

And are you part of that great project the universe is trying to do,

00:29:33 ►

which is to know itself and to then save itself,

00:29:38 ►

and the only way is through love?

00:29:40 ►

And would somebody like Jesus Christ have been a human being

00:29:43 ►

that just happened to be born with an open valve,

00:29:48 ►

or maybe Buddha or Muhammad, an open valve to that massive form out there, or in there, that is this universal love.

00:30:00 ►

And that as a human being, they didn’t kind of shut it off.

00:30:03 ►

They didn’t kind of like, you know, do the shutdown and all.

00:30:07 ►

Gee, that’s too powerful. I’m scared about that.

00:30:09 ►

They just simply, they couldn’t help themselves.

00:30:12 ►

It just came out in blasting out.

00:30:14 ►

And that’s the way they live.

00:30:16 ►

They’re tied into that all the time.

00:30:18 ►

It’s a question.

00:30:21 ►

So in a sense, Terrence having the, and we talked about autism and we talked about shutting

00:30:30 ►

down parts of the brain to see other, to have other things emerge.

00:30:34 ►

As Terrence’s brain dissolved, literally physically dissolved, what came rushing up through him

00:30:41 ►

was this tremendously powerful feeling about love

00:30:45 ►

that he could hardly barely communicate and maybe Terrance’s leaving us allowed

00:30:51 ►

him to melt into that space into that project to join that project so

00:31:00 ►

maybe that while he was here like all people who create communication with a resonant voice or make music and create a resonant vibration with other humans through love, they’re part of maybe that great project.

00:31:16 ►

And maybe Terrence melted into that project or was taken back into that project, that did come to him in the end.

00:31:27 ►

The last point, this is kind of a strange one, is that in your, why did the universe create human beings?

00:31:34 ►

This human brain, and we talk a lot about the brain,

00:31:38 ►

I’ve been told that there are more discrete pathways through the brain than there are exist,

00:31:44 ►

than there are countable particles in the universe down to the quantum level.

00:31:47 ►

So the numbers are very big in this thing,

00:31:51 ►

this gray jelly mass that’s been created into us.

00:31:56 ►

So the universe has actually created a machine or a mechanism

00:32:00 ►

that can contain a substantial portion of the vision of the whole universe.

00:32:09 ►

And that maybe that’s part of, from the single cell,

00:32:13 ►

that’s part of the drive is to create a machine

00:32:16 ►

that is able to be large enough

00:32:18 ►

that it can look out into the cosmos

00:32:19 ►

and start by bits and pieces and fits and starts

00:32:22 ►

to put together the whole picture.

00:32:23 ►

John Wheeler, the physicist and contemporary of Dick Feynman,

00:32:27 ►

says perhaps the universe is something that’s created observers

00:32:31 ►

in order to then create the reality of itself,

00:32:35 ►

that the observation and the reality go step by step

00:32:38 ►

so that if you get observers emerging,

00:32:41 ►

more structure emerges in the universe at the same time.

00:32:44 ►

So maybe your brain, you’ve got two things going for you.

00:32:48 ►

Your brain is maybe big enough to get a rendering of a fraction of the universe, the whole thing,

00:32:54 ►

to accept, not burn out like Johnny Mnemonic, but accept visions and things that are large

00:33:01 ►

enough sort of in a sense like a camera obscura.

00:33:06 ►

You can see the little fragments, and they’re actually,

00:33:08 ►

your brain’s big enough to carry those fragments that are very large.

00:33:12 ►

And the second thing is that you, through DNA and through the graciousness of our sun being so stable

00:33:18 ►

and not going through any dangerous parts of the galaxy for the last four billion years,

00:33:26 ►

the galaxy for the last 4 billion years, your DNA has allowed you to go back 4 billion years and to journey around 65 times around the galaxy, etc. and that you’ve survived and

00:33:32 ►

given this incredible legacy of stability to evolve to this point so that you can be

00:33:39 ►

a camera obscura on something. And because you’re here at this conference, what you’re seeking

00:33:45 ►

is a connection with some greater thing. I mean, you take psychedelic, psychotropic to

00:33:50 ►

tap into that. Well, maybe you’re part of a great project that is unfolding as we speak

00:33:59 ►

and that you’re citizens of. I know it’s a wacky idea, but I, in a sense,

00:34:06 ►

after reading all this

00:34:08 ►

cosmology stuff,

00:34:10 ►

I kind of tend to

00:34:11 ►

want to believe that more than

00:34:13 ►

traditional religious explanations.

00:34:16 ►

Because, my goodness,

00:34:17 ►

people who looked at the night sky

00:34:19 ►

and followed leaders in

00:34:21 ►

white garb and whatnot

00:34:23 ►

didn’t have this knowledge.

00:34:25 ►

And if they did, it would have blown their minds.

00:34:26 ►

They would have said,

00:34:27 ►

oh, we’ll create a bigger vision for human spirituality

00:34:30 ►

if we had that knowledge.

00:34:32 ►

And some of them had that knowledge tacitly.

00:34:34 ►

Some of the indigenous peoples did have

00:34:37 ►

a more profound knowledge of where we are in the universe,

00:34:41 ►

and we give them credit for it.

00:34:43 ►

So anyway, I hope that that’s… and I think Terrence is out there.

00:34:49 ►

So if you want to reach him, I think you can reach him through love at this point.

00:34:55 ►

That’s his last message.

00:34:57 ►

And keep breathing.

00:34:59 ►

So thank you.

00:34:59 ►

Thank you.

00:35:11 ►

You know, I’ve heard Bruce talk about the universe waking up before,

00:35:15 ►

but with the metaphor of a person coming out of a coma,

00:35:18 ►

it is finally coming into focus for me.

00:35:22 ►

Now I’m looking forward to going back and replaying that short talk to see if I’m finally grokking this big idea

00:35:25 ►

that Bruce has passed along to us.

00:35:28 ►

But before I do that, I want to play something else for you.

00:35:31 ►

As you probably know, a few weeks ago, my wife and I spent several days at Ancient Oaks Farm

00:35:36 ►

visiting with Bruce.

00:35:38 ►

And one evening, we were joined by Chris, a friend of ours from the Bay Area.

00:35:42 ►

And after we’d been talking for an hour or so, we decided to turn on the MP3 recorder

00:35:48 ►

and capture a few of the ideas that we’d been kicking around.

00:35:51 ►

As you’ll hear, I was in the middle of making soup and serving it,

00:35:55 ►

which adds a few sound effects of spoons clinking on bowls.

00:35:59 ►

But overall, I think there are a few little gems here that are really worth saving.

00:36:04 ►

In particular, I want to be sure that you hear what Bruce has to say about the toll that online multitasking takes on our nervous systems.

00:36:13 ►

My guess is that many of us spend far too much time in front of our computers.

00:36:18 ►

And the end result may be that we’re actually rewiring our nervous systems in some way.

00:36:24 ►

Now, I’m not saying this is bad or good, it just is.

00:36:28 ►

But it is something that I feel we should all at least be aware of, something to pay

00:36:32 ►

attention to.

00:36:33 ►

I do know that we have a very sizable number of fellow salonners who live in China, and

00:36:38 ►

it may be that some of them are working in one of the gaming sweatshops, or they might

00:36:43 ►

know someone who is.

00:36:44 ►

And if that’s the case, I hope you take Bruce’s warnings to heart, because we certainly Some of them are working in one of the gaming sweatshops, or they might know someone who is.

00:36:48 ►

And if that’s the case, I hope you take Bruce’s warnings to heart,

00:36:52 ►

because we certainly can’t afford to lose someone who is still in their 20s.

00:36:56 ►

There may not be any alternative in some cases,

00:36:59 ►

simply because it’s the only work you can find to support your family.

00:37:05 ►

But I hope that you and your friends are also working on plans for some kind of a web-based business that you can transition into and get your eyes and brains away from these computer screens on such an intense basis.

00:37:13 ►

Of course, there’s also the possibility that some of these whiz kids already have next-century nervous systems,

00:37:20 ►

as Timothy Leary speculated in a recent podcast.

00:37:23 ►

says Timothy Leary speculated in a recent podcast.

00:37:30 ►

It’s not really possible to say what’s going on with all of this intensive information overload we’re experiencing,

00:37:33 ►

but something’s really different right now, that’s for sure.

00:37:40 ►

So let’s take a listen to a small part of a long conversation that took place one cool evening among the tall trees at Ancient Oaks Farm.

00:37:43 ►

among the tall trees at Ancient Oaks Farm.

00:37:50 ►

Here’s where it’s the double-edged sword that we’re on that wasn’t predicted by any of these people.

00:37:54 ►

Nobody, no one predicted the day-to-day user experience of these systems.

00:38:01 ►

They saw the intensity of it and the way that,

00:38:04 ►

well, here’s how it works. And we can go redo

00:38:08 ►

some of the earlier stuff for recording. But you’re sitting there, your eyes are going here,

00:38:15 ►

here, here, here, here, here. What that’s doing, if you’re in the wild, if you are a proto-human

00:38:21 ►

or a native person in the wild in the New Guinea jungle

00:38:25 ►

and your eyes are doing this,

00:38:27 ►

it sends a signal to the body that there’s

00:38:29 ►

danger and that you’re

00:38:31 ►

on the lookout and it drives

00:38:33 ►

your cortisol production

00:38:35 ►

and it drives your adrenal system

00:38:37 ►

because it’s like

00:38:39 ►

that is a… It’s stimulation.

00:38:41 ►

It’s stimulation and it creates the wired

00:38:43 ►

effect. And so all these people who, like Stuart Brand or others, or David Ardand,

00:38:51 ►

would think of the abstract, wonderful thing of unifying a global village,

00:38:58 ►

Doug Engelbart’s vision, they would think about that,

00:39:00 ►

but they did not understand the day-to-day that people who were running 10, 20, 16 hours a day in front of the screens doing that,

00:39:09 ►

the change that it would make in that.

00:39:12 ►

Nobody understood that.

00:39:13 ►

No one predicted that.

00:39:16 ►

And so when…

00:39:17 ►

There’s nothing that compelling in the beginning to keep you there that long.

00:39:20 ►

At Xerox PARC there was.

00:39:21 ►

So at Xerox PARC on the link, Mary Allen Wilkes in 1965,

00:39:26 ►

the first person to have a computer in a private home,

00:39:29 ►

brought this link, you know, 600 pounds of computer home,

00:39:33 ►

plug it into the wall, you know, because it worked on 110 power.

00:39:36 ►

She would stay up all night writing this operating system.

00:39:38 ►

A woman wrote the first operating system on the first personal computer.

00:39:41 ►

Wow.

00:39:41 ►

So she was the first to get wired.

00:39:43 ►

She was the first person to get wired at home

00:39:46 ►

and to have a computer of her own.

00:39:49 ►

This is long before the home broke,

00:39:51 ►

long before Steve Wozniak, Steve Jobs.

00:39:53 ►

That’s why we did the link restoration project,

00:39:55 ►

to find who did this, who first experienced this.

00:39:59 ►

And there was a guy who came who had been a link programmer.

00:40:02 ►

He said, yeah.

00:40:04 ►

In 63, 64, he would be in his link, and he would look up, and it was dawn.

00:40:10 ►

And he was like, but you know what?

00:40:12 ►

It was a great all-nighters, all-nighters coding,

00:40:16 ►

because the machine responded to you, and the tapes moved,

00:40:18 ►

and there’s graphics, and it was yours, and it was fast.

00:40:23 ►

And they would look up up and it was sunlight.

00:40:25 ►

And no one had ever gone through that experience before,

00:40:28 ►

and these were the pioneers that did that, this fellow in Mary Ellen Wilkes,

00:40:31 ►

and people who used the link, John Lilly’s group,

00:40:34 ►

the link was actually taken away from him because he wasn’t using it properly,

00:40:40 ►

but it’s another story.

00:40:43 ►

And they were like, there’s the dolphin pool, there’s the cable,

00:40:48 ►

and there’s the computer there.

00:40:50 ►

Water can get in, so they’re going to fry the machine.

00:40:53 ►

It’s not in a good position.

00:40:55 ►

They’re trying to use it as a sensor to record them.

00:40:57 ►

Anyway, so the link was where it started, that experience.

00:41:03 ►

And one could say that radio electronics buffs were doing that kind of thing.

00:41:08 ►

And it was there before.

00:41:10 ►

So the beginning of this intense human personal interaction with a machine,

00:41:17 ►

it seems like a piece of your brain.

00:41:19 ►

It’s a piece of your personality.

00:41:22 ►

Steve Wozniak described it as little universes that you completely create and shape.

00:41:28 ►

It’s like an extension of your own mind.

00:41:31 ►

That was brand new.

00:41:33 ►

And that was seductive and very addictive.

00:41:35 ►

And people created the whole world in there.

00:41:38 ►

And nobody understood that it’s like exposing you to the most powerful drug ever given to primates,

00:41:47 ►

which wasn’t alcohol, it’s not nicotine, it’s not MDMA, it’s not LSD, it’s the computer

00:41:54 ►

human interaction, it’s the most powerful, profound, because it is a cortisol-producing

00:41:59 ►

machine, and it is a brain-transforming, all-transforming machine.

00:42:06 ►

machine and it is a brain transforming all transforming machine and so we’re in this experiment and i call it with lorenzo you remember i wrote the essay right a giant unplanned experiment

00:42:13 ►

on you oh right yeah that’s online that’s what the day that’s one of the first things that you

00:42:19 ►

put on your site right right 2001 or something um so we’re in the middle of a giant unplanned experiment on the entire

00:42:27 ►

human race. And on the positive side, on the

00:42:31 ►

Aquarian positive vision, is yes,

00:42:35 ►

it has transformed humanity into this single grid of

00:42:39 ►

almost like a single thought bubble. A single

00:42:43 ►

you know, stuff flies around the net.

00:42:46 ►

So hoaxes fly around the net, make people afraid of everything.

00:42:51 ►

But also they’re aware of, say, the situation in Tibet instantly.

00:42:56 ►

I think it can be covered up by governments for any length of time.

00:43:00 ►

Right.

00:43:00 ►

And there’s so much information no one can control it.

00:43:03 ►

And so you’ve got all of that.

00:43:07 ►

But the flip side is you have this this this this exposure to the nuclear reactor that is the that is this environment.

00:43:17 ►

And I think it’s almost like everyone smoked cigarettes in the late 1940s because it’s just a stylish thing to do. So the entire population is exposed to this incredibly hazardous carcinogen.

00:43:30 ►

Or, oh, it’s all right that you’re in a coal mine or you’re burning coal in the 19th century in London.

00:43:37 ►

It’s just a coal smog.

00:43:39 ►

Whatever huge danger to the public that they only realized and cleaned the thing up.

00:43:47 ►

Long after.

00:43:48 ►

Long after.

00:43:49 ►

And it took generations to understand the effects.

00:43:53 ►

And so I think we’re in that right now.

00:43:56 ►

And you guys are people who weren’t brought up with this.

00:44:01 ►

Thank you.

00:44:01 ►

It’s been a huge pleasure.

00:44:03 ►

You weren’t brought up with it.

00:44:05 ►

I came into it in my teens

00:44:08 ►

and the generation down,

00:44:12 ►

one generation down from me, came into it

00:44:15 ►

with unwired, un-networked

00:44:18 ►

machines. Then the generation next is now

00:44:21 ►

totally wired on the web, instant messaging, cell phones,

00:44:24 ►

mobile, from birth. Generation next is now the totally wired on the web instant message and cell phones, mobile.

00:44:25 ►

From birth.

00:44:25 ►

From birth.

00:44:36 ►

And so we’re in that continuum, and we won’t know the effects on the from birthers for several more generations.

00:44:41 ►

And I think that this is one of the themes that I’d like to talk about.

00:44:46 ►

And Larry and McKenna and whatnot had the upside.

00:44:51 ►

They talked about the upside, but didn’t understand the cost.

00:44:57 ►

So any sufficiently powerful technology is indistinguishable from magic,

00:45:02 ►

but it also has the double-edged sword of doing the greatest good and has the potential of doing enormous harm.

00:45:07 ►

And this one is going to do both.

00:45:10 ►

Most of our technologies have kind of gotten away from us.

00:45:12 ►

They always do.

00:45:16 ►

And this one we’ve rushed into so fast.

00:45:24 ►

And when you think of your lifestyle changes, I mean, the positive aquarium benefit is I can be here on the farm and make a living

00:45:25 ►

and draw in income without having to drive over the hill,

00:45:28 ►

and I can bring a whole community together here in a beautiful rural setting

00:45:32 ►

and make it happen without having a private fortune coming from an inherited parent or something like that.

00:45:41 ►

I can do it.

00:45:42 ►

I can draw in support, and I can draw in people

00:45:45 ►

and make everything happen.

00:45:46 ►

It’s wonderful.

00:45:48 ►

But I think of the gold diggers in China.

00:45:53 ►

The gold diggers are these guys

00:45:55 ►

that work in these…

00:45:56 ►

The grippies?

00:45:57 ►

Well, they’re in sweatshops

00:45:58 ►

that are game-playing sweatshops.

00:46:01 ►

So if you are in World of Warcraft,

00:46:03 ►

you hire a gold digger in China

00:46:06 ►

to play the game up to a level

00:46:08 ►

to make your character

00:46:09 ►

become stronger.

00:46:12 ►

And they’ll play like 20 hours

00:46:13 ►

at a time and win all the way up. So

00:46:15 ►

you’re now more prestigious.

00:46:18 ►

They have sleeping quarters, don’t they?

00:46:20 ►

Yeah. And those guys,

00:46:21 ►

their brains are fried

00:46:24 ►

when they’re like 25, 26.

00:46:27 ►

They’re fried.

00:46:28 ►

That uses up their future potentials used up.

00:46:33 ►

It’s wiped out by that.

00:46:35 ►

Just like currency traders, by the time they’re 26, 27 years old, they’re not good anymore.

00:46:42 ►

They’ve used up their quota.

00:46:41 ►

they’re not good anymore.

00:46:44 ►

They’ve used up their quota.

00:46:47 ►

And they were really good when they were 22 and they were trading $100 billion a day

00:46:49 ►

on the currency markets.

00:46:51 ►

But they really are…

00:46:53 ►

They’re washed up.

00:46:54 ►

They’re the last.

00:46:55 ►

Isn’t that interesting?

00:46:56 ►

The brains are fried.

00:46:57 ►

They’re fried.

00:46:58 ►

Currency traders, gamers,

00:47:01 ►

they lose their edge

00:47:03 ►

before fighter pilots, athletes, you know, it’s the mind.

00:47:09 ►

Yeah. And so how many people just in jobs, you know, forget about just in regular day to day boring jobs,

00:47:19 ►

they maintain a bank’s ATM system, writing Web 2.0 Apps as a Consultant.

00:47:26 ►

There’s now talk of this blogger burnout.

00:47:29 ►

There was a blogger, two bloggers who committed suicide.

00:47:32 ►

Really?

00:47:32 ►

Yeah, in the last six months or so.

00:47:37 ►

They’re paid by the paragraph.

00:47:39 ►

I read that.

00:47:40 ►

You read that?

00:47:41 ►

Well, no, the guy in…

00:47:43 ►

Cat wants out.

00:47:46 ►

I told you. A fascinating story. I read it. You read that? Well, no, the guy in… Cat wants out. I told you.

00:47:47 ►

The fascinating story, I read it in Wire.

00:47:49 ►

The two guys killed themselves in almost identical manners.

00:47:54 ►

And they had big online…

00:47:57 ►

Yeah.

00:47:57 ►

I mean, they feel like they’re committed, but they just can’t maintain it.

00:48:00 ►

And they get depressed.

00:48:01 ►

Yeah, what happens is you can sleep, but you’re still, the news is running 24 hours a day,

00:48:07 ►

and you have to, if you’re going to be the top dog and earn the money,

00:48:10 ►

and they don’t earn a whole lot.

00:48:11 ►

I mean, they might earn 70 grand, maybe a few earn six figures, but it’s almost nothing.

00:48:16 ►

And they have to be writing all the time and catching those stories that are coming in so quickly.

00:48:22 ►

If they’re like, we’re working for Engadget, which tracks new hardware and stuff.

00:48:28 ►

And it’s a young man’s game, but it’s a total burnout game.

00:48:34 ►

And so the network and the demands of it eat you alive.

00:48:39 ►

And so those people are casualties.

00:48:41 ►

So on the positive aquarium side side news this this mission that the

00:48:47 ►

news is there and it’s it’s an amazing wondrous thing on the negative side it

00:48:51 ►

chews people up if you could balance the Aquarian energy of work you have the

00:48:55 ►

advantages of global connectivity and how information but also have the human

00:49:03 ►

empathy and the ability to disconnect

00:49:05 ►

and get together like, you know, face to face.

00:49:07 ►

And that’s what a lot of the people in our audience is.

00:49:12 ►

They’re crazy.

00:49:13 ►

And there’s no guide.

00:49:15 ►

How do we find the others?

00:49:16 ►

You know, there’s no way.

00:49:17 ►

That’s why these little mini dialogues.

00:49:20 ►

That’s going to help here.

00:49:21 ►

You know, I don’t really think I believe this,

00:49:29 ►

but it’s a new thought that popped in that I need to chew on a little bit. I think a lot about why do our brains have these receptors that are perfectly matched with these psychedelic plants that are there?

00:49:41 ►

Now, what’s the purpose?

00:49:43 ►

Now, that’s one topic.

00:49:41 ►

that’s there.

00:49:42 ►

Now, what’s the purpose?

00:49:44 ►

Now, that’s one topic.

00:49:47 ►

Another topic is what you’ve been talking about is how we humans that are getting so wired

00:49:50 ►

are just getting out of balance.

00:49:54 ►

And perhaps there is some down-the-road match

00:49:59 ►

between a use for the psychedelics

00:50:02 ►

to get people back into that human thing.

00:50:05 ►

That’s an idea because certainly for me, when I’ve taken things,

00:50:10 ►

and I don’t say what, I mean, it really has been like an acupuncture.

00:50:14 ►

Acupuncture can do it too.

00:50:16 ►

In recent years, it’s amazingly powerful if you’re open to it,

00:50:20 ►

the Western kind of acupuncture.

00:50:22 ►

All these emotions flood out of you.

00:50:24 ►

Things flow in your body, and for the Rebbe, it worked. it the Western kind of acupuncture all these emotions flood out of you things

00:50:25 ►

flow in your body and and for the Rebbe it worked so the Rebbe you know I

00:50:32 ►

noticed all these full sounds are going to be on that’s interesting though it’s

00:50:37 ►

interesting this when you record in the future sounds of eating I don’t know how

00:50:41 ►

it’ll count come out but it’s an interesting you know one of the things that we’re trying to encourage is people that sit around and have these conversations.

00:50:48 ►

Yeah.

00:50:48 ►

And we shouldn’t be doing it in a sterile environment.

00:50:51 ►

That’s true.

00:50:52 ►

So the Rebby, it works.

00:50:55 ►

He was on the table, had a full acupuncture treatment, and he felt, oh, this really, it was intense.

00:51:05 ►

And he, like, this worked.

00:51:07 ►

It worked for me.

00:51:08 ►

It’ll work for my community.

00:51:10 ►

So he ordered the members, the family members and the this and that to go for treatment.

00:51:17 ►

So all these Hasidim, Orthodox Hasidim, were coming in on a regular basis

00:51:24 ►

so that they could come back down

00:51:26 ►

and become human again and everything.

00:51:29 ►

And now, one of the things is

00:51:30 ►

there is no Rebbe for humankind.

00:51:33 ►

There’s no Rebbe that’s looking out

00:51:35 ►

over entire societies and saying,

00:51:37 ►

something’s changing.

00:51:39 ►

It’s a bad trend.

00:51:41 ►

I know it inside.

00:51:42 ►

And we don’t have that kind of thing.

00:51:46 ►

So those Hesed them in Brooklyn are lucky I don’t know if they’re continuing but it was something

00:51:51 ►

he was trying to fight the tide but you know maybe we have to get to a critical

00:51:55 ►

point where there’s enough people that are sleep deprived or overstimulated or

00:52:00 ►

or whatever this is where you you know, really negative consequences take place,

00:52:07 ►

before it’s like gotten bad enough that we really pop into another elevated state of consciousness

00:52:15 ►

where things are totally rewired or…

00:52:20 ►

No, there’s a…

00:52:21 ►

It supports your vision because we usually wait until…

00:52:23 ►

Well, yeah, that’s the chaos thing.

00:52:24 ►

Right. It supports your vision because we usually wait until… Well, yeah, that’s the chaos thing.

00:52:25 ►

There’s a third way, and the third way is watching the young, highly energized burner attendee

00:52:33 ►

who’s also wired but is also incredibly tuned in to physical things and emotional things

00:52:39 ►

and is completely powerful in all aspects.

00:52:42 ►

And those, they’re amazing.

00:52:44 ►

And they’re maintaining a balance by simply being intensified in all the areas

00:52:49 ►

and doing all the things.

00:52:50 ►

But doing the sensing of the body intensely.

00:52:54 ►

Yeah, they are.

00:52:54 ►

They’re jumping out of airplanes.

00:52:57 ►

They’re doing new forms of extreme sports that we only dreamed about.

00:53:01 ►

Oh, right, the snowboarding.

00:53:02 ►

Snowboarding in the sky.

00:53:04 ►

Yeah.

00:53:04 ►

With sky snowboarding. I’ve. Yeah. With sky snowboard.

00:53:06 ►

I’ve seen that.

00:53:07 ►

It’s incredible stuff.

00:53:09 ►

The guys, the most extreme sport that there is

00:53:11 ►

are these backpack wings

00:53:14 ►

that have a jet aircraft,

00:53:17 ►

small jet motors on them.

00:53:20 ►

And the guys jump off a mountainside.

00:53:24 ►

And they start hurtling down.

00:53:27 ►

They’re reaching like 200, 300 miles an hour.

00:53:30 ►

And then they turn on the jets, and then they’re in flight.

00:53:37 ►

And there was one video on YouTube that you can see where this guy, he’s like trying to impress his friends.

00:53:43 ►

Over the bridge?

00:53:44 ►

Well, it’s even worse.

00:53:46 ►

This guy goes, he skims, he’s like 15 feet off of a cliff face

00:53:50 ►

where some of the other guys are up next to a road high in the Alps,

00:53:53 ►

and he goes right past them at like 300 miles an hour.

00:53:57 ►

So he’s diving and aerodynamically controlling himself in free fall.

00:54:02 ►

It means people free falling 1,000 feet, 2,000 feet.

00:54:06 ►

And the pack allows them some control on the way down.

00:54:09 ►

And then they turn on the jets, and then they’re able to go up again.

00:54:14 ►

And these guys can land.

00:54:17 ►

They’ll come up, and they’ll stall out, and they’ll step onto the ground.

00:54:21 ►

Wow.

00:54:22 ►

Just like a bird.

00:54:24 ►

Like a bird, yeah.

00:54:24 ►

They’re a fixed-wing aircraft. They’re a bird. Like a bird, yeah.

00:54:26 ►

They’re a fixed-wing aircraft.

00:54:29 ►

They’re a single-person fixed-wing aircraft with high thrust,

00:54:30 ►

and they’re able to manipulate.

00:54:33 ►

And these guys are like 21, 22 years old,

00:54:36 ►

and their mental powers are unbelievable.

00:54:38 ►

I mean, I would be dead. I would just jump off and die immediately.

00:54:43 ►

And so you can imagine the adrenaline rush that they’re going through

00:54:49 ►

exceeds any possible adrenaline rush that they’re getting by being online.

00:54:54 ►

So by having a very physical, total body in tune, total danger,

00:55:01 ►

total control of the body,

00:55:04 ►

veneer control of everything the body is doing to survive in that.

00:55:09 ►

And a lot of fun.

00:55:11 ►

Doing it as a playful thing and surviving and breaching the frontiers.

00:55:17 ►

I mean, these guys, I mean, if they keep going

00:55:20 ►

and if they find a tall enough cliff like El Capitan

00:55:22 ►

or even higher because they can go down a whole mountainside, they could break the speed of sound.

00:55:28 ►

Amazing.

00:55:29 ►

Yeah, it’s possible.

00:55:31 ►

I wonder what that would do to a body, though.

00:55:33 ►

Well, they’re still air resistant, so you have to be underpowered.

00:55:36 ►

You have to be powered to get over 800 miles an hour.

00:55:40 ►

But, yeah, nobody knows.

00:55:41 ►

But maybe within two decades, somebody will attempt a sound barrier.

00:55:46 ►

The old Indy racers, nobody thought they could live if they hit 100 miles an hour, you know.

00:55:49 ►

Right, right, and no one thought Chuck Yeager could survive on a Bell X1.

00:55:54 ►

And then, of course, the Thrust II, which was a Black Rock that broke the sound barrier on a Black Rock Desert right at Burning Man.

00:56:00 ►

They were like, the vehicle’s going to disintegrate if it breaks the sound barrier at ground level.

00:56:05 ►

Nobody knew what would happen.

00:56:07 ►

Then the pilot lived.

00:56:09 ►

They did it twice.

00:56:10 ►

They had to break it one way, turn it around, and go within an hour and break the sound barrier again.

00:56:16 ►

And then they went in for beers at the Black Rock Cafe in Gerlach.

00:56:20 ►

He rode his motorcycle into the cafe, and she had the cold beer for him.

00:56:24 ►

Because they heard the boom in Gerlach, and then they heard the second boom, and she had the cold beer for him.

00:56:28 ►

Because they heard the boom in Gerlach, and then they heard the second boom,

00:56:29 ►

and they know that they had done it.

00:56:30 ►

That was in 97.

00:56:33 ►

That was the year that there were rain at Burning Man.

00:56:35 ►

Oh, we had some friends here then.

00:56:37 ►

Yeah, and Burning Man mud year.

00:56:39 ►

And then the rain continued.

00:56:45 ►

And so when these teams arrived to that very spot, the playa was covered with water.

00:56:48 ►

And they were like, we’re running out of money.

00:56:51 ►

We’re sitting around waiting for this playa to dry out. And it dried out just enough that they could do it.

00:56:55 ►

And the British team was able to achieve it.

00:56:58 ►

And probably it was a little bit easier on the wheels because it wasn’t a dusty.

00:57:04 ►

It wasn’t a fluffy fly it was a hard

00:57:06 ►

pie because it was just dried up might have helped them might have helped them but that was

00:57:11 ►

and so i don’t know how we got that on that topic but well the adrenaline rush and certainly yeah

00:57:17 ►

and for people like that i mean you meet astronauts you meet people who go into this extreme

00:57:22 ►

astronauts, you meet people who go into this extreme

00:57:24 ►

in mental,

00:57:26 ►

physical control, adrenaline

00:57:28 ►

and whatnot, they’re pretty calm

00:57:30 ►

cookies. They’re not as

00:57:32 ►

rattled, I think, by us

00:57:33 ►

mere mortals that get

00:57:36 ►

into computers and we get overwhelmed

00:57:37 ►

by the experience and it becomes our whole lives.

00:57:40 ►

They know where the real

00:57:42 ►

the rubber met the road and

00:57:44 ►

they know also how to cut off. They

00:57:46 ►

can turn on, turn off. They have power over themselves that we don’t have. Like when I meet

00:57:50 ►

space station astronauts or shuttle astronauts, you sense a whole different personality there.

00:57:57 ►

You know, military test pilot or any kind of pilot. There’s a calm, there’s a controlled aspect.

00:58:03 ►

Sometimes it’s too much because you can’t get into some of them.

00:58:06 ►

I remember at Johnson Space Center I was in the elevator with this Russian cosmonaut.

00:58:12 ►

And man, I was like, that’s a super being.

00:58:15 ►

That is a super being.

00:58:16 ►

She’s a mother.

00:58:18 ►

A cosmonaut has been in space multiple times.

00:58:22 ►

She’s totally in self-control.

00:58:30 ►

She’s also totally emotionally attuned and observant. And I just like almost crinkled up because I thought I’m this like little raisin of crinkled imperfection

00:58:37 ►

compared to a person who has that amount of training and awareness.

00:58:41 ►

And is she enlightened?

00:58:46 ►

It’s hard to say.

00:58:47 ►

She might have a whole spiritual side.

00:58:50 ►

I don’t know. You didn’t get to interact with her.

00:58:52 ►

I said hello and that was it.

00:58:53 ►

But I sensed all like

00:58:54 ►

this is one of those beings.

00:58:56 ►

That could be a projection

00:58:59 ►

of yours too. That’s what you

00:59:00 ►

see in somebody

00:59:02 ►

who’s accomplished that.

00:59:04 ►

I think of myself as fairly messy and sloppy,

00:59:07 ►

and when you see people like that, they’re…

00:59:10 ►

Does that mean that they’re really super beings,

00:59:13 ►

and are they happier than the rest of us?

00:59:15 ►

Are they more attuned to life and everything than the rest of us?

00:59:21 ►

I think that they’re…

00:59:23 ►

Are they emotionally available?

00:59:26 ►

From her, I felt that it was.

00:59:30 ►

Some of the astronauts, maybe not, but most of them are

00:59:33 ►

because their work is intensely social.

00:59:38 ►

So that’s the balance part of it, the adrenaline.

00:59:41 ►

The training, it’s all crews, it’s all leadership teams,

00:59:47 ►

teams on the ground, hundreds of people supporting you.

00:59:50 ►

You’re there by the grace of those people on the ground.

00:59:53 ►

They’re your family.

00:59:54 ►

So that’s the balancing, not the getting more and more adrenaline than you get online.

01:00:00 ►

The adrenaline, they have been born with probably this ability to manage their adrenaline rushes

01:00:07 ►

and make them a survival mechanism rather than a go crazy and freak out mechanism.

01:00:14 ►

I mean, it’s like, why did they pick Neil Armstrong to step on the moon?

01:00:19 ►

They picked him on one, by one thing that happened, so Gemini 6 or Gemini 7,

01:00:22 ►

They picked him on one, based on one thing that happened,

01:00:27 ►

so Gemini 6 or Gemini 7, the two guys in Gemini,

01:00:30 ►

they docked with this thing called the Agena, which is just an upper stage.

01:00:31 ►

It had a little bit of fuel on it.

01:00:33 ►

So they’re practicing docking in orbit.

01:00:37 ►

And suddenly, they’re starting to tumble.

01:00:42 ►

And what Neil did, and this is a classic test pilot, he’s like, nobody in the ground can help you.

01:00:45 ►

You’re starting to tumble.

01:00:46 ►

It’s going faster.

01:00:47 ►

You’re doing 30 RPM.

01:00:49 ►

I mean, try being in a tin can at 30 RPM, 60 RPM, right?

01:00:54 ►

Most people would have given up and said, I’m going to die, and would black out.

01:00:58 ►

This guy is trying all the switches, one after the other, reasoning.

01:01:03 ►

And he literally was like, turn off all the thrusters on the Gemini.

01:01:07 ►

Didn’t make any difference.

01:01:10 ►

Turned on another, he figured, well, maybe there’s a thruster still going,

01:01:14 ►

Gemini’s not telling me.

01:01:15 ►

Turned on thrusters to try to contract it.

01:01:18 ►

Didn’t make a difference.

01:01:18 ►

Reasoned that it was thrusters on the Agena.

01:01:22 ►

He couldn’t control those thrusters.

01:01:24 ►

Now he had to figure,

01:01:25 ►

it’s the aegina that’s tumbling us.

01:01:29 ►

I have to turn on all the freaking thrusters

01:01:31 ►

and try to counteract the entire aegina.

01:01:34 ►

So this is second by second by second.

01:01:36 ►

He’s figuring this out,

01:01:37 ►

switching in the ground.

01:01:38 ►

It’s like, what is going on?

01:01:40 ►

Their heart monitors are going crazy.

01:01:43 ►

Right, right, yeah.

01:01:46 ►

They’re scared.

01:01:48 ►

And he got it controlled.

01:01:53 ►

He got it so that the tumble was not uncontrolled,

01:01:58 ►

and then they did an emergency undock from the Agena and said goodbye,

01:02:00 ►

and now they’re out of fuel.

01:02:02 ►

So it’s now, okay, we’ve got to use all of them.

01:02:05 ►

Now they’re in an emergency, but we’ve got to use the rest of the fuel to re-enter. And so

01:02:07 ►

on that criteria alone, Neil Armstrong

01:02:09 ►

was picked. Because it was

01:02:12 ►

like, this guy, in the

01:02:13 ►

pinch, in the most extreme

01:02:16 ►

things, he maintained his cool,

01:02:17 ►

he used reason, and he saved

01:02:19 ►

that mission.

01:02:21 ►

Wasn’t he also the pilot of that test

01:02:23 ►

lander that went out of control? Well, his landings on all his test flights, he would have been dead. Wasn’t he also the pilot of that test lander that went out of control?

01:02:25 ►

Well, his landings on all his test flights,

01:02:28 ►

he would tend to use up tons of fuel and everything.

01:02:31 ►

But I’ll tell you, I heard the true story of the Apollo 11.

01:02:34 ►

So Apollo 11, they were down to 20 seconds of fuel.

01:02:37 ►

So what you heard after Houston,

01:02:42 ►

you know, engine cutoff.

01:02:46 ►

You heard that.

01:02:47 ►

And Tranquility, Houston, Tranquility Base, where the Eagles have landed,

01:02:52 ►

everybody in Houston is proud because of what Houston uttered.

01:02:55 ►

First word.

01:02:55 ►

Yeah.

01:02:56 ►

And, but, what the response was from, was from Houston, you remember it?

01:03:03 ►

No.

01:03:04 ►

You know, something we’re really, really, we’re all about to turn blue here.

01:03:07 ►

Oh, yeah, I do.

01:03:08 ►

They’re holding their breath because the fuel was just down to no fuel.

01:03:13 ►

The reason they were so low, and this is Buzz Aldrin explaining it to me.

01:03:18 ►

This would be good for a podcast, I suppose.

01:03:21 ►

Here’s what Buzz told me at a conference about five or six years ago.

01:03:25 ►

He was in our team at a Boeing conference.

01:03:27 ►

And he’s a crusty guy.

01:03:30 ►

He’ll talk.

01:03:31 ►

He’s the guy who liked the publicity.

01:03:32 ►

Neil Armstrong does not.

01:03:34 ►

He became a college professor and was like, I don’t.

01:03:37 ►

I don’t go on the show and tell, the animal circus of NASA.

01:03:41 ►

But Buzz always did.

01:03:42 ►

And so Buzz is the one that kisses the babies and has his picture taken

01:03:46 ►

and everything. And so

01:03:48 ►

I said, okay, you know,

01:03:50 ►

Buzz, can you tell us the last

01:03:52 ►

I told him, look, there’s this guy

01:03:54 ►

at Industrial Light and Magic has made this movie

01:03:56 ►

that you haven’t seen yet, and it

01:03:58 ►

shows the view out the triangular window

01:04:00 ►

of the Apollo 11

01:04:02 ►

lunar modules that’s coming in

01:04:04 ►

in final approach.

01:04:05 ►

And it shows that Neil’s view, because in the movies it’s showing they’re

01:04:11 ►

looking down out of the triangular window and they’re seeing the lunar

01:04:14 ►

surface, but they’re not seeing that he wasn’t looking down, he was looking at

01:04:18 ►

his flight line, his horizon, whatever he had, looking for landing location. I said

01:04:24 ►

you should see this and then that got Buzz started a landing location. I said, you should see this.

01:04:26 ►

And then that got Buzz started.

01:04:29 ►

He said, well, I’ll tell you what happened.

01:04:34 ►

Because I asked him, well, this particular reconstruction shows that the LEM was swinging back and forth as it was coming down,

01:04:37 ►

but that we know what Neil was seeing out the window.

01:04:41 ►

Buzz wasn’t seeing that same view.

01:04:42 ►

Buzz was operating other instruments.

01:04:45 ►

And he said, that triggered him. And this is a point where Buzz kind of gets super mad.

01:04:51 ►

But I did it in such a way I didn’t get him super mad, so he told me what really happened.

01:04:55 ►

He said the effing rate limiter was broken. I said, what’s the rate limiter? He said,

01:05:07 ►

I said, what’s the rate limiter? He said, well, you have this control thrust pitch and yaw.

01:05:13 ►

It’s like pitches like this. Roll is like this and yaw is like this.

01:05:20 ►

And you would, on the LEM, you would set to like 12 degrees on pitch.

01:05:26 ►

And it was supposed to pitch the vehicle up and stop and get you at this angle.

01:05:28 ►

Or you could do it like this or whatever.

01:05:32 ►

He said the effing rate limiter, the stop, didn’t work.

01:05:35 ►

So we would set it to 12 degrees,

01:05:37 ►

it would go to 12 degrees and keep going up.

01:05:39 ►

So then we’d have to manually pull back to get the platform stable.

01:05:41 ►

And he said the effing program managers did not admit

01:05:45 ►

that there was an effing problem.

01:05:48 ►

This is so it’s good for radio.

01:05:51 ►

Even internet radio.

01:05:52 ►

And I, to this day,

01:05:54 ►

they did not admit that

01:05:55 ►

their hardware was broken, and we

01:05:58 ►

were stuck with a broken ship.

01:06:00 ►

And so, they’re doing this

01:06:02 ►

all the way down, not again,

01:06:04 ►

rocking, packing, using up fuel, fuel, fuel, fuel. So in the middle of all this, And so they’re doing this all the way down. Not again.

01:06:08 ►

Rocking, packing, using up fuel, fuel, fuel, fuel.

01:06:10 ►

So in the middle of all this, you know, this is Apollo 11.

01:06:13 ►

This whole world’s watching this, right?

01:06:19 ►

So in the middle of this, Neil sees a landing spot.

01:06:23 ►

He sees a bright patch of lunar ground.

01:06:27 ►

Only it happens to be on the other side of this substantial crater that was later named West Crater, which they walked out to.

01:06:31 ►

And so he’s aiming for that spot.

01:06:33 ►

And that’s what John Knoll’s movie shows.

01:06:35 ►

He was aiming for that spot.

01:06:37 ►

And this was not in the history books.

01:06:39 ►

And so they’re coming up to West Crater,

01:06:41 ►

and they’re swinging around like a crazy, like a bedstead,

01:06:44 ►

flying bedstead, which was the name of the trainer testing. And what Buzz said is we couldn’t

01:06:50 ►

land any sooner than the spot Neil picked. Because if we tried to land before West Crater

01:06:57 ►

with an unstable platform and you’re coming along and you have to pitch up to land and then drop yourself down to get that whole

01:07:07 ►

effect.

01:07:09 ►

And any test pilot will tell you, you do not lose sight of a hazard.

01:07:14 ►

It’s the last thing you want to do.

01:07:15 ►

If you have a hazard, you don’t do something to lose sight of that hazard.

01:07:18 ►

And that crater was a hazard.

01:07:20 ►

So we had no choice.

01:07:21 ►

We had to aim for that thing.

01:07:23 ►

So we’re going all the way over it, all the way like this.

01:07:26 ►

And then we finally pitched up.

01:07:27 ►

They had to do that to keep in sight of that.

01:07:28 ►

To keep stable.

01:07:30 ►

And then finally we pitch up and we go down.

01:07:32 ►

And they landed pretty hard.

01:07:35 ►

And they crumpled up the crumple zones, bang, like that.

01:07:39 ►

But they came down with a thump.

01:07:42 ►

And so the whole, what Buzz was explaining was the whole mythology that Neil was some flyboy

01:07:49 ►

and he didn’t mind using up all his fuel was bullshit.

01:07:52 ►

It was bullshit.

01:07:53 ►

Our equipment wasn’t working.

01:07:55 ►

We did what we were supposed to do, and we knew where we were going to go.

01:07:59 ►

And so that’s not something that’s in the history books.

01:08:02 ►

And so that’s not something that’s in the history books.

01:08:08 ►

Well, about 15 minutes later, we were having a wrap-up of our meeting,

01:08:15 ►

and the Boeing people, including Buzz Aldrin’s son, Andy Aldrin, was part of this whole thing.

01:08:21 ►

And Buzz is sitting on his chair, and this is a guy who invented orbital docking mechanics. He invented all the math in the 1950s when he was a graduate student.

01:08:25 ►

He did all the formulas to show how to rendezvous and dock in orbit.

01:08:30 ►

What do you do?

01:08:32 ►

So he understands platforms.

01:08:35 ►

And he picked up his chair.

01:08:36 ►

His chair was too close to the wall and he was going to move it forward.

01:08:39 ►

Most of us just lean forward and drag our chair, but not Buzz Aldrin.

01:08:44 ►

Buzz Aldrin put the balls of his feet right under the chair,

01:08:47 ►

lifted the chair up in perfect balance,

01:08:51 ►

looked at all four of the footpaths of the chair,

01:08:55 ►

moved forward and set it down.

01:08:57 ►

And I thought, only this man would move a chair this way.

01:09:02 ►

That’s how he thinks of the world.

01:09:04 ►

It’s a platform, and I’m on it.

01:09:06 ►

It needs to be stable.

01:09:07 ►

It needs to be stable.

01:09:08 ►

I have to know where I am,

01:09:10 ►

and I have to do this in a total awareness.

01:09:14 ►

And so that is a unique mind, right?

01:09:17 ►

Yeah.

01:09:18 ►

And all part of why he was on Apollo 11 as well.

01:09:22 ►

So that was the story of Buzz Aldrin

01:09:24 ►

and the landing on the moon.

01:09:27 ►

So that’ll make a good…

01:09:28 ►

Buzz Aldrin and the effing rate limiter.

01:09:30 ►

The effing rate limiter.

01:09:33 ►

That’s a great story.

01:09:34 ►

That’s a good story, right from him.

01:09:37 ►

Neil doesn’t really remember.

01:09:39 ►

He doesn’t have a specific…

01:09:41 ►

He was busy and you just don’t retain the…

01:09:43 ►

You’re driving, you’re multitasking, and you’re going to lose the short-term memory,

01:09:47 ►

which is what they find in the clinic.

01:09:49 ►

In clinical studies, you’re on the phone, but you’re also messaging and emailing.

01:09:58 ►

We’ve all done this.

01:09:59 ►

Gail knows immediately when I’m doing this.

01:10:02 ►

Six cents.

01:10:03 ►

Women would know it.

01:10:01 ►

Yale knows immediately when I’m doing this.

01:10:03 ►

Sixth sense.

01:10:03 ►

Women would know it.

01:10:07 ►

But what will happen is the brain says,

01:10:10 ►

oh, they are trying to do things at once.

01:10:15 ►

Then therefore I must use the short-term memory storage processing neuronal bundle to work that problem while they do this other problem.

01:10:19 ►

And after people do that, it’s like,

01:10:21 ►

I don’t even remember what I just said on that phone call.

01:10:23 ►

Am I going crazy?

01:10:24 ►

Am I getting dementia? No, because you just used up all the brain power was supposed to let you

01:10:30 ►

remember short-term things and so we’re now doing this constantly constantly constantly so the

01:10:36 ►

short-term memories just can’t be stored now of course when you’re 16, it probably works, and you even have short-term memory for 13 chat sessions.

01:10:49 ►

You’re listening to The Psychedelic Salon,

01:10:51 ►

where people are changing their lives one thought at a time.

01:10:57 ►

It was difficult to know where to cut that off just now.

01:11:00 ►

The total conversation lasted for three or four hours,

01:11:04 ►

and as you just heard,

01:11:05 ►

it covered a really wide range of topics. But I wanted to be sure that you heard the

01:11:10 ►

stories about the first moon landing. You know, this may not be the first public telling

01:11:15 ►

of that story, but it’s the first time I’ve heard it, and I hope that you enjoyed that

01:11:19 ►

little bit of historical trivia as much as I did. One of the things that Bruce mentioned just now was an essay he wrote in April of 2004

01:11:29 ►

that he titled, A Gigantic Unplanned Experiment on You.

01:11:34 ►

And I’ll put a link to that essay along with the program notes for today’s podcast,

01:11:38 ►

which you can find at psychedelicsalon.org.

01:11:42 ►

But that essay sets out in very specific detail some of the effects our

01:11:46 ►

online addictions are costing us. Let me just read the first paragraph and see if any of this

01:11:52 ►

hits home. And I’m quoting here. You sit in front of your computer 8, 10, 12 hours a day. Your eyes

01:12:00 ►

dart about the screen to emails, instant messages,ages flashing banners tasks and your machine crashes and you have to reboot you find yourself

01:12:09 ►

attuned to every incoming note your emotions compressed into the spaces

01:12:14 ►

between nano bursts of instant gratification or frustration your

01:12:18 ►

consciousness unites in lockstep with the machines processes then you scroll

01:12:23 ►

down a long list and your eyes blur for a

01:12:25 ►

moment. Overload. You get up and walk around, but your mind is still spinning. You can’t look anyone

01:12:31 ►

in the eye, but luckily everyone else is in their cube. You grab a cup of coffee and sit back down

01:12:36 ►

with it. Now you are back in sync. Emails come and you bat them right back with succinct replies.

01:12:42 ►

You feel that queue diminishing somewhat. You feel

01:12:45 ►

mastery over the stack. You are wired. You hold your breath. Too much going on to breathe. Too

01:12:51 ►

much to miss if you take your attention away. You start to feel a bit dizzy and lean back.

01:12:55 ►

Breath returns. You feel a little buzz, but now there’s also a low-level sense of unease in your

01:13:01 ►

body. I’d like to go on and read the rest of that essay for you right now,

01:13:06 ►

but I’ll let you do that on your own.

01:13:09 ►

You know, we can joke about multitasking and information overload,

01:13:13 ►

but these are actually serious issues that each of us should probably give a little consideration to.

01:13:20 ►

Near the end of Bruce’s essay, he says,

01:13:22 ►

It may be that telling the stories of the casualties of this experiment is the best way to report its results to us.

01:13:30 ►

These people are our society’s canaries in the mine.

01:13:34 ►

They are all around us, and you know some of them.

01:13:37 ►

Which brings me to an announcement about how, eventually, you may be able to have your own conversation with Bruce and his wife, Galen Brandt.

01:13:46 ►

Here’s what’s going to take place.

01:13:48 ►

Bruce and Galen are embarking on a multi-year world tour

01:13:52 ►

where they’re going to be meeting with small groups of people

01:13:54 ►

and harvesting ideas for what it’s going to take to build conscious communities.

01:14:00 ►

And that’s their theme, conscious communities,

01:14:02 ►

creating heartfelt face-to-face communities in the 21st century.

01:14:07 ►

I’m going to read for you a couple paragraphs from a little blurb that was sent out to some of the people who are participating in one of these gatherings that Bruce and Galen are putting together.

01:14:18 ►

And what we said in that email is, the 60s, tune in, drop out, and back to the land movements

01:14:25 ►

were a response to that era’s

01:14:27 ►

technological onrush.

01:14:29 ►

Those times seem quaint in comparison

01:14:32 ►

with today. We live in an

01:14:34 ►

era where real face-to-face

01:14:35 ►

interaction is increasingly rare

01:14:37 ►

and comes at a premium.

01:14:39 ►

Our lives and our minds are sliced and

01:14:41 ►

diced by ever-increasing waves of

01:14:43 ►

technological stimuli.

01:14:45 ►

Our working, driving, and living environments are increasingly slick and shiny with tech, but decidedly denatured.

01:14:53 ►

Our kids and grandkids are wired to the hilt and growing up with different brain development than we could ever have conceived or relate to.

01:15:01 ►

What are the consequences of this totally unique situation?

01:15:06 ►

relate to. What are the consequences of this totally unique situation? Is humanity marching to an ever greater future or will we experience a wholesale loss of emotional and empathetic lives?

01:15:13 ►

Will we need increasingly extreme experiences like Burning Man to reboot back into balance?

01:15:19 ►

Or can we conceive of new forms of in-person community in the 21st century that can return us back to the land of face-to-face, but keep us relevant and connected to the world?

01:15:32 ►

Can the Internet be used as a powerful lever to bring into being meaningful gatherings in heartfelt and beautiful spaces?

01:15:39 ►

Can we convert the place in which we live into such spaces?

01:15:43 ►

Can we convert the place in which we live into such spaces?

01:15:50 ►

Now, if you’d like Bruce and Galen to visit your area and kick-start your own Plalog Salon,

01:15:52 ►

well, there may be a way.

01:15:58 ►

As you will find if you go to Bruce’s website, damer.com,

01:16:02 ►

he is a very much-requested futurist speaker.

01:16:05 ►

And so the plan is that whenever possible,

01:16:08 ►

after one of his regular speaking gigs,

01:16:11 ►

Bruce, and in most cases Galen as well,

01:16:14 ►

will be able to get together with some of the organizers of that event and their friends and hold a local Plylog salon

01:16:18 ►

that hopefully will continue on a monthly basis after that.

01:16:22 ►

As you can see, this is an experiment that may or may not get some traction,

01:16:27 ►

but if it does, I think we may be able to record and podcast

01:16:30 ►

some of your local salon conversations

01:16:33 ►

in an attempt to link together more and more of our fellow salonners

01:16:37 ►

in face-to-face meetings.

01:16:39 ►

We’ll have to see how this takes off,

01:16:41 ►

but if you’d like to know more about setting something like this up in your own area, you can contact Bruce directly

01:16:47 ►

at www.damer.com

01:16:51 ►

slash forms slash comment dot html

01:16:56 ►

and I’ll put that link on the website too.

01:16:59 ►

Now for a little other news from the world of psychedelics, and

01:17:03 ►

this comes from one of Terrence McKenna’s favorite magazines,

01:17:07 ►

Scientific American.

01:17:08 ►

One of the stories was about what we were talking about last week,

01:17:12 ►

addiction.

01:17:13 ►

The addiction this story is about is nicotine.

01:17:17 ►

And basically it repeats what we already knew,

01:17:20 ►

and that is the fact that nicotine is one of the most addictive substances around.

01:17:24 ►

In fact, the latest research shows that symptoms of addiction, and that is the fact that nicotine is one of the most addictive substances around.

01:17:30 ►

In fact, the latest research shows that symptoms of addiction, such as withdrawal,

01:17:32 ►

can appear in the first weeks of cigarette smoking.

01:17:36 ►

And unfortunately, I can attest to that myself.

01:17:38 ►

In fact, cigarettes were my gateway drug.

01:17:44 ►

I think I had my first cigarette out behind our old garage when I was still in grammar school.

01:17:49 ►

And by the time I found myself in the Navy, I was smoking over two packs a day.

01:17:56 ►

It wasn’t easy, but I kicked that habit back in the 60s, and that is probably one of the reasons I’m still alive.

01:17:59 ►

I know that it’s really cool for young people to smoke.

01:18:04 ►

In fact, I thought I was pretty cool myself as a high school and college smoker.

01:18:08 ►

But eventually you’re going to have to quit if you want to live past 50.

01:18:13 ►

So if you are currently hooked on cigarettes, you might want to think about going cold turkey today.

01:18:17 ►

You’re going to have to do it eventually, so why not right now?

01:18:23 ►

But it wasn’t the addiction article that caught my eye in the May 2008 issue. What caught my eye first in that edition was a photo of an

01:18:27 ►

older woman having a toke at the Seattle Hemp Fest. The title of

01:18:31 ►

the article was, When I’m 64, and it

01:18:35 ►

carried the subtitle, quote, For many baby boomers, recreational

01:18:40 ►

drugs continue as a way of life, close quote.

01:18:43 ►

Well, duh.

01:18:51 ►

Of course, the article assumes the only kind of drug use possible is recreational.

01:18:54 ►

And I’m all for that, by the way.

01:19:02 ►

I think that recreational use of drugs is a much better pastime than shooting small animals or jumping out of perfectly good airplanes.

01:19:08 ►

However, as we all know, there’s a lot more to these sacred medicines than just dancing all night.

01:19:11 ►

But the article is also a fun read.

01:19:13 ►

It has some really great lines in it, like,

01:19:16 ►

Grandma and Grandpa are passing the time in their rockers,

01:19:23 ►

and passing a joint back and forth as they recall their youthful marijuana-smoking days in Haight-Ashbury.

01:19:28 ►

Well, I fit the demographic, but I don’t own a rocking chair,

01:19:31 ►

and I didn’t even try cannabis until I was 42 years old.

01:19:35 ►

What is kind of funny about this article is the fact that the authorities,

01:19:42 ►

whomever they are, were shocked by the fact that people didn’t quit using these substances when they got older.

01:19:47 ►

That kind of thinking is like saying only young people enjoy orgasms, I guess.

01:19:52 ►

Then there are some other funny lines in the article, too, like when the author says,

01:19:59 ►

Intriguingly, the so-called cannabinoid system, which mediates the effects of marijuana in the brain,

01:20:04 ►

reduces addictive behavior in aging mice that have been genetically altered to crave alcohol.

01:20:12 ►

But then more or less, the article dismisses this important bit of information and goes on to express surprise that the elderly abuse drugs.

01:20:16 ►

That’s their thought, not mine.

01:20:18 ►

So let’s get this straight.

01:20:21 ►

The scientific establishment sees smoking cannabis as drug abuse, but using

01:20:26 ►

alcohol is normal. And since no one has ever died from an overdose of cannabis or from lung cancer

01:20:32 ►

after smoking it, I fail to see why they continue to research what they call abuse and addiction,

01:20:38 ►

and yet ignore the fact that these substances have already been shown to be very effective in

01:20:43 ►

the treatment of alcoholism and

01:20:45 ►

some other very serious diseases.

01:20:48 ►

Another sad story from the drug war was in the local news just this morning.

01:20:53 ►

It seems that after one year of undercover operations, over 100 students at San Diego

01:20:58 ►

State University were arrested and their lives effectively destroyed in what was billed as a major drug bust.

01:21:07 ►

And with only one or two exceptions, of course, these big-time drug dealers only sold or shared a little with a friend.

01:21:14 ►

But here is the most insidious part of this story.

01:21:18 ►

Apparently, the university invited the federal government onto their campus

01:21:22 ►

and allowed them to infiltrate student organizations.

01:21:26 ►

That’s right. For a year or so, many of the student organizations had DEA agents working undercover in their meetings.

01:21:33 ►

Now, how sick is that?

01:21:35 ►

I don’t know if the DEA snakes are still crawling around the campus at San Diego State,

01:21:40 ►

but I do know that it’s going to be almost impossible to have any discussion about drugs on that campus without having to worry about who might be listening.

01:21:48 ►

I wonder how many other hundreds of students there are now in government computers who

01:21:53 ►

are labeled as being people sympathetic to ending the war on drugs.

01:21:58 ►

It looks like you can forget free speech at SD State because Big Brother has infiltrated

01:22:03 ►

your dorms and clubs.

01:22:05 ►

What a sad commentary this is on American culture.

01:22:09 ►

Here we are in the 21st century, and yet we find ourselves living in a culture that prohibits

01:22:14 ►

the use of naturally growing plants, but which approves putting all kinds of chemicals into

01:22:19 ►

our food supply.

01:22:21 ►

You probably read this yourself, but did you know that some of those low

01:22:25 ►

sodium foods you’re purchasing contain a chemical that turns off the bitter

01:22:30 ►

flavor receptors in your tongue so that they can sell you some horrible tasting

01:22:34 ►

chemically enhanced food? And what is more, the food manufacturers don’t even

01:22:39 ►

have to tell you that it’s in the product they’re pushing on you. Maybe

01:22:43 ►

it’s safe to short-circuit your bitter flavor receptors,

01:22:46 ►

but the only safety test of this chemical was a three-month study done on rats.

01:22:51 ►

Yet Kraft, Nestle, Coca-Cola, and the Campbell Soup Company are all using it today

01:22:56 ►

because it allows them to cut back on sugar and sodium levels

01:23:00 ►

without having their customers spit out the bitter food products they’ve concocted.

01:23:05 ►

You know, what is going on these days is total insanity.

01:23:09 ►

And I’m sure that if enough people knew about these kinds of things,

01:23:12 ►

there would be riots in the street.

01:23:15 ►

Yet, sadly, the information is available, but not many people are turning to it.

01:23:19 ►

But hey, you and I are tuned in, and that’s not a bad start.

01:23:25 ►

On another note, several of our fellow salonners have written to ask about Gary Fisher’s work,

01:23:30 ►

where he was using psychedelic medicines with severely emotionally disturbed children.

01:23:36 ►

And they wrote to ask if there was anything about this work that was published.

01:23:40 ►

Well, so far the answer to that question is no.

01:23:44 ►

But one of the things I’m doing that keeps me from answering all of the email that comes in

01:23:48 ►

Is that I’m almost finished typing the only report that Gary wrote about that project

01:23:53 ►

He gave me a copy of an old draft that he wrote in 1963

01:23:57 ►

And I’m re-keying it and removing any personal information that wouldn’t be appropriate for a public document

01:24:04 ►

And as soon as I finish that and Gary approves it,

01:24:08 ►

I’ll be posting it on our website and possibly along with some comments about it from Dr. Charlie Grobe.

01:24:14 ►

So that’s the kind of thing I’m doing with my free time these days.

01:24:17 ►

But once I get a few of these other projects completed,

01:24:20 ►

I’ll try to do a little better about keeping up with email.

01:24:24 ►

A while back, I had to move 400 unanswered emails out of my inbox to a folder I’d labeled to be answered.

01:24:31 ►

And since then I’ve done it one more time and just now I moved my third batch of 400 messages into that folder.

01:24:38 ►

So the chances of me ever catching up are pretty slim.

01:24:42 ►

That’s the kind of project I’ve been saving for when I got old and retired.

01:24:47 ►

But now that I’m old and retired,

01:24:48 ►

I don’t have time

01:24:50 ►

for those things because of my

01:24:52 ►

podcasting hobby. It’s a great

01:24:54 ►

problem to have, don’t you think?

01:24:56 ►

Anyway, I still wish I could keep up with all

01:24:58 ►

the email, and I particularly

01:25:00 ►

feel bad about not sending thank yous

01:25:02 ►

for the donations and

01:25:04 ►

CDs and artwork and DVDs

01:25:06 ►

that some of our fellow slaughters have sent. It’s really amazing to get all these things and

01:25:11 ►

I do set aside the time to watch or listen to them and believe me I deeply appreciate your

01:25:17 ►

thoughts and gifts. Hopefully you’ll understand that I do appreciate you guys and everything you

01:25:22 ►

do for me but I just can’t get back to each one of you personally.

01:25:27 ►

Well, I guess that’s about it for today.

01:25:30 ►

And as always, I want to close by saying that this and all of the podcasts from the Psychedelic Salon

01:25:35 ►

are available under the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial ShareLike 3.0 license.

01:25:41 ►

And if you have any questions about that, just click the Creative Commons link at the bottom of the Psychedelic Salon webpage, which you can

01:25:48 ►

find at psychedelicsalon.org. And that’s also where you’ll find the

01:25:52 ►

program notes for this podcast. And for now, this is Lorenzo

01:25:55 ►

signing off from cyberdelic space. Be well, my friends.

⚗️ alembic

Explorer

139 - Is the Universe Waking Up

Program Notes §

Previous Episode §

Next Episode §

Similar Episodes §

Transcript §

00:00:00 ► §

00:00:19 ► §

00:00:24 ► §

00:00:28 ► §

00:00:31 ► §

00:00:35 ► §

00:00:39 ► §

00:00:44 ► §

00:00:49 ► §

00:00:56 ► §

00:01:02 ► §

00:01:04 ► §

00:01:10 ► §

00:01:17 ► §

00:01:20 ► §

00:01:24 ► §

00:01:30 ► §

00:01:37 ► §

00:01:44 ► §

00:01:52 ► §

00:01:57 ► §

00:02:05 ► §

00:02:09 ► §

00:02:14 ► §

00:02:19 ► §

00:02:27 ► §

00:02:31 ► §

00:02:39 ► §

00:02:40 ► §

00:02:43 ► §

00:02:46 ► §

00:02:50 ► §

00:02:55 ► §

00:03:00 ► §

00:03:02 ► §

00:03:06 ► §

00:03:08 ► §

00:03:11 ► §

00:03:14 ► §

00:03:17 ► §

00:03:19 ► §

00:03:22 ► §

00:03:23 ► §

00:03:25 ► §

00:03:26 ► §

00:03:31 ► §

00:03:37 ► §

00:03:40 ► §

00:03:43 ► §

00:03:47 ► §

00:03:51 ► §

00:03:57 ► §

00:04:06 ► §

00:04:11 ► §

00:04:12 ► §

00:04:16 ► §

00:04:21 ► §

00:04:24 ► §

00:04:30 ► §

00:04:35 ► §

00:04:41 ► §

00:04:49 ► §

00:04:57 ► §

00:05:04 ► §

00:05:07 ► §

00:05:10 ► §

00:05:14 ► §

00:05:15 ► §

00:05:20 ► §

00:05:21 ► §

00:05:25 ► §

00:05:26 ► §

Program Notes

Previous Episode

Next Episode

Similar Episodes

Transcript

00:00:00 ►

00:00:19 ►

00:00:24 ►

00:00:28 ►

00:00:31 ►

00:00:35 ►

00:00:39 ►

00:00:44 ►

00:00:49 ►

00:00:56 ►

00:01:02 ►

00:01:04 ►

00:01:10 ►

00:01:17 ►

00:01:20 ►

00:01:24 ►

00:01:30 ►

00:01:37 ►

00:01:44 ►

00:01:52 ►

00:01:57 ►

00:02:05 ►

00:02:09 ►

00:02:14 ►

00:02:19 ►

00:02:27 ►

00:02:31 ►

00:02:39 ►

00:02:40 ►

00:02:43 ►

00:02:46 ►

00:02:50 ►

00:02:55 ►

00:03:00 ►

00:03:02 ►

00:03:06 ►

00:03:08 ►

00:03:11 ►

00:03:14 ►

00:03:17 ►

00:03:19 ►

00:03:22 ►

00:03:23 ►

00:03:25 ►

00:03:26 ►

00:03:31 ►

00:03:37 ►

00:03:40 ►

00:03:43 ►

00:03:47 ►

00:03:51 ►

00:03:57 ►

00:04:06 ►

00:04:11 ►

00:04:12 ►

00:04:16 ►

00:04:21 ►

00:04:24 ►

00:04:30 ►

00:04:35 ►

00:04:41 ►

00:04:49 ►

00:04:57 ►

00:05:04 ►

00:05:07 ►

00:05:10 ►

00:05:14 ►

00:05:15 ►

00:05:20 ►

00:05:21 ►

00:05:25 ►

00:05:26 ►

00:05:28 ►

00:05:31 ►

00:05:34 ►