Program Notes
Guest speaker: Robert Anton Wilson
[NOTE: All quotations are by Robert Anton Wilson.]
“I think we’re in a period of fractal chaos, and the whole system is collapsing, and every week is a new surprise.” (1990)
“Things are happening so fast that the only prediction I’ll make is that everything is going to happen faster than we expect it.”
“That’s why I don’t believe in monolithic conspiracy theories, there’s one group that runs everything. If there was one group that runs everything the world would make a little sense.”
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Transcript
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Greetings from cyberdelic space.
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This is Lorenzo and I’m your host here in the psychedelic salon.
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And today is day 66 of Occupy Wall Street.
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And with me as virtual podcasters today are some of our fellow salonners who have either purchased a copy of my Pay What You Can novel, The Genesis Generation,
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or who have made direct contributions to the salon to help pay for some of the expenses associated with these podcasts.
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And these fine people are John C., Matt C., Robert J., and Jason P. And Jason, I hope that I’ve fixed that problem that you had in downloading my book, but if you’re still having problems, please let me
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know. Now, as you already know, today I’m going to play the rest of that Robert Anton Wilson talk that he gave in Santa Cruz, California in 1990, the first part of which I played last week.
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And again, I want to thank Joe Metheny and the Original Falcon Press, which you can find via originalfalcon.com.
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They’re the ones that provided this material for me, and that’s also where you can find the DVD that I took this talk from in the event that you want to watch this performance as well.
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Joe is the one that arranged this whole presentation, owns the copyright, and has allowed me to play it here in the salon for you.
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So, Joe and Falcon, thank you again for letting me share this with the tribe.
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letting me share this with the tribe.
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Now, my guess is that for many of our fellow Saloners,
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a lot of what Bob Wilson talks about here will sound like it’s all fiction,
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and the parts about the Illuminati could well be.
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Maybe so, maybe not.
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But most of what he talks about,
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like how and when the CIA and the Mafia first got in bed together, and the story of John Hull and the LaPenca bombing.
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Well, the first of those things I read about in several scholarly books,
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and the stories about Hull, LaPenca, and the Christich Institute,
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and all that are stories that I produce TV shows about on the cable access station in Tampa, Florida, back in the 80s and 90s.
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Florida back in the 80s and 90s. In fact, I was told not long ago that a couple of my old shows are still being played on the Access Channel during the wee hours of the night. So if you’re
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a corporate road warrior who is visiting Tampa some night and can’t sleep, well then keep an
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eye out for a rerun of the shows called Freedom Now, Reality Check, Big Brother’s Latest Lies,
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or my final program, Anarcho Cyber Sludge,
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all of which I produced in most of the things I was in, actually.
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But don’t think high production values here.
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Think Wayne’s World, but not quite so good.
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It was really fun doing those shows, I have to admit.
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And it was all free.
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You know, Community Access Television, it was called.
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And I’ve heard that most stations have dropped those programs, though.
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And, of course, we don’t need that so much with the net so rich in video these days.
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Yeah, who needs cable when you’ve got the net, huh?
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Anyway, enough of me.
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Let’s now get on to the one and only Robert Anton Wilson.
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There’s recently been a book by a Jungian psychologist named Ian Begg
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called The Cult of the Black Virgin.
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At least one of these books is actually here to show you I’m not making all this up as I go along.
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Oh, here’s Holy Blood, Holy Ground. Holy Grail. Ian Begg made a study of the
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400, some of the
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400 statues
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in European churches of the
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Virgin Mary, in which the Virgin Mary
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appears to be black
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or Negro.
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Now, if these
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statues all appeared in the
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last 40 or 60
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years, you might make a good case of attributing
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them to the Rastafarians. The Rastafarians believed that Jesus and his whole family were
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black. They also believed all the heroes of the Old Testament were black. They got some
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good biblical references to back this. If you believe that black in the King James Version
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means black racially.
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Depends on, there’s room for interpretation.
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But the Rastafarians did not do this.
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These statues have been there for 700 years.
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Most of them can be definitely dated to the 13th century.
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So who did it?
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Well, according to Ian Begg, the Priory of Sion did it.
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For some reason in the 13th century, they went all over Europe pointing statues to indicate that the house of David was black,
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or at least part of it was black by the time it got to Jesus anyway.
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Why did they do this?
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Well, maybe it was true.
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If you take a look at the map, the Near East and Africa are pretty close.
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They’re in the middle of a genetic drift back and forth.
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Read some of the Rastafarian literature.
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They’ll convince you.
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They have a lot of good…
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Edmund Meagher doesn’t go into that.
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He says black is a symbol of the supreme mystical state.
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Only the ignorant Buddhists think white light represents the supreme mystical state.
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The Sufis know that above
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the white light there’s the trance of total
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blackness, which is the highest
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trance of all. It reveals the true
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nature of everything, which
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Alistair Corley described as nothing.
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The true nature of everything is
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nothing.
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That is the negative void. You think of a
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positive void as endless whiteness.
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You’ve got to think of it as endless blackness to get the negative void. You think of a positive void as endless whiteness. You’ve got to think of it
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as endless blackness
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to get the negative void,
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the capitalistic zero.
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And that’s the true essence
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of everything,
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according to the Sufi tradition
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and according to Alistair Crowley.
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Who, by the way,
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was associated with the priest
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who built that church
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in Renly-Chateau?
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He says this place is terrible
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and has the Scotchman
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and Kelseth the crucifixion.
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Crowley learned magic from MacGregor Mathers,
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who was a Scotchman who claimed his family had been free-bases
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since the days of the Knights Templar,
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and that he was the reincarnation of King James II,
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the last Scotch king of England.
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But that’s more or less a digression. Don’t let it confuse you.
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I’m trying to make this as simple as possible.
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Ian Beck, the cult of the black virgin. The priory of science
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put these statues all over Europe. As a matter of fact, there’s one in Dublin.
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Our Lady of Dublin is black. I’ve actually seen her.
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And like all the other black virgins around Europe,
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she was lost and re-found.
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Almost every one of these black statues,
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there’s a legend about how she got lost
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and then miraculously was recovered.
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A Lady of Dublin was found in a blacksmith’s yard
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after being lost for 200 years.
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Genesis.
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This fellow studies the geometry of that church
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in Rennes-le-Chateau
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in relation to the geometry of the surrounding area
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you see he manages to make pentagons
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he manages to make spirals, all sorts of interesting patterns
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this is the one he calls the vagina of Nuit
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Nuit was the Egyptian star goddess.
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This illustrates the first law of lay hunters,
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which is that any group of churches and prehistoric megaliths
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can be connected into an interesting geometrical pattern
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if you use a small enough map and a thick enough pencil.
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He uses a small enough map and a thick enough pencil
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to get the most interesting diagrams I’ve
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ever seen in any of these lay hunting
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books. And he proves, once
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he’s got his diagrams of the relation of
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the church to the prehistoric megaliths
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and
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various stars, he proves
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that France was settled by people
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from Atlantis. When Atlantis
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sank, some of the survivors got to France,
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and they kept alive the tradition of how the human race was created.
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The human race was created by an extraterrestrial named Satan.
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Satan was not an angel at all.
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He was an extraterrestrial.
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And we’ve all got his genetic strain.
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So we are all children of Satan.
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And once we recognize that, we will be liberated
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and ready for the next revelation from
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outer space. Now you’ve got to
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admit,
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you’ve got to admit,
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some
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people are stupid, some people are
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mad shit crazy, and some are just full of shit.
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You’ve got to admit, this is much better bullshit
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than you get from Rompton.
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You’ve got to admit, this is much better bullshit than you get from Romptha.
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Romptha has been dead 40,000 years and hasn’t had an original thought at all that time.
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You can’t get anything from Romptha you can’t get from Paul Mott reading cards.
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Or the editorials in Reader’s Digest this stuff is original and provocative
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this stuff might actually come from
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extraterrestrials
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at least it shows a rather
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transhuman sense of humor
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and a definite attempt to adjust
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our minds in such a way
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that we are no longer sure
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that we fully understand the difference
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between poetry and reality
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which is
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another reason for suspecting Cocteau
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was the main architect.
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But this does
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enlarge the mind, liberate the energies,
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and create an acute case of
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paranoia when you trace all the people
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on that Merovingian chart,
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like Otto von Habsburg, the president
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of the Society for the United States
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of Europe.
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They’ve been working for decades to create a united Europe, which is about to appear.
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Just when they’re about to do it, the whole eastern bloc breaks loose from Russia.
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Why did Gorbachev let them break loose?
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Who’s dealing with who behind the scenes?
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What has this got to do with the gnomes of Zurich? They put up the financing before any major political change can occur.
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What has this got to do with the Pei Du group in Italy?
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Pei Du was using the Vatican Bank
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to launder most of the cocaine money from South America
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and most of the heroin money from the Near East.
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The heroin money came by way of the Grey Wolves,
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one of whom, Mehmet Ali
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Aja, ran
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the money through the Banco Ambrosiano
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in Milan, which was owned by
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the Vatican Bank.
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He tried to shoot the Pope, remember,
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in St. Peter’s Square.
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It’s funny how many people try to kill this Pope.
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It’s like a mafia family,
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isn’t it?
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So, but right now, those of you who are actually desperate to ask questions,
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here’s your chance. Yes?
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Do you have a little bit of a view of the post star?
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The post star, the inventor died.
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It is now being manufactured under the name Blue Star.
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And I have not got the manufacturer’s address number.
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I do have to start out with that full Blue Star.
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Correct me if I’m wrong.
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It’s the best I can do.
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Yes.
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Being a once-editor, playboy, having comments on views, recent narratives,
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I did not know.
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Well, that’s tenuous.
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Seeing as I once lived in Chicago, do I have any comments on the current mayor?
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Son of Richard Daly.
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It sounds like the greatest horror movie ever.
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I had enough of Richard Daly in the 60s.
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You have parents, so you to get married with him.
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I can’t live with them.
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But how about what I said before?
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You mentioned you can work
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except on the shelf of cosmic figures.
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You want to be more of a piece
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for looking into the new technologies.
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Is it worth it?
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Oh, yeah.
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If it ever was. If it ever was.
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If it ever was, it still is.
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It depends on what your picture of the future is.
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My picture of the future is
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unintimidately optimistic.
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I think we’re in a period of fractal chaos
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in which the whole system is
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collapsing
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and every week is a new
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surprise, like they just let Nelson
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Mandela out of South Africa.
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And in Romania, the most terrible
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of all the
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dictatorships, they killed
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the dictator and his wife and passed
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the law against capital punishment.
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And they didn’t let it go on.
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It does in most revolutions, executions upon executions,
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until they create a counter-revolutionary class
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out of the relatives of all the people who got killed.
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And four people have been found guilty of genocide
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and sentenced to life in prison
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instead of being executed.
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That’s a real surprise in the history of revolutions.
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And we’re getting one surprise after another.
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I think this is the period of fractal chaos
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in which the old system is giving way to the new system.
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Of course, fractal chaos has backward as well as forward movements.
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Right now in Southern California, where I live,
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they’re conducting the biggest experiment ever conducted on human beings since Nazi Germany.
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I have strong suspicions that Dr. Mangler has taken over the state of California.
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They are dumping malathion on people every night down there just to see what happens.
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If enough of us survive, they’ll have scientific proof that it’s safe.
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Right now they only have proof that people can survive one dose. They only have proof that people can survive one dose.
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They have no proof that people can survive repeated doses.
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So if enough of us survive, they’ll have proof.
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If enough of us don’t survive, they’ll say,
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oh, well, gee, I guess we fucked up again.
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What do you expect of government?
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It’s a new way.
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Yes.
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Given the situation in Russia,
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do you suspect that the Kremlin has been infiltrated by this
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audience?
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In a sense.
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Bucky Fuller said in 1981 that the technologists were going to take over Russia and their attitude
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is nobody can win a nuclear war,
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so the first thing to do is to abolish the possibility of nuclear war and then introduce the Western-style bourgeois freedoms
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that the communists have always rejected because scientists need that for their work.
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And of course Gorbachev was a good friend of Sakharov,
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and Gorbachev does get a lot of support
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from that part of Russian society.
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So it’s a technocratic revolution.
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But technocrats tend to be discordians anyway,
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so too old for Latin.
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Yes?
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What’s the origin of the word fnord?
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I could get out of here
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alive.
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I’ll quote you
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from the Gospel of Thomas, which is the
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earliest of all Gospels earlier
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than any that got into the Bible.
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It’s dated, it’s probably
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written right after the death of
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the late Redeemer,
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and probably by his twin brother.
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At least according to one version, Thomas means twin.
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It’s just the Gospel of Judah Thomas,
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and that probably means Judah, the twin brother,
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or at least that’s one interpretation of it.
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In there, Jesus tells something to Thomas,
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and the other apostles say,
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what did he whisper to you that he didn’t want the rest of us to hear?
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And Thomas said, if I told you, you would pick up stones and kill me.
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Next question.
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You already have a question you’ve made a lot of very optimistic predictions
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in the past
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a lot of people seem to have predictions about the time frame
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of the changes that we seem to be in
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do you have a latest prediction
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regarding the time frame
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at the whole Robert Hein line Do you have a latest prediction regarding the time frame?
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At the Robert Hein line, it does not pay a profit to be too specific.
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But things have been happening so fast lately.
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When I started, I did a European tour in Rotondo. When I started the tour, people were saying the Berlin Wall is going to come down within ten years.
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When I finished the tour, people were saying, which week will it be?
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When I got back here, the wall came down already.
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I got a piece of the wall on my mantelpiece sent to me by a friend in Berlin.
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Things are happening so fast that the only prediction I’ll make is that everything is
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going to happen faster than we expected.
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Okay, any more questions? Yes? is going to happen faster than we expected.
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Okay, any more questions?
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Yes.
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Where is Gregory Hill, and what’s he up to?
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Gregory Hill is the head of a large computer facility owned by one of the largest banks in the United States.
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He’s not writing anymore, running this big computer complex is keeping him busy enough.
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And he’s still the same whimsical, surrealist character,
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which makes me wonder what’s happening to the banking system.
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Kerry Thornley?
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Kerry Thornley is still sending out long documents
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explaining that he killed John Kennedy while under hypnosis by the CIA,
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and I was his CIA babysitter,
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and I only deny it because all CIA agents deny what they did.
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And I thank him for the publicity.
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May Russell charged in Conspiracy Digest that I am a paid agent of the Rockefeller conspiracy.
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In the next issue of Conspiracy Digest,
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I confess that it was true.
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Nelson, I mean David,
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I said Nelson because when Illuminatus first came out,
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I was disappointed that Dell wasn’t doing enough advertising
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and I didn’t have a budget myself.
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So I said, what can I afford to do?
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So I had a rubber stamp.
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And I put it on all my letters and wherever I went.
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If there wasn’t a comp looking, I’d put it on the billboard.
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I’d put it on toilet paper, men’s room, movie theaters. Everywhere I went, if there wasn’t a compliment, I’d put it on the billboard, I’d put it on toilet paper,
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men’s room, movie theaters,
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everywhere I went I put this
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rubber stamp that said
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Why is Nelson Rockefeller
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never seen in public without his
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trousers? Read Illuminatus.
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That would arouse a lot of curiosity.
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It’s supposed to show artists never
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understand the depth of their own inspiration
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or how the collective unconscious works.
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Because when Nelson Rockefeller died, he didn’t have his trousers on,
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as you may remember.
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Anyway, in my confession in Conspiracy Digest, I said,
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Babe Russell was right.
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David Rockefeller comes around every week and gives me a bar of solid gold.
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And my whole cellar is stacked from floor to ceiling with these bars of Rockefeller comes around every week and gives me a bar of solid gold and my whole cellar is stacked from floor to ceiling
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with these bars of Rockefeller gold
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and then I end in woof, woof, woof
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and I’m sure knowing May
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she was going around showing that layer to people for years
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saying here he confesses
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and he even gives away his extraterrestrial origin
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reference for the dog star in there.
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Okay, we will now continue with the evening’s entertainment.
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I hope you find as many yachts in the second part as you found in the first part.
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During World War II, a young Italian named Vincchio Gelli
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managed to get himself
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a position in the communist
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underground in Italy and a job
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with the Gestapo at the same time
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you will already see that
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Mr. Gelli was
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good at fancy footwork
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he managed to go
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through the whole war
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working for the underground and the Gestapo simultaneously
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persuading each side that he was betraying the other and
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actually loyally serving them.
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A lot of people went to their deaths because Jelly turned them into the
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Gestapo. A lot of people did not go to their deaths because Jelly did not
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turn them into the Gestapo.
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There was some attempt to bring him to trial as a war criminal at the end of the war,
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but this was stopped by the numbers of people who came forth and said,
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he helped the army, he wasn’t anybody in the police, so he got off scot-free.
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He thereupon went to work, set up an office in Rome with a couple of friends who were expert forgers, and created an alternative IED for
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not wanted Nazi war criminals, most of whom went to Latin America.
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And Gelli later got them jobs with American intelligence there.
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Among them was Ross Barley, whom you may have heard of.
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Gelli pretty soon staffed the Latin American branch of the CIA
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with Nazi war criminals,
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one or two of whom gets caught every year,
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and the CIA always throws up their hands and says,
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we didn’t know he was a Nazi war criminal.
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We thought he just looked like that Nazi war criminal.
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Jelly officially went to work
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for the CIA in the 1950s
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he was working out of the American
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embassy in Rome according to
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quite a few witnesses
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one of his first major jobs
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for the CIA was turning the
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Italian labor movement away from
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the left wing direction it was taking
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after Albuotto
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in a right wing direction
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he accomplished this by a variety of means direction it was taking after Obrado in a right-wing direction.
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He accomplished this by a variety of means, one of which was persuading Sofia Larran,
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the star in a television commercial, denouncing the left-wing unions and telling everybody
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to join the right-wing unions, for which Sofia got paid a pretty penny, a pile of lira. Like I told you, you can get movie stars to say anything these days.
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That didn’t exactly turn the tide all by itself,
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so Gelli hired a bunch of his friends in the mafia
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to shoot all the heads of the left-wing labor unions in Italy
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who wouldn’t take bribes and take more right-wing positions.
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And so the CIA was very delighted with Mr. Gelli,
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and he became one of their major European assets, as they say,
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just like Noriega and Panama, a major asset.
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Around this time, Gelli was recruited by the KGB.
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Well, why not?
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If you can convince the Nazis and the Communists
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you’re on the same side during World War II,
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you can convince the CIA and the Communists
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you’re on their side during the Cold War.
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So he was receiving payments from the KGB and the CIA
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for a variety of projects
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when he entered the Grand Orient Lodge of Egyptian Freemasonry.
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The Grand Orient Lodge of Egyptian Freemasonry was founded in 1771 by the Duke of Orléans,
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who had ambitions of becoming king.
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Orléans knew that if the right seven people died
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at the right time,
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he would succeed to being king.
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It was just a question of persuading
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these seven people to die at the right times.
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And as some Italian Renaissance prince
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picked up though that he is pushed by a friend,
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it is only important that he is dead.
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There are some Italians who felt that you had to know
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a friend was doing it to you when it happened.
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Well, to get into the subtleties of the
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Roman psyche, it goes a little too deep,
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but you’ve got to read the Maltese for welcome, I suppose.
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Well, anyway,
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Leon was
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assisted in founding the Grand Orient Lodge by Count Cagliostro,
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who, as everybody knows, was actually a Sicilian gypsy named Joseph Balsamo.
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Everybody knows that who hasn’t read Charles Floyd and Colin Wilson,
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both of whom have pointed out that the identification of Cagliostro with Balsamo
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was made by one witness, was never proved, and it’s just been repeated by historians
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because nobody knows who he really was.
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And most historians go on the principle,
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if you find one source that says something
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and all the other sources don’t know anything,
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we’ll just repeat this.
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Nobody actually knows who Cagliostro was
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or where he came from,
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except that he seemed to belong to every secret society in Europe,
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had all their insignias on his robes,
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threw all their secret grips and passwords,
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and had a hell of a lot of money,
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which he distributed in poor neighborhoods all over France
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while he was doing miracle healings using mesmerism.
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And the Grand Orient Lodge became the biggest Masonic lodge in pre-revolutionary France
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and the leaders of the Grand Orient Lodge
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who all ended up the leaders of the new government
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after the revolution
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except for Orléans who got his head chopped off
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which illustrates
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Wilson’s first law of conspiracies
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the greatest conspirators
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are usually the greatest fuck-ups
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Orléans did not get what he wanted.
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He got his head chopped off instead.
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Cagliostro died in a dungeon in Rome, awaiting trial by the Inquisition.
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The Grand Orient Lodge was involved in quite a lot of radical activity
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through the 19th century, including the Paris Commune of the 1870s. When Gelley entered the Grand Orient Lodge, he ascended
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to the third degree, which is pretty low, comparatively speaking, because there are
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32 degrees. After attending the third degree, learning the identity of the widow’s son,
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and that of which it is wisest not to speak,
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Gelli founded Propaganda Due,
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which was named after Propaganda Uno,
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which was a Masonic socialist conspiracy of the 1870s.
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Except Propaganda Due, unlike Propaganda Uno,
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was not a socialist conspiracy, it was a fascist conspiracy.
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He recruited most of the remaining fascists in Italy
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and then set about recruiting everybody in a position of power.
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One of the rules of Propagandaet was that you had to write out,
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in handwriting, not typewriting,
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you had to write in your own handwriting
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and give to the grandmaster of the lodge,
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Michio Gelli,
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a complete confession of all your crimes and sins,
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everything illegal and unethical you had ever done.
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And because Propaganda Dewey had quite the reputation of being the people who were getting
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into power in Italy, a lot of people wanted to join, so they wrote out these confessions.
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And this gave Jelley ample opportunity to blackmail people who didn’t want to join
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Pei Dewey.
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He called them up and told them what he had in his files and said, unless you join Pei
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Dewey, this ain’t paid to wait.
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This goes to the press tomorrow.
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So in 1981, when paid to wait exploded into public notice,
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they discovered there were 451 members of paid to wait in key positions
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in the Italian government, including the head of the secret police.
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When the police went to arrest Gelli,
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he had already left Italy and flown to Uruguay
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because the head of the secret police had tipped him off,
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being a member of Pei Nui himself.
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The head of the secret police was indicted for conspiring with Gelli
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to overthrow the government and install a new fascist government.
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And in the course of this conspiracy,
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they performed, the investigating magistrates
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alleged several terrorist bombings,
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which they blamed on the Red Brigades
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to persuade the Italians there was a massive anarchist threat
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loose in the country and they needed a fascist government
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to protect them from it.
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The head of the secret police died before he could be brought to trial.
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He was a knight of Malta.
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So was Gelli.
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The knights of Malta are an ancient Vatican secret society devoted to trying to put things
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back to the way they were in the 13th century, more or less.
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The main purpose of the knights of Malta is to correct
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the errors that have crept
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into the Western world since the rise
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of Protestantism.
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The Western world is full of people who
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do not acknowledge the infallibility
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of the Pope. This is an error.
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The Western world
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is full of people who believe it’s legitimate
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to overthrow and ordain the monarch.
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This is an error.
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Pope Leo
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the 40 findeth,
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as Joyce calls him.
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What Leo was, what number did he have?
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Oh, you know the bastard I mean.
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Leo in the 1870s, he wrote a
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syllabus of errors, listing
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all the errors of the modern world. Most of them
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you’ll find in the American Bill of Rights.
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These are all errors.
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Freedom of the press is an error.
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The press only has the freedom to print the truth,
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and the church defines the truth.
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The idea that we can print whatever we want is an error.
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The function of the Knights of Walter
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is to undo the Protestant Reformation,
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undo the democratic revolutions of the 18th century,
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and reestablish papal control over the whole world the way it should be,
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the way Jesus intended to be when he founded the Catholic Church.
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You all know Jesus founded the Catholic Church, right?
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So Gelli was a Knight of Malta. The chief of the secret police was a Knight of Malta.
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Within masonry, which the Knights of Malta have been trying to abolish for 200 years,
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they founded this quasi-masonic order called Pei Dui.
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The next in line, the chief of the secret police,
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after the chief, the head of the secret police died,
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turned out to be a member of Pei Dui also.
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He was brought to trial for conspiracy
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in the Bologna railway bomb in Aquitaine.
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Gelli, in the early 1970s,
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had recruited Roberto Calvi,
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who was a middle-ranked officer
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of Banco Rosiano,
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a bank owned by the Vatican Bank
00:31:05 ►
but operating as a separate organization in Milan.
00:31:09 ►
Roberto Calvi believed that power in this world
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is based on what the Italians call secret power.
00:31:20 ►
World open power is based on secret power
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that works behind the scenes.
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Calvi told this to everybody he ever got into a philosophical discussion with.
00:31:29 ►
He told it to his son.
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He told it to other workers at the bank.
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It was one of his favorite topics when he wasn’t recommending The Godfather.
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Calvi always told everybody, there’s only one novel you have to read.
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Read The Godfather.
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That’s the book that shows the way the world is really run. The rest of it
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is all romantic nonsense.
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So Calvi had a
00:31:50 ►
deep passion to find out who held
00:31:52 ►
the secret power so he could
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join them and be on the winning side,
00:31:56 ►
which makes a lot of sense if you want to be on
00:31:58 ►
the winning side. I’m always amazed by
00:31:59 ►
paranoids who find out who holds the power
00:32:02 ►
and then spend all their time fighting with them.
00:32:04 ►
If you know who holds the power,
00:32:06 ►
the thing to do is join them. If you’re going to fight them,
00:32:08 ►
you’re just going to weigh yourself down, right?
00:32:10 ►
Doesn’t that make sense?
00:32:12 ►
Or do we have some idealists left in the world?
00:32:16 ►
Well, Calde joined
00:32:18 ►
Propaganda Due
00:32:19 ►
and got to
00:32:22 ►
be president of Bato and Grosiano.
00:32:24 ►
Nicolai Sindona, who was a lawyer for the mafia,
00:32:28 ►
for several mafia families, in particular in Sicily,
00:32:31 ►
he joined Pei Due
00:32:33 ►
and got sent over to the United States
00:32:36 ►
where he offered Richard Nixon a million dollars
00:32:38 ►
for the 1972 campaign,
00:32:41 ►
which Nixon’s people decided to decline
00:32:44 ►
because they didn’t like the possibility
00:32:47 ►
of this being traced back to the mafia.
00:32:49 ►
Whether they ever managed to give the million dollars to Nixon through some subterranean
00:32:53 ►
channel, they have been unable to discover.
00:32:56 ►
But Sedona was at Nixon’s inauguration that year.
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Sedona founded the Franklin National Bank in this country and initially thereafter was convicted of 65 counts of stock and currency fraud
00:33:10 ►
and faking his own kidnapping to avoid trial on those 65 counts
00:33:15 ►
then E. Hyatt Nixon was out of office by then
00:33:18 ►
E. Hyatt Nixon’s law firm to fight his extradition to Italy
00:33:22 ►
and they fought for a long time, seven or eight years,
00:33:25 ►
before Sandona was finally sent back to Italy,
00:33:29 ►
where he was convicted of murdering a bank examiner
00:33:31 ►
in connection with the failure of several of his banks over there,
00:33:35 ►
from which he had embezzled as much money as he had embezzled
00:33:38 ►
from the Franklin National Bank over here.
00:33:42 ►
And then he was about to stand trial
00:33:45 ►
for conspiracy with Gelli
00:33:46 ►
and General Michielli
00:33:50 ►
of the secret police,
00:33:51 ►
and Michio Gelli,
00:33:53 ►
and this fascist conspiracy
00:33:55 ►
to overthrow the government of Italy.
00:33:57 ►
Before he could stand trial on that charge,
00:33:59 ►
he was poisoned in his cell.
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Roberto Calvi,
00:34:02 ►
who was indicted for embezzling
00:34:04 ►
from his own bank, for laundering
00:34:07 ►
heroin money for the Gray Wolves and other groups in the Near East. The Gray Wolves are
00:34:13 ►
especially interesting. They believe Allah, the Islamic God, has appointed them to destroy
00:34:19 ►
the state of Israel. Now, Allah, like many gods, is inscrutable. He says, go do this, and he doesn’t tell you
00:34:28 ►
how. The gray wolves are a bunch of poor Palestinians with not a pot to piss in, so to speak, or
00:34:34 ►
at least they were when they started out. How are they going to overthrow Israel? Well,
00:34:39 ►
they figured out how. They started dealing heroin. And pretty soon they had enough money to buy lots of
00:34:46 ►
guns. And then they found
00:34:47 ►
another source of money. They started renting out
00:34:50 ►
some of their leading, their most talented
00:34:51 ►
young men as assassins to other terrorist
00:34:54 ►
groups around Europe.
00:34:55 ►
And that made more money for them.
00:34:58 ►
Finally, one of them tried to shoot the Pope
00:34:59 ►
for reasons that have never been explained.
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It gets Byzantine,
00:35:04 ►
doesn’t it?
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This money was being laundered through the Banco Imposiano,
00:35:08 ►
which was owned by the Vatican Bank,
00:35:10 ►
which was managed by Archbishop Paul Machenkis.
00:35:14 ►
Have you ever heard of Archbishop Paul Machenkis before tonight?
00:35:18 ►
Isn’t that amazing?
00:35:20 ►
Everybody in Europe has heard of Archbishop Paul by now.
00:35:23 ►
Everybody in Europe has heard of Archbishop Paul by now.
00:35:30 ►
And in this country, you get into the headlines back in the early 70s,
00:35:33 ►
when Frank Hogan, the District Attorney of New York,
00:35:37 ►
tried to extradite him to the United States to stand trial,
00:35:40 ►
and the Vatican refused to let him be extradited.
00:35:43 ►
And there was a bit of a tussle over that.
00:35:47 ►
What Hogan wanted Marchikas to stand trial for was,
00:35:51 ►
Hogan had, and his investigators,
00:35:56 ►
had discovered that the Rizzi family in New York and the Roselli family in Las Vegas,
00:36:00 ►
now Johnny Roselli started out as a gunman for Al Capone,
00:36:04 ►
but he ended up running all mafia projects in the Las Vegas, Nevada area.
00:36:10 ►
Johnny Roselli was frequently accused of being in on the Kennedy assassination
00:36:14 ►
by various amateurish and bungling conspiracy investigators who aren’t as smart as I am.
00:36:22 ►
I mean, by conspiracy investigators of the highest intelligence
00:36:25 ►
and integrity who arrived at different conclusions
00:36:27 ►
than me.
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Johnny
00:36:31 ►
Roselli and
00:36:33 ►
the Rizzi family
00:36:35 ►
in New York printed a billion dollars
00:36:37 ►
in counterfeit stock and
00:36:39 ►
deposited them in the Vatican Bank
00:36:41 ►
whereupon they disappeared.
00:36:43 ►
The Vatican Bank is the financial equivalent of a black hole.
00:36:47 ►
You know, a black hole, nothing ever gets out of it, not even light.
00:36:51 ►
Even light can’t escape from a black hole.
00:36:53 ►
Well, nobody knows what’s going on in the Vatican Bank except the people who run it,
00:36:58 ►
because the Italian bank examiners can’t get in.
00:37:01 ►
The Vatican is not part of Italy.
00:37:04 ►
It’s a sovereign state. That’s why
00:37:06 ►
Noriega could take refuge in the Vatican Embassy. It’s a sovereign state. They have
00:37:10 ►
embassies just like any other government. They’re not only a church, they’re a
00:37:14 ►
government too. So nobody can get into the Vatican Bank. So once something gets
00:37:19 ►
into the Vatican Bank, it disappears from profane view and only God and Archbishop
00:37:24 ►
Marchinkas know what becomes of it. So one billion dollars of
00:37:27 ►
counterfeit stock went into the Vatican Bank and was seen no more.
00:37:31 ►
Now letters were produced in which Archbishop Marchinkas is corresponding
00:37:36 ►
with Gianni Roselli about getting this billion dollars in counterfeit stock.
00:37:40 ►
Now the defenders of the good Archbishop, of whom you’ll
00:37:44 ►
find quite a few among biased
00:37:45 ►
Roman Catholics who don’t want to believe that an Archbishop would be engaged in knowingly
00:37:50 ►
dealing in counterfeit stocks, they claim he thought he was buying real stocks.
00:37:54 ►
He didn’t know the Mafia prints counterfeit stocks.
00:37:57 ►
Well, that’s possible.
00:37:58 ►
Maybe he thought he was dealing in baby booties and they never explained that.
00:38:02 ►
But if he thought he was buying real stocks, it’s very
00:38:06 ►
strange that he paid only one-tenth of the
00:38:08 ►
face value because that’s the going
00:38:10 ►
price for counterfeit stocks.
00:38:11 ►
One-tenth of the face value.
00:38:14 ►
Counterfeit stocks travel around
00:38:16 ►
the world faster and faster
00:38:18 ►
all the time going in one direction.
00:38:20 ►
It’s very much like quantum theory.
00:38:21 ►
You never know where they are. You just know
00:38:24 ►
they’ve been here and how they’re going to be there. You never know where they are. You just know they’ve been here,
00:38:26 ►
now they’re going to be there.
00:38:27 ►
You never know where they are.
00:38:32 ►
If you have a business that’s in trouble and you buy counterfeits,
00:38:35 ►
you buy enough counterfeit stocks,
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let’s say you can be,
00:38:39 ►
you’ve got enough capital to,
00:38:41 ►
let’s say, just a million dollars.
00:38:43 ►
So you’ve got a million dollars
00:38:44 ►
and you have debts of $3 million
00:38:46 ►
and they’re all gone.
00:38:48 ►
The sheriff is at the door.
00:38:49 ►
Your business might go bankrupt any day.
00:38:51 ►
So you take your million dollars
00:38:53 ►
and buy $10 million worth of counterfeit stocks.
00:38:56 ►
You deposit the $10 million of counterfeit stocks
00:38:59 ►
into your bank.
00:38:59 ►
You’ve now got a $10 million line of credit.
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You pay off everybody you owe money to.
00:39:04 ►
You’re not in trouble anymore.
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You expand your business.
00:39:06 ►
You hire new people.
00:39:07 ►
You build new plants.
00:39:10 ►
And then you sell the stock to somebody else equally desperate.
00:39:15 ►
And if the stock keep moving fast enough, they don’t get caught.
00:39:20 ►
The stocks that get caught are not counterfeit stocks by and large.
00:39:23 ►
It’s stolen stocks that banks are apt to notice.
00:39:26 ►
Counterfeit stocks, they sometimes notice,
00:39:29 ►
but if they move fast enough, the banks don’t look at them that closely,
00:39:32 ►
and so they keep traveling.
00:39:34 ►
So this billion dollars in counterfeit stocks went into the Vatican Bank,
00:39:38 ►
and God knows where it went after that.
00:39:40 ►
The banks started collapsing all over the world.
00:39:43 ►
Wall Street almost collapsed in this continuous turmoil in the international economic community
00:39:49 ►
because $10 billion in counterfeit stocks is more goddamn counterfeit stocks
00:39:53 ►
than had ever been loosed at any one time before.
00:39:57 ►
Well, District Attorney Hogan did not manage to extradite Wachinkas.
00:40:01 ►
Nixon intervened to protect Wachinkas.
00:40:04 ►
to extradite Wachinkas, Nixon intervened to protect Wachinkas.
00:40:10 ►
There’s a slight implication that Nixon was afraid of losing the Catholic vote.
00:40:11 ►
I don’t know.
00:40:15 ►
Nixon also had Sedona as a guest at his inauguration, so one feels there was a closer connection than just the Catholic vote.
00:40:32 ►
In 1981, the district attorney of Dade County indicted eight officers of the World Finance Corporation in Miami for operating, he said, knowingly operating the largest cocaine laundromat
00:40:40 ►
ever uncovered.
00:40:50 ►
The DA got interested in this bank, the World Finance Corporation,
00:40:58 ►
because garbage men had told the police that they kept finding marijuana stems in the garbage.
00:41:03 ►
Now, not stems, the stalks, the stalks that you break the stems off before you take the leaves off the stems, you know.
00:41:06 ►
They’re great big marijuana stalks in the garbage all the time.
00:41:09 ►
And these garbage men apparently weren’t pot smokers themselves,
00:41:15 ►
but they would have kept their mouths shut,
00:41:16 ►
just went into the bank and said, can we buy some?
00:41:19 ►
They went and told the police, and the police told the DA,
00:41:22 ►
and they put the bank under surveillance,
00:41:24 ►
and they very soon discovered that people were coming from Panama every day
00:41:28 ►
with briefcases full of cash.
00:41:31 ►
Panama is the only country in the world that uses American dollars outside America
00:41:35 ►
as its currency.
00:41:37 ►
These people are coming every day with briefcases full of money,
00:41:40 ►
not checks, cash.
00:41:42 ►
And this bank was running it all through the Cisalpine Bank in the Bahamas.
00:41:47 ►
And so the district attorney started investigating the Cisalpine Bank in the Bahamas.
00:41:53 ►
And guess who owned the Cisalpine Bank in the Bahamas?
00:41:56 ►
Archbishop Marchinkas and Roberto Calvi.
00:42:00 ►
And the money went from the Cisalpine Bank to the Vatican Bank,
00:42:04 ►
along with all the heroin money from the gray wolves in the Catholicisalpine Bank to the Vatican Bank, along with all the heroin
00:42:06 ►
money from the gray wolves and the Catholic Church was getting richer all the time.
00:42:09 ►
Some of the money was going to Poland to support solidarity, which made the CIA very happy.
00:42:17 ►
A lot of the money found its way back to Central America to support the death squads that the
00:42:22 ►
CIA is running, because the Senate Intelligence
00:42:25 ►
Committee, from the time Jimmy Carter got in in 1976 until Reagan got in in 1980, the
00:42:34 ►
Senate Intelligence Committee was getting a lot of cooperation from Stanfield Turner,
00:42:41 ►
who was the head of the CIA at that time, disapproved of the CIA’s involvement with the drug business
00:42:47 ►
and fired over 400 agents for being involved in the drug business.
00:42:53 ►
And the Senate Intelligence Committee was learning a great deal
00:42:55 ►
about the CIA’s involvement in the drug business,
00:42:58 ►
so the CIA fired all these people,
00:43:00 ►
who thereupon went into the drug business in a much bigger way than ever before.
00:43:10 ►
And Theodore Shapley, who was running all this, was dispatched by them,
00:43:15 ►
according to the Christic Institute, which has documents, he was dispatched by them to persuade George Bush, who had been the supervisor of the whole project, to run for president.
00:43:20 ►
So if they could get Bush into the White House, they could go back into business as they were
00:43:24 ►
doing it before,
00:43:25 ►
inside the government instead of outside the government,
00:43:28 ►
and thereby have greater protection.
00:43:31 ►
Well, Bush did not win the presidency.
00:43:33 ►
He only got the vice presidency.
00:43:36 ►
But Reagan made him the head of the National Security Agency,
00:43:38 ►
which gave him oversight over the CIA,
00:43:41 ►
so they were all soon back in business again,
00:43:44 ►
which is why in 1981
00:43:46 ►
they had this bank with eight CIA agents running it in Miami.
00:43:51 ►
I was laundering all this cocaine money to pay for the death squads, which Congress wasn’t
00:43:55 ►
supposed to know anything about, and which most Americans still don’t know anything about
00:43:59 ►
even today.
00:44:00 ►
You say death squads to most people and they say, oh, you mean the Nazis in the Second World War, something like that? No, I mean death squads right now all over Latin
00:44:10 ►
America, killing anybody who objects to American domination. They come into villages at night,
00:44:15 ►
they shoot people at random to terrorize the whole village. This is being paid for by the
00:44:20 ►
drug business. I’m sorry if you like cocaine. This might make you feel a bit queasy about it,
00:44:26 ►
but I told you you wouldn’t find this plot
00:44:28 ►
as funny as the first plot.
00:44:30 ►
I’m telling you occult secrets.
00:44:32 ►
These are things that are hidden
00:44:33 ►
that the profane do not know about,
00:44:35 ►
that are not revealed in the mass media.
00:44:44 ►
The World Finance Corporation
00:44:47 ►
was run by Hernandez Kataya
00:44:48 ►
who was one of the people along with Howard Hunt
00:44:53 ►
who had masterminded the Bay of Pigs invasion
00:44:57 ►
now in the Watergate tapes
00:44:59 ►
don’t they sound like Nate Russell?
00:45:01 ►
yes of course
00:45:03 ►
in the Watergate tapes
00:45:06 ►
you find that Howard Hunt
00:45:08 ►
demanded a million dollars
00:45:09 ►
among other things
00:45:11 ►
he threatened to tell the truth
00:45:13 ►
about Watergate
00:45:13 ►
but he said he’d reveal
00:45:15 ►
that whole Bay of Pigs thing
00:45:16 ►
and Nixon says
00:45:18 ►
oh we can’t let him talk about
00:45:20 ►
that Bay of Pigs thing
00:45:22 ►
I’ll get the million dollars
00:45:23 ►
I know how to get a million dollars.
00:45:25 ►
Remember that part of the tapes?
00:45:27 ►
Does anybody remember? It was way back. It was
00:45:29 ►
- Does anybody remember that
00:45:31 ►
part back?
00:45:33 ►
You can still see dramatizations
00:45:36 ►
of these tapes with Rip Thorpe playing
00:45:38 ►
Nixon on the television.
00:45:42 ►
What Bay of Pigs thing
00:45:43 ►
was Nixon so worried about
00:45:45 ►
that he was willing to pay a million dollars
00:45:46 ►
I thought all the Bay of Pigs secrets were out by 73
00:45:50 ►
apparently there was something that was still hidden in 73
00:45:53 ►
and Nixon paid a million dollars to keep it covered up
00:45:57 ►
and it hasn’t come out yet
00:45:58 ►
Hunt kept his mouth shut
00:46:00 ►
Hunt’s wife got the first payment of the million dollars
00:46:03 ►
got on a plane and the plane crashed ashore at a Chicago airport, you may remember.
00:46:08 ►
The pilot was found to have an unusual concentration of cyanide in his blood.
00:46:13 ►
But the investigator, who was appointed by Nixon,
00:46:16 ►
Nixon threw out the head of the FAA, which investigates such things,
00:46:19 ►
and put in somebody else, who announced,
00:46:22 ►
oh, it’s normal for people to have that much time.
00:46:28 ►
That’s what they say.
00:46:29 ►
I swear, that’s what they say.
00:46:32 ►
When Ronald Reagan took office,
00:46:35 ►
Lee Chiogeli was a guest of the inaugural party.
00:46:36 ►
Remember Lee Chiogeli? He was the one who set up this whole organization
00:46:39 ►
between the Knights of Walter, the CIA,
00:46:42 ►
and the cocaine business, and the death squads,
00:46:44 ►
and the lost Barbie and his old friends from Wichita.
00:46:49 ►
In 1944, before the invasion of Sicily,
00:46:55 ►
the OSS, the parent of the CIA,
00:47:00 ►
went to Lucky Luciano,
00:47:09 ►
who was serving a term for procuring,
00:47:13 ►
or for running a prostitution ring, or whatever the hell is the legal term for it,
00:47:16 ►
and they told Lucky Luciano,
00:47:22 ►
we’ll get you out of prison early if you will send messages to your friends in the Sicilian mafia to help the American troops in the invasion rather than opposing them.
00:47:27 ►
Luciano agreed.
00:47:28 ►
The invasion of Sicily went off very smoothly and quickly,
00:47:32 ►
and the American intelligence community found itself married to the mafia from then on.
00:47:38 ►
They never did get untangled.
00:47:40 ►
After the war, they used the mafia to attack the French labor unions in southern France,
00:47:46 ►
and then onward through Liceo Gelli, they went after the Italian labor unions and so on.
00:47:52 ►
And it gets harder and harder as decades pass from the 1940s to the present.
00:47:59 ►
You can never say this was mafia or this was CIA.
00:48:03 ►
The two are so intertwined that all you can
00:48:05 ►
say is this was mafia and or CIA. On the other hand, William Casey, who died while under
00:48:13 ►
investigation in the Iran contract, wait a minute, that was General Musubiqi, he died
00:48:18 ►
while under investigation in the Bologna railway block. Oh, it happened to William Casey, too.
00:48:22 ►
railway block. Oh, it happened to William Casey, too.
00:48:24 ►
People under investigation
00:48:25 ►
often die suddenly.
00:48:27 ►
It’s the stress of publicity, I guess.
00:48:32 ►
William Casey, like General
00:48:33 ►
Musumichi, was a knight of Malta.
00:48:36 ►
Just like Michio Gelli, who set
00:48:37 ►
this whole thing up. Just like
00:48:39 ►
Roberto Calvi, who ran the Bancor
00:48:41 ►
and Rosiano and the Cisalpine Bank
00:48:43 ►
with Archbishop Machinkas, Roberto Calvi
00:48:46 ►
was found hanging from a bridge in London
00:48:48 ►
on June
00:48:50 ►
18, 1982.
00:48:53 ►
Scotland New Yard ruled
00:48:54 ►
that it was suicide. There was a lot
00:48:56 ►
of criticism in the English newspapers
00:48:58 ►
and there was especially a hell
00:49:00 ►
of a lot of criticism of the fact that
00:49:02 ►
Calvi was a Freemason and the
00:49:04 ►
detective who investigated for Scotland New Yvi was a Freemason and the detective who investigated for Scotland Yard
00:49:06 ►
was a Freemason too
00:49:07 ►
and that Calvi was found hanging
00:49:10 ►
where the rising tide had covered his dead body
00:49:12 ►
now the first degree
00:49:14 ►
oath in Freemasonry includes
00:49:16 ►
or used to include
00:49:17 ►
they changed it since Calvi’s death
00:49:19 ►
it used to include
00:49:21 ►
and if I ever betray my fellows in the craft
00:49:24 ►
may I be hanged where the rising tide will cover my dead body Anyway, it used to include, and if I ever betray my fellows in the craft,
00:49:28 ►
may I be hanged where the rising tide will cover my dead body,
00:49:34 ►
which pretty clearly indicates that Calvi was killed by his fellow Freemasons or by somebody who ardently wishes us to think he was killed by his fellow Freemasons.
00:49:40 ►
His wife claims he was killed by the Vatican.
00:49:43 ►
Clara Calvi has said consistently from the beginning,
00:49:47 ►
from the time Calvi was found hanging from the bridge,
00:49:49 ►
she still says he told her he called from London
00:49:53 ►
and said he was going to come back there,
00:49:54 ►
but he surrendered, turned state’s evidence,
00:49:57 ►
and revealed the people in the Vatican
00:49:59 ►
who had hatched all these major crimes he was involved in.
00:50:03 ►
Generally, when you turn state’s evidence
00:50:04 ►
on crimes of that level,
00:50:06 ►
you get off and the other people take the fall.
00:50:09 ►
And he said he’s afraid that the Vatican will try to kill him,
00:50:13 ►
but he thought he had enough on them that they wouldn’t dare do it in public.
00:50:17 ►
That’s sort of the way General Noriega feels right now.
00:50:20 ►
They won’t dare do it.
00:50:21 ►
Well, everybody knows I’m here in the prison.
00:50:25 ►
Anybody want to give a rise that Noriega will survive two months?
00:50:30 ►
Probably not.
00:50:32 ►
Two months?
00:50:34 ►
How about three months?
00:50:36 ►
No?
00:50:41 ►
Calvi’s son also says the Bannigan murdered his death.
00:50:47 ►
There’s another book written by the Italian journalist who claims the mafia
00:50:48 ►
killed Calvi because Yeshua changed them
00:50:51 ►
on one of the heroin deals
00:50:52 ►
so there’s more than one theory about Calvi
00:50:55 ►
now the interesting thing is the Knights
00:50:57 ►
of Malta include
00:50:59 ►
Otto von Habsburg
00:51:00 ►
who’s also a member of the Priory
00:51:03 ►
of Zion and the president of the Society for the United States of Europe
00:51:07 ►
and a direct descendant of Jesus Christ,
00:51:09 ►
if you believe the genealogies in Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
00:51:14 ►
So maybe the earth is hollow after all.
00:51:19 ►
In Costa Rica, there is a farm far, far away.
00:51:26 ►
And the farm belonged to a man named John Hull.
00:51:29 ►
How many
00:51:30 ►
people have ever heard of John Hull?
00:51:32 ►
Hey, hey, are we getting
00:51:33 ►
winning too?
00:51:37 ►
John Hull
00:51:38 ►
is
00:51:40 ►
an allegedly former CIA
00:51:42 ►
agent, like the eight guys
00:51:44 ►
who were running the World Finance Corporation
00:51:46 ►
in Miami. The DA claimed
00:51:48 ►
they were all still
00:51:50 ►
CIA agents. The CIA
00:51:52 ►
claimed they were ex-CIA
00:51:54 ►
agents. It seems to me
00:51:56 ►
the distinction is very metaphysical.
00:52:00 ►
It’s been, in essence,
00:52:02 ►
fouché, at least. It’s been common practice
00:52:04 ►
in the intelligence to fire
00:52:06 ►
somebody when you want them to do something
00:52:08 ►
so bad that you don’t want to
00:52:09 ►
track back to the agency.
00:52:11 ►
So they get fired and they get paid through a
00:52:13 ►
bank account in Switzerland and they go on
00:52:15 ►
working, but nobody can prove it.
00:52:18 ►
And the eight guys who were running the
00:52:19 ►
World Finance Corporation laundering all
00:52:22 ►
that cocaine money seem to be in that
00:52:23 ►
class.
00:52:30 ►
And John Hull was probably in that class too.
00:52:33 ►
He had a huge farm in Costa Rica.
00:52:41 ►
The Costa Rican government has indicted him for using the farm to illegally receive arms from Ali North, transport the arms to the Contras in Nicaragua, pick up
00:52:46 ►
cocaine from the Contras and ship the cocaine back to Miami.
00:52:52 ►
And John Hull left Costa Rica as soon as they indicted him.
00:52:58 ►
He disappeared for a while.
00:52:59 ►
He was then reported in Miami.
00:53:01 ►
The Costa Rican government asked the American government to extradite him.
00:53:06 ►
The Justice Department replied that they couldn’t find him.
00:53:09 ►
It turns out he’s living on a ranch in Indiana.
00:53:12 ►
But the Justice Department still hasn’t gotten around to extraditing him back to Costa Rica.
00:53:17 ►
Meanwhile, the Costa Rican government, after further investigation,
00:53:20 ►
has indicted John Holt for murder in the La Penca bombing,
00:53:24 ►
Further investigation has indicted John Hull for murder in the La Penca bombing,
00:53:30 ►
in which several journalists were killed trying to cover an interview,
00:53:35 ►
a public statement by a guy who was on the side of the Sandinistas during the revolution against Somoza,
00:53:38 ►
decided he didn’t like the Sandinista government, joined the Contras,
00:53:42 ►
decided he didn’t like the Contptres and started his own revolution.
00:53:46 ►
And he was going to make a statement
00:53:48 ►
denouncing the Comptres as being a tool of the CIA
00:53:51 ►
when the bomb was set that killed several journalists.
00:53:56 ►
The Christic Institute claims to have enough evidence
00:53:58 ►
to prove that John Hull and his crowd at the ranch
00:54:02 ►
manufactured the bomb.
00:54:04 ►
And it was delivered by a CIA
00:54:05 ►
agent. The Costa Rican government
00:54:07 ►
believes it and they indicted Hull for the murder.
00:54:10 ►
The media in this
00:54:12 ►
country, for some reason, is not interested
00:54:14 ►
in John Hull at all.
00:54:15 ►
I don’t know how the hell you people ever found out
00:54:18 ►
about John Hull. You’ve got to hunt and hunt
00:54:20 ►
to find stories about the Hull case.
00:54:23 ►
Hull was introduced
00:54:24 ►
to Ali North by Dan Quayle.
00:54:29 ►
This was in the L.A. Times the day Hull was indicted for murder.
00:54:33 ►
And I thought, Dan Quayle? Now where have I heard that name before?
00:54:36 ►
And I remembered George Bush, who was persuaded to run for president by Theodore Sheckley.
00:54:42 ►
Theodore Sheckley, who was running the C-Corp, Hakeem,
00:54:46 ►
cocaine and guns cartel
00:54:48 ►
all those years after Jimmy Carter
00:54:50 ►
threw them out of the CIA.
00:54:52 ►
And Theodore Shackley
00:54:53 ►
was running this whole goddamn
00:54:55 ►
guns cocaine thing.
00:54:57 ►
He, I got so entangled
00:55:00 ►
in my grammar I forgot where I was going.
00:55:05 ►
He asked Bush to run for president. Yeah, The was going. He asked Bush to run for president. Yeah, I think Rush actually asked
00:55:08 ►
Bush to run for president. Bush didn’t make it the first time. The next time he ran for
00:55:12 ►
president, he said, look at who I select for vice president. That will
00:55:16 ►
tell you all about me. Now, you track
00:55:20 ►
Dan Quayle’s record back, and he wasn’t ever get out of the Indiana National Guard.
00:55:24 ►
There’s a hell of a lot of evidence that while serving
00:55:26 ►
in Congress, he was also working for the CIA
00:55:28 ►
with the whole, and with the
00:55:30 ►
Shackley bunch outside the CIA.
00:55:32 ►
That’s how we got to know John
00:55:34 ►
Hall when he introduced to Ali
00:55:36 ►
North. Now, if you
00:55:38 ►
look at Ali North
00:55:39 ►
in his testimony, you will notice
00:55:41 ►
that he has a certain interesting
00:55:44 ►
expression in his eyes.
00:55:46 ►
And if you think back,
00:55:48 ►
those of you who are old enough, you’ll
00:55:49 ►
remember another leading figure
00:55:52 ►
in 20th century politics who
00:55:54 ►
had that kind of expression in his eyes.
00:55:57 ►
That was Adolf Hitler,
00:55:58 ►
who was on cocaine
00:55:59 ►
almost continually from 1936
00:56:02 ►
until he died. Adolf Hitler
00:56:04 ►
was the biggest coke freak in Europe.
00:56:06 ►
He was also taking steroids.
00:56:09 ►
And Hitler got more and more of that same look that Ali North has.
00:56:12 ►
You know that, I know I’m God, but I’m going to try to pretend I’m not
00:56:16 ►
while I take advantage of these schmucks.
00:56:19 ►
Timothy Leary says, speaking as a scientific psychologist,
00:56:23 ►
the effect of cocaine is to make you an obnoxious
00:56:25 ►
asshole.
00:56:28 ►
Obnoxious assholes of the 20th
00:56:30 ►
century. Hitler and Ali and what, right?
00:56:33 ►
Cue
00:56:34 ►
cocaine psychosis.
00:56:36 ►
Fawn Hall has admitted
00:56:38 ►
in testimony to the DDA
00:56:40 ►
that she was using cocaine all the
00:56:42 ►
time she was working at the White House.
00:56:44 ►
She was dating one of the control leaders
00:56:47 ►
who was bringing the cocaine up to Hull’s Ranch
00:56:51 ►
and dealing continually with Ollie North.
00:56:53 ►
So when George Bush says,
00:56:55 ►
I’m going to show how bad the problem is,
00:56:56 ►
we’ll go across the street and buy some cocaine,
00:56:59 ►
that’s more bullshit.
00:57:00 ►
All he had to do was walk down the hall
00:57:02 ►
and it’s over the fucking White House.
00:57:07 ►
Okay. Okay.
00:57:10 ►
We’re going to take another short break and then we have a question period.
00:57:13 ►
And then I shoot like a bat out of hell for the San Francisco Air Force.
00:57:18 ►
Okay? Short break.
00:57:22 ►
I think, well, George Washington said nations have no permanent allies, only permanent interests.
00:57:29 ►
Conspiracies have no permanent allies, only permanent interests.
00:57:34 ►
Timothy Leary said to me after reading Illuminatus,
00:57:37 ►
there are 24 conspiracies in every city, every large social group.
00:57:49 ►
When I was at Harvard, I saw there were 24 conspiracies fighting to take over Harvard.
00:57:54 ►
And when I was in Folsom, I saw there were 24 gangs trying to take over Folsom.
00:57:56 ►
The guards are only one gang.
00:58:03 ►
There’s the Aryan Nation and the JBL, and there’s all these other groups in there.
00:58:09 ►
And curiously, that came up in a conversation with the former district attorney of Santa Barbara.
00:58:13 ►
He just spontaneously said that he was talking about my books. He said, you know, any city the size of, say, Santa Barbara,
00:58:17 ►
there are 24 groups fighting to take over the territory.
00:58:21 ►
And that’s why I don’t believe in monolithic conspiracy theories. There’s
00:58:25 ►
one group that runs everything. If there was one group that runs everything, the world
00:58:29 ►
would make a little sense. When you start examining what’s going on, it doesn’t make
00:58:34 ►
any sense at all. But like H.R. Mencken said, he believed he was a polytheist because the
00:58:40 ►
universe looks like it was designed by a committee. The world looks like it’s run by a committee
00:58:45 ►
in which everybody’s fighting,
00:58:46 ►
everybody else is standing,
00:58:48 ►
everybody else is in the back.
00:58:50 ►
And that’s called the multiple conspiracy model.
00:58:55 ►
It makes more sense to me than the idea
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that there are no conspiracies,
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which is nonsense because anybody who’s ever worked
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for a corporation,
00:59:02 ►
though corporations conspire all the time,
00:59:05 ►
politicians conspire all the time, politicians conspire all the time,
00:59:08 ►
pot dealers conspire not to get caught by the narcs,
00:59:11 ►
the art world is full of conspiracies,
00:59:13 ►
conspiracy is natural, private behavior,
00:59:16 ►
but there is no one conspiracy smart enough to run everything.
00:59:20 ►
If there was, the world would start to make sense.
00:59:24 ►
According to Colonel Tom Bearden,
00:59:26 ►
who is the most erudite, knowledgeable,
00:59:29 ►
and scientifically well-informed paranoid on the scene,
00:59:33 ►
Russians know how to alter reality.
00:59:37 ►
They know how to use the quantum equations
00:59:39 ►
to move from one parallel universe to another.
00:59:42 ►
And they’re gradually moving us out of the universe we started
00:59:44 ►
into an entirely different
00:59:46 ►
universe. If you want paranoid
00:59:48 ►
theories, try that one.
00:59:50 ►
That’s appearing all over the
00:59:52 ►
computer network. Right out of
00:59:54 ►
John Thorpe and his film, they look.
00:59:56 ►
The extraterrestrials are all around us
00:59:58 ►
and the CIA allows them to
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genetically experiment on a certain
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number of human beings and mutilate
01:00:04 ►
a certain number of cattle.
01:00:06 ►
And in return, they give the CIA the technology
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to brainwash the rest of us so we don’t see what’s going on.
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Those theories are paranoid theories that are great for horror movies.
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But if you start taking them seriously, you’ll go fucking crazy.
01:00:22 ►
Yes?
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Yeah, I remember you once spoke about owning a Macintosh.
01:00:26 ►
So it was a kind of technical question, but you talked about computer networks.
01:00:29 ►
What computer network would you get into if you had a Macintosh computer and modem?
01:00:34 ►
Who would you call up and get into if you had new sources?
01:00:38 ►
I don’t have a modem.
01:00:40 ►
I deliberately resisted getting a modem because a friend gave me a pile of computer games
01:00:46 ►
and I found after
01:00:48 ►
about a month that my productivity
01:00:50 ►
as a writer had gone steep.
01:00:51 ►
I was spending so much time with the computer game.
01:00:54 ►
So I decided I’m not going to get a modem
01:00:56 ►
until my earnings from my
01:00:58 ►
writing business level
01:00:59 ►
where I can afford to take off a couple of months
01:01:02 ►
every year and just play with the modem.
01:01:05 ►
Yes?
01:01:06 ►
What did you do for the Gospel of the Lord during that time?
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Various Gnostic Gospels
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and my own perverted imagination.
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Yes?
01:01:19 ►
Did you go to that psychedelics conference
01:01:21 ►
at the Claremont Hotel on the 24th?
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No.
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I haven’t been invited and I got a lot of other work.
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Yes.
01:01:30 ►
May I have a two-part question also?
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Yes.
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That’s the last question.
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Actually, it should be easy.
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What’s Jacques Vellet doing on his compilation of UFO sightings and whatnot?
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What, who?
01:01:42 ►
Jacques Vellet?
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Yeah.
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Any new
01:01:45 ►
conclusions?
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The last I
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heard, he was
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convinced that
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the UFOs are
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a disinformation
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system created
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by an
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intelligence
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agency, and
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that writing
01:01:55 ►
about it just
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made him sound
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paranoid, so
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he concentrated
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on running
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his computer
01:01:59 ►
business and
01:02:01 ►
writing a book
01:02:01 ►
on how to
01:02:02 ►
use computers
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intelligently, and
01:02:04 ►
was just given
01:02:04 ►
up on the whole UFO thing.
01:02:06 ►
Unless something new has happened, but I haven’t heard about the second part.
01:02:10 ►
Actually, it’s related.
01:02:12 ►
I was reading in your book recently that he said he gave in gracefully.
01:02:20 ►
They relate in space-time in ways for which we have at present no concepts.
01:02:25 ►
So I was wondering if he had made any advancements or…
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No, that was 1976 or 75, basically.
01:02:32 ►
I’ve never seen him in a party.
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Yeah.
01:02:34 ►
He changed his opinion after that.
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Tell us.
01:02:36 ►
He changed his opinion quite a bit after that.
01:02:39 ►
He decided it was an ecologics agency setting up a simulation of spaceships
01:02:43 ►
to hide something else they’re doing.
01:02:47 ►
Yes?
01:02:48 ►
Would you, before you leave,
01:02:49 ►
I know, would you, before you leave,
01:02:51 ►
in a few sentences,
01:02:52 ►
tell us why it’s more fun to be optimistic than paranoid?
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Well, I mean, it’s pretty obvious on the face of it.
01:03:00 ►
Well, one thing, longevity statistics.
01:03:02 ►
Optimists live longer.
01:03:03 ►
John Barefoot at Duke University has
01:03:05 ►
collected a lot of statistics on that.
01:03:07 ►
Optimistic people outlive pessimistic
01:03:09 ►
people consistently. If you
01:03:11 ►
compare them by sex, by age,
01:03:14 ►
by eating habits and diet,
01:03:16 ►
by lifestyle,
01:03:17 ►
by race, by all sorts of things, the
01:03:19 ►
optimists live longer.
01:03:21 ►
Also, optimists have more fun.
01:03:24 ►
And besides,
01:03:26 ►
maybe things are going to turn out
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okay, in which case the pessimists are
01:03:30 ►
killing themselves and being miserable for no
01:03:32 ►
good reason at all.
01:03:33 ►
And the final reason is even if everything is
01:03:36 ►
going to turn out terribly, the optimists are having
01:03:38 ►
more fun before the final tragedy
01:03:39 ►
comes. Whereas the
01:03:42 ►
pessimists are living in misery all the time.
01:03:56 ►
You’re listening to The Psychedelic Salon, where people
01:03:57 ►
are changing their lives one thought
01:03:59 ►
at a time.
01:04:03 ►
And as we just heard Bob Wilson say,
01:04:06 ►
it’s so much more enjoyable to be an optimist than it is to be a pessimist,
01:04:10 ►
which is one of the many reasons that I’m so optimistic about Occupy Wall Street
01:04:15 ►
and the Occupy movements all over the world.
01:04:18 ►
You know, in 1990, when the talk that we just heard was recorded,
01:04:23 ►
it wasn’t all that long ago, or at least so it seems to me.
01:04:27 ►
And yet from 1990, it would still be two more years
01:04:31 ►
before the World Wide Web would even be invented.
01:04:34 ►
And for our younger salonners, what that means is that
01:04:37 ►
back then we were using 300 baud modems over a dial-up phone line
01:04:41 ►
to get directories and files that would come on
01:04:45 ►
our screens literally one character at a time. And my guess is that most of us
01:04:50 ►
here in the salon can remember that if we want to think back a bit. Now be
01:04:54 ►
honest here, would you still be hanging out in the Usenet groups and using tools
01:04:59 ►
like Gopher if it stayed the way it was back in 1990? Well I’m sure that some of
01:05:04 ►
us geeks probably would now that I think of it,
01:05:06 ►
but compared to what we have today, it would sure be boring.
01:05:11 ►
And, of course, without the net, nobody would have much of an idea
01:05:15 ►
about what is really going on with the worldwide Occupy movement,
01:05:19 ►
which is what I want to talk about right now.
01:05:22 ►
You know, with few exceptions, I’ve had a really positive response to this regularly scheduled now Occupy update in each week’s podcast.
01:05:32 ►
Actually, it’s almost like I’m doing two podcasts a week, one with the regular featured speakers and the other all about the Occupy movement.
01:05:40 ►
And while I realize that these podcasts are now much longer,
01:06:05 ►
Thank you. a wider audience. And of course I’ve noticed that the brilliant comic and podcaster Joe Rogan,
01:06:11 ►
who has a huge podcast audience, well he sometimes runs his podcast almost three hours.
01:06:20 ►
So my reference point now is to not exceed Joe’s programs. And for my friends who were concerned about me getting discouraged about some nasty emails that I sometimes receive,
01:06:31 ►
like the one I read last week, well, have no fear. Things like that aren’t going to slow me down.
01:06:36 ►
What you may not know is that I’ve been involved in protests and demonstrations for a long time now, beginning with the painful experience of going through an anti-Vietnam War demonstration
01:06:41 ►
while on the way to my ship and wearing my Navy uniform,
01:06:45 ►
all the way to having full cans of beer thrown at me as I picketed a Super Bowl game during
01:06:50 ►
the first Gulf War. So don’t worry about me, I’m not going anywhere. The only major change
01:06:56 ►
in my life so far that the Occupy movement has brought about is one that many of our
01:07:01 ►
fellow Saloners will applaud, and that is the fact that I’m almost completely detached from watching football.
01:07:09 ►
When a few podcasts back, I guess a month or so ago,
01:07:13 ►
I mentioned my love of American football,
01:07:16 ►
I received an awful lot of, oh no, emails.
01:07:20 ►
However, one of our fellow Slauners did give me a pass
01:07:22 ►
because I also mentioned how much I enjoyed Neal Stephenson’s brilliant novel, An Anthem.
01:07:28 ►
But with the occasional Saturday appearance
01:07:30 ►
at our local Occupy Street Corner demonstrations
01:07:33 ►
on to the more time-consuming work of monitoring
01:07:36 ►
dozens of Occupy video streams,
01:07:39 ►
well, there not only isn’t time to watch football,
01:07:42 ►
but the amazing thing to me is that I’ve suddenly found
01:07:45 ►
football quite boring when compared to what’s going on with the movement. Hopefully that will
01:07:50 ►
redeem my errant ways in some eyes. In the past few weeks, I’ve started getting messages from
01:07:57 ►
some of our fellow slaunters who are using a few of the sound bites from the video streams that
01:08:01 ►
I’ve captured and putting them into their own projects, and I am eternally grateful for all who are doing so, because in my mind it seems to justify all
01:08:09 ►
the time that I’m spending gathering this information. And to help those sound artists
01:08:14 ►
out a bit, I’ve set up another website in blog format that consists only of each Occupy update
01:08:20 ►
from the podcast. So what I’ve done is to just strip out the second half of these podcasts, Thank you. OccupySalon.us Well, it’s only been one week, actually six days, since we were last together here in the salon,
01:08:49 ►
but a lot has happened since then.
01:08:51 ►
In fact, so much is happening each and every day in the Occupy movement
01:08:54 ►
that I’ve had to give up trying to keep you up with the latest news.
01:08:59 ►
Instead, I’ll spend this time each week in a more of a reflective way,
01:09:02 ►
pointing out events that particularly struck me, and of course, reading your emails about how you are participating in this global
01:09:10 ►
revolution yourself.
01:09:11 ►
And by the way, you can send those comments to lorenzo at occupysalon.us.
01:09:18 ►
So this past week, what were some of the highlights?
01:09:22 ►
Well, one of my favorites is the attention that the Hawaiian singer Makana is getting.
01:09:27 ►
When I linked to his song, We Are the Many, last week, there had been barely 1,300 views.
01:09:32 ►
Now it’s around a quarter of a million and climbing.
01:09:35 ►
As you know, besides the news item about his performance at the meeting of world leaders,
01:09:40 ►
I also played the YouTube version of his song.
01:09:43 ►
Since I didn’t have permission to play that
01:09:46 ►
song, I did what I usually do, and that is to play it first and then beg forgiveness later.
01:09:52 ►
Fortunately, I came across this story early on, and so I’ve been able to exchange a couple of
01:09:57 ►
emails with Makana, and he very graciously said that he had no problem with me playing it,
01:10:02 ►
since this is a free and non-commercial podcast.
01:10:05 ►
The reason I say I was lucky to get in touch with him early on is that in an interview with him over
01:10:10 ►
this past weekend, he mentioned that he’s now getting thousands of emails, which of course
01:10:15 ►
means that he’s not going to be able to respond to many anymore. And I’ll be having more to say
01:10:20 ►
about this brave young man in my next podcast, but today I’ve got a lot of other items to mention first. By the time you listen to this podcast, you’ll be well aware of the horrific
01:10:30 ►
assault on peaceful students by the police at the campus of the University of California, Davis.
01:10:36 ►
It was really a terrible scene, and in the weeks ahead I’ll have more to say about that,
01:10:41 ►
but right now that particular story is still evolving, and so I’m going to wait a bit and see what happens on that campus.
01:10:48 ►
Another story that is still evolving is the story of the Arab Spring.
01:10:52 ►
And it now looks like even the murderous dictator of Syria
01:10:56 ►
is going to be driven out of power before too long.
01:10:59 ►
Unfortunately, he has already murdered over 3,500 of his own people
01:11:03 ►
in a desperate attempt to hold on to his despotic powers.
01:11:08 ►
And in the news today from Egypt, it continues to sadden the world
01:11:12 ►
as the old men who replaced Mubarak are doing everything in their power to keep the people down.
01:11:18 ►
As you know, after the first big success,
01:11:21 ►
it was hoped that the people of Egypt were actually about to experience democracy.
01:11:29 ►
However, infighting between several factions of the demonstrators drove enough of a wedge between them to stall the revolution. Now that they’re back to reuniting, at least a little,
01:11:36 ►
the demonstrations in Tahrir Square are back. But once again, the Egyptian establishment,
01:11:41 ►
Egypt’s 1%, are murdering and maiming the demonstrators.
01:11:46 ►
In fact, I said I wasn’t going to keep up with the current news,
01:11:50 ►
but this is going on right as I’m recording this.
01:11:53 ►
There’s a live video feed right now coming in from Al Jazeera
01:11:56 ►
that shows Tahrir Square once again packed with people
01:11:59 ►
who are protesting the military dictatorship that co-opted their Arab Spring Revolution.
01:12:05 ►
So if you’ve been missing this news story, you may want to surf over to Al Jazeera
01:12:09 ►
and watch some of their video feeds that are coming in from the action in Tahrir Square.
01:12:14 ►
As of right now, we know that over 22 people have recently been murdered by the Egyptian government
01:12:19 ►
in an attempt to end these demonstrations.
01:12:23 ►
As much as I want to stay tuned into that action right now, however,
01:12:27 ►
I’ve got to tune it out for the next few minutes and finish this podcast.
01:12:31 ►
But I do want to at least just play a brief soundbite that I recorded a few minutes ago
01:12:35 ►
from the Al Jazeera feed in Tahir Square,
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where things are even worse than they are for the demonstrators in Oakland, Portland,
01:12:42 ►
UC Davis, New York, and other places.
01:13:03 ►
The question, of course, is how our protest is going to react.
01:13:05 ►
Let’s get the view of one of them.
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Khaled Abdullah, you are an Egyptian activist and also an actor, I know.
01:13:13 ►
Can you give me your initial thoughts about this concession, if you like?
01:13:16 ►
I think, I’m afraid I think it’s entirely irrelevant.
01:13:19 ►
I think if they were going to make a resignation of conscience,
01:13:20 ►
they should have done that months ago.
01:13:23 ►
Osama Sharif appeared here early on in March and said that he would step down
01:13:25 ►
if the revolution’s demands had not been met. Clearly, the people are way in advance of
01:13:30 ►
him. I think it’s completely irrelevant. I mean, it’s a government that in any case would
01:13:36 ►
have been gone in a week’s time. I don’t think it adds any pressure. I don’t think it does
01:13:40 ►
a thing. This is about the people and their relationship with Scaf and a very clear message
01:13:44 ►
being sent to them to step down immediately. What do you think the repercussion though could be
01:13:50 ►
of this news if it in fact is at the end of the day accepted? Do you think it might actually
01:13:56 ►
energize these crowds because they’re actually getting concessions from Scaf? I don’t think this
01:14:01 ►
crowd cares at all about the government. What is going on here is a battle on the streets in which people are being killed.
01:14:06 ►
You’ve seen, and you can see behind us, the number of bodies that are going back and forth,
01:14:10 ►
the numbers which are mounting dead in the morgue,
01:14:13 ►
the intimidation that is going on around the morgue and in the streets around us.
01:14:18 ►
I don’t think it matters to us at all.
01:14:21 ►
What matters to us is SCAF. What matters to us is that we are facing the opportunity to build this country from the ground up without the army
01:14:31 ►
imposing itself upon us and wanting to be above the constitution, wanting to be above
01:14:38 ►
the rule of law, wanting to be above everything. This is an army that has tortured civilians, that has intimidated
01:14:46 ►
civilians, that has imprisoned us, that has put 15,000 people on military trial. They
01:14:51 ►
have to go. They have no place in the government that comes. And the government that has been
01:14:55 ►
sitting there, that has just put forward its resignation, has been complicit in that the
01:14:59 ►
whole way through. They should have resigned months ago.
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Do you think that it could be, if true,
01:15:11 ►
a first step, if you like, to getting your main demand met? These are just cards. These are just cards that are being thrown. You know, they’re also resigning to save face. You know, this is
01:15:16 ►
not an extra, this is not extra leverage of pressure on SCAF. The pressure that is being
01:15:21 ►
put on SCAF is being put on the people in the streets right now, the people who are fighting
01:15:24 ►
in front of the ministry in the interior, the people who are fighting in front of the Ministry of Interior, the people
01:15:26 ►
who have died. That is where the pressure is coming from. It has nothing to do with
01:15:29 ►
government. The government here has lost all its credibility.
01:15:32 ►
Is there also a worry, Khaled, if the government does resign en masse like this, then there
01:15:39 ►
becomes no buffer, if you like, between the people and the military. Essentially,
01:15:45 ►
I mean, we don’t really know, we’re hypothesizing here what would come in the place of the government.
01:15:50 ►
But if there’s nothing in the interim, it really means that SCAF is just completely
01:15:54 ►
running the show.
01:15:55 ►
No, it doesn’t mean that they’re running the show and they never were a buffer and never
01:15:59 ►
have been a buffer and never will be a buffer. As I said, they were going to be gone in a
01:16:03 ►
week’s time anyway. There are many alternatives. There’s the possibility of a presidential council.
01:16:08 ►
There’s a possibility of, you know, in Khoswotany, I can’t think of the translation right now.
01:16:14 ►
There are many different possibilities. But the point is that elections now or the government
01:16:19 ►
now, it’s like a skin graft on a paralyzed body. What we’re doing here is a heart transplant for a body that owns the future.
01:16:27 ►
And I can’t say that clearly enough.
01:16:30 ►
And SCAF has no future in it.
01:16:33 ►
It has no future in it.
01:16:35 ►
So they need to get the message as quickly as possible that they need to go.
01:16:39 ►
And on top of that, international governments,
01:16:41 ►
who I hold also complicit in everything that is happening here,
01:16:44 ►
international governments who have replenished the stocks of tear gas
01:16:47 ►
and bullets that are being shot at people right now,
01:16:50 ►
the tear gas that is clinging to my lungs.
01:16:53 ►
International governments have been complicit in this.
01:16:56 ►
They need not to do a rerun of what they did last January
01:16:59 ►
when they took ages in order to condemn the police
01:17:03 ►
and army brutality which we are facing.
01:17:06 ►
Right now, they need to put all pressure on SCAF to resign.
01:17:10 ►
And we own the future. We will build this up.
01:17:13 ►
These people out there are beautiful. These people out there are people of conscience.
01:17:16 ►
They know what future they want to build and they know how to build it instinctively.
01:17:20 ►
We need to enter that process and SCAF needs to step aside.
01:17:24 ►
You were here during the uprising in January and February, I believe. So how
01:17:30 ►
does it compare, the last few days, how do they compare to back then in February?
01:17:36 ►
What we’re seeing here right now is what we saw on January the 28th, exactly. Except now
01:17:42 ►
we have a higher level of awareness. The battle lines, the
01:17:46 ►
ground is completely clear. The lie that was peddled on January 28th onward, that the army
01:17:51 ►
was with the people, clearly has fallen. The discourses that they have tried to peddle
01:17:55 ►
are completely wearing thin. People do not believe them. The army has consistently lied
01:18:01 ►
to us, has killed us, has tortured us over the last nine months,
01:18:05 ►
and the people out there know that.
01:18:07 ►
So they know what they want and they’re not leaving until they get it.
01:18:10 ►
I do completely understand the sentiment and the passion you’re expressing,
01:18:14 ►
but you talked before about a presidential council,
01:18:17 ►
other interim solutions, if you like, for the power vacuum that would emerge
01:18:22 ►
if the military were to step down.
01:18:25 ►
But those interim solutions haven’t really got much traction over the last few days.
01:18:29 ►
There really hasn’t been much talk about how a presidential council,
01:18:32 ►
who would be in a presidential council.
01:18:34 ►
So, you know, what do you have to say about the alternative?
01:18:36 ►
We know what you don’t want, but what do you want?
01:18:39 ►
Well, I mean, I don’t see why we’re supposed to have found a solution
01:18:42 ►
in the space of two or three days.
01:18:43 ►
But anyway, other solutions have been put forward consistently
01:18:47 ►
over the last nine months.
01:18:49 ►
But they haven’t come to anything.
01:18:50 ►
Well, they haven’t come to anything because we’ve had SCAF facing down on us,
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torturing us and not allowing those things to happen.
01:18:56 ►
We have not had room for a proper dialogue to take place,
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for things properly to move forward.
01:19:03 ►
And I need to add another thing,
01:19:04 ►
which is that the Muslim Brotherhood also are standing in the way of things. They
01:19:08 ►
believe that elections are going to take place in a week’s time, and they believe that that
01:19:12 ►
is their opportunity to officially enter government or officially enter the process of, you know,
01:19:18 ►
officially enter power. I don’t see how in a week’s time we’re going to have elections.
01:19:23 ►
I don’t see what Egyptian citizen is going to go and cast his ballot,
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cast his vote at the ballots when his fellow citizens are being killed.
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We’re in an emergency situation right now, and the solutions are there.
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You put your trust in the people.
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The people, time and again, have carried us and will carry us forward.
01:19:43 ►
And the solutions are there.
01:19:44 ►
We have great people.
01:19:46 ►
We have the other solution that was suggested months ago
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of forming a temporary government of technocrats.
01:19:53 ►
We have the possibility of alliances between presidential candidates.
01:19:56 ►
We have all sorts of things that can happen.
01:19:58 ►
What is unacceptable is that people be killed on the streets consistently.
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We have thousands of wounded all over the country.
01:20:06 ►
This is unacceptable. This has to stop.
01:20:09 ►
Once that stops, with clear vision and clear sight,
01:20:11 ►
which we can see clearly in the square, we will build our future.
01:20:15 ►
I have absolutely no doubt in that.
01:20:17 ►
And we’re not walking blind.
01:20:19 ►
We’ve had some reaction from the United Nations and from the European Union,
01:20:23 ►
but what would you like to see the international community do now? As I said, they need to condemn and they need to ask SCAF
01:20:31 ►
to step down immediately. They need to stop selling arms to the military. They need to stop
01:20:36 ►
supporting the military. I don’t know when they’re going to start doing that and I don’t know when
01:20:41 ►
they’re going to start waking up because the message out here is directed at the military
01:20:44 ►
and is directed straight at them. For the last nine months they
01:20:48 ►
have been complicit. David Cameron’s first trip down here was to sell arms in the Middle East.
01:20:53 ►
William Hague, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, all the foreign ministers who went round this square
01:20:59 ►
and were given tours by the military have been complicit in the violence that we are seeing
01:21:03 ►
right here in the square.
01:21:06 ►
They need to wake up and they need to see that if they want to build a future in the Middle East,
01:21:09 ►
if they want to be hand in hand with the people who are in this square,
01:21:12 ►
who they say have inspired them,
01:21:14 ►
then right now they need to come to their support.
01:21:18 ►
What the SCAF are saying is that
01:21:20 ►
the only way to have democracy is through elections.
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There’s no other option to go forward to get this transition
01:21:27 ►
that everybody wants to see a democratic Egypt.
01:21:31 ►
I’m not against elections and I am very pro-democracy.
01:21:35 ►
But the elections that are being proposed to us right now are a sham.
01:21:40 ►
They’re a sham because we have a military which owns, I think it’s around 80%.
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I don’t expect there to be elections.
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I am not going to go and vote while my friends are being killed in the streets.
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I have friends who have lost their eyes.
01:21:53 ►
I have friends who are in prison.
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I have friends who are in hospital in serious critical condition.
01:21:58 ►
I know people who have died.
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I film people who have died.
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I’m not going to go and cast my vote in these circumstances.
01:22:06 ►
And I’m not going to vote because any vote right now
01:22:08 ►
is a recognition of Scaf’s authority.
01:22:13 ►
It’s a recognition of them putting down the road map,
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setting the agenda.
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They have no right to set the agenda and they have to go.
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Once they’ve done that, then we can talk about having real elections
01:22:23 ►
in which we will all participate happily, fully, and build the future
01:22:28 ►
which we have created and they have not set down for us.
01:22:32 ►
How much of the country do you think back these protests
01:22:35 ►
and back even the idea of not going to vote because of what’s going on right now?
01:22:40 ►
I’m not going to put a percentage on it,
01:22:41 ►
but I’m going to say very clearly that it is enough people.
01:22:46 ►
This revolution has always been about critical mass.
01:22:51 ►
And also, I know that there are thousands upon thousands
01:22:56 ►
and millions of people, Egyptians, sitting in their homes right now
01:22:59 ►
who understand very much what the situation is.
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They have this fear of participating,
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but I urge them to come, to enter the square, to be part of this,
01:23:10 ►
because the more Egyptians are part of this right now,
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the more we will have a brighter future.
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This is the history of our country being laid out in front of us.
01:23:19 ►
The people in this square are of all ages, all sex, all religions.
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The whole country is represented here.
01:23:28 ►
We need them here with us.
01:23:30 ►
We know they’re with us in our hearts.
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But it’s a very important distinction to draw
01:23:36 ►
between participation and willingness to die and support.
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And I believe the majority of the country is with us and against SCAF.
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Khaled Abdullah, thank you so much for joining us.
01:23:49 ►
As you just heard, the Arab Spring is now heading into winter,
01:23:53 ►
but the revolution is far from over.
01:23:56 ►
It may not be well known, but some of the leaders of the Egyptian uprising
01:24:00 ►
have been visiting Occupy Wall Street and talking about the lessons that they have learned this year.
01:24:06 ►
And just last night I heard one of the Occupy Wall Street and talking about the lessons that they have learned this year. And just last night I heard one of the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators say that the General Assembly
01:24:10 ►
had voted to use some of the donated money they’ve received to send a contingent of 20 Occupy Wall Street people to Egypt
01:24:17 ►
in order to gain a better understanding of how to manage things on the streets here in the States.
01:24:23 ►
So Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, and the rest of the Arab world,
01:24:28 ►
we want you to know that just because the struggle has now reached our shores,
01:24:31 ►
it doesn’t mean that we have forgotten about you.
01:24:34 ►
As everyone in the Middle East now knows, we’re all in this together.
01:24:38 ►
And that is exactly why this movement cannot be stopped.
01:24:43 ►
So now I’d like to play a few sound bites from the demonstrations
01:24:46 ►
that have taken place during the past six days. The morning that I recorded my previous podcast
01:24:51 ►
was the morning after the big Zuccotti Park raid, and at first it seemed that things were in disarray.
01:24:58 ►
Then came Thursday, November 17th, the two-month anniversary of the occupation of Wall Street,
01:25:04 ►
and you already know what a big
01:25:05 ►
day that was. But I’m going to refresh your memory of that day with some sound bites from my Hero of
01:25:11 ►
the Week, Tim Poole, who has been with Occupy Wall Street since day one. Tim and his friend Harry and
01:25:18 ►
a couple other guys from Chicago created their own media team, drove to New York, and have provided
01:25:24 ►
us with, I think,
01:25:25 ►
the best insights of what’s taking place that I’ve seen and heard.
01:25:29 ►
While the other video streamers have been doing a really terrific job of sending the video images to us,
01:25:34 ►
along with the sound of what’s happening, Tim has also added a new layer,
01:25:38 ►
and that is of an ongoing commentary about what he is seeing.
01:25:43 ►
And I’ve noticed that some of the other streamers
01:25:45 ►
have now adopted that technique as well, and I say bravo. But Tim Pool is one of a kind. In fact,
01:25:51 ►
if he was with one of the mainstream news outfits, I’m sure that he’d receive a Pulitzer Prize for
01:25:57 ►
his reporting. During one 72-hour stretch alone, I think he was online live for all but maybe 10
01:26:03 ►
hours. And even though he appears to
01:26:06 ►
be a relatively young man, what he did on November 17th was amazing. At 7 o’clock in the morning,
01:26:12 ►
Tim began streaming live from Zuccotti Park, and at 10 that night, he was still streaming.
01:26:18 ►
Also, during the time in between, he was on his feet that whole time, walking from one demonstration
01:26:24 ►
to another, and all the time he was describing what feet that whole time, walking from one demonstration to another, and
01:26:25 ►
all the time he was describing what was going on and also interviewing people along the way.
01:26:30 ►
And I should point out here that Tim doesn’t have a professional level video streaming outfit.
01:26:36 ►
What he’s mainly been using to bring us frontline news for two months now is just his cell phone,
01:26:42 ►
which he says is a Samsung Galaxy S2. The reason I point this out
01:26:46 ►
is that if you happen to own a web-enabled cell phone, and without spending very much, if any,
01:26:52 ►
money, you can get your own stream going to record events in your neighborhood or at your activities.
01:26:58 ►
So let’s get more of these streams going. After all, there are now Occupy events in over 1,400
01:27:03 ►
U.S. cities,
01:27:08 ►
not to mention demonstrations in hundreds of other cities all over the world.
01:27:12 ►
You know, the tech is here for us to use, so let’s get cracking.
01:27:18 ►
But getting back to Tim, during the day of the 17th, there were a lot of short marches,
01:27:23 ►
like the one early in the morning when they tried to block the entrance to the New York Stock Exchange.
01:27:28 ►
And while the demonstrators were unsuccessful in that attempt, the police took over and did it for them by surrounding the entrance to the exchange with barriers and almost as
01:27:33 ►
many cops as there were marchers.
01:27:35 ►
So thank you, NYPD, for helping to make it more difficult for the one-percenters to get
01:27:40 ►
to work.
01:27:41 ►
Now let’s hear a few minutes of what Tim was reporting that evening after he
01:27:45 ►
joined about 1,500 people on a march that would eventually join up with what he hoped would be a
01:27:51 ►
couple thousand more people who were all going to march across the Brooklyn Bridge. I’m going to
01:27:56 ►
pick up just as the Zuccotti Park marchers that he was in in that group were joining up with the
01:28:02 ►
union women and men who are supporting the movement.
01:28:10 ►
And please keep in mind that you’re going to have to kind of sort through a lot of background noise.
01:28:12 ►
But that’s the whole point of these podcasts.
01:28:17 ►
Just hearing that over 30,000 people marched across the bridge that night doesn’t really give you the same feeling for the event
01:28:19 ►
as does listening to people in the middle of the action.
01:28:23 ►
You know, this is live reporting from one of the many, many front lines in this global revolution.
01:28:29 ►
So I can hear some kind of amplification.
01:28:34 ►
I’m going to try and squeeze through. Excuse me.
01:28:41 ►
So one of the particularly dangerous aspects of pepper spray right now is that I’m wearing
01:28:46 ►
contact lenses and I’m mostly…
01:28:49 ►
Whoa, whoa, whoa, this is huge.
01:28:51 ►
Wow, sorry about breaking off.
01:28:53 ►
The unions are here, fully square, shoulder to shoulder.
01:28:57 ►
I’m going to try and see if they’ll allow the stream to get through.
01:29:03 ►
They’ve generally been very generous with allowing me to squeeze through for having the live feed going.
01:29:14 ►
So I’m going to give a quick recap from this morning because we’re here now at Foley Square,
01:29:18 ►
which is the final meet-up place before the protesters are going to march to the bridges.
01:29:26 ►
So we started streaming this morning at 7 a.m.
01:29:29 ►
We met up at Zuccotti Park.
01:29:32 ►
We went out to shoot.
01:29:33 ►
The march had started. I was on the other side of Cedar.
01:29:36 ►
When the police bullhorned that there was no parade tournament,
01:29:39 ►
they could not march, so the protesters then broke away.
01:29:42 ►
At Pine and Nash, I got fractured into other groups,
01:29:44 ►
but those groups then clogged all of the entrances
01:29:47 ►
to the New York Stock Exchange from Broad, Wall Street, and Pine.
01:29:52 ►
We then made our way to Wall and Broadway,
01:29:53 ►
where people were blocking the final exit.
01:29:56 ►
From there, I went to Pine and Nassau,
01:29:58 ►
where most of the group still was,
01:29:59 ►
and we sat there for about 30 minutes
01:30:01 ►
while people talked and made chants and did people’s mics.
01:30:06 ►
We then went back to Zuccotti. There was an additional march attempt on Wall Street that failed.
01:30:11 ►
Now when we came back to Zuccotti, I was told that there was a mass arrest at Ebel and Broadway,
01:30:17 ►
and there was a police checkpoint that wouldn’t let me through.
01:30:20 ►
Now back at the camp, some protesters had removed the barricades and actually created a scuffle with police
01:30:26 ►
where I saw at least one photographer get knocked over by police and a few members of the media were thrown.
01:30:33 ►
So it started to rain at some point. We did have a few more arrests.
01:30:37 ►
During the rain, we saw a huge police presence swarm the park in every direction.
01:30:43 ►
They closed off the entire park, all the entrances and exits.
01:30:46 ►
They didn’t let anyone in or out.
01:30:48 ►
So what happened was, there was a young man who was pushing a bear cake out of his foot.
01:30:53 ►
An officer jumped over and tackled him, and he hit his head on a curb.
01:30:57 ►
This is what I’m hearing. He fractured his skull, and I believe he lost some teeth.
01:31:00 ►
I heard multiple reports about teeth.
01:31:02 ►
And another woman was stuck in the head somehow and she was bleeding.
01:31:06 ►
After they arrested those individuals, they then opened the park back up.
01:31:11 ►
There’s actually a photo of that right now. It’s probably on Twitter.
01:31:14 ►
This man, Brendan, called Romania, with his hair drenched in blood.
01:31:18 ►
After the park opened up, we saw a swarm of people run down Trinity full speed,
01:31:24 ►
but we weren’t able to gather with them because of the barricades.
01:31:28 ►
Now, at that point, I took a quick break, and when we came back, they had started to march to Union Square where they met up with the students.
01:31:36 ►
And after that meeting, they started to march back, but we were blocked off by police, capturing a group of 3,500. Two groups.
01:31:46 ►
And then those, I was with one group of about 1,500.
01:31:49 ►
We just made it to Foley Square right now.
01:31:51 ►
There’s several unions here, easily over 10,000 people have rallied at this point.
01:31:57 ►
And now there’s a march with them where they said they’re going to take back our bridges.
01:32:01 ►
And that’s where we are right now.
01:32:03 ►
So for all of you watching, we have a chat feed going,
01:32:07 ►
and you can come in on our social stream,
01:32:10 ►
ustream, the letter U, stream.tv, slash theother99.
01:32:14 ►
And you can follow us on Twitter.
01:32:16 ►
Our handles are at IWillOccupy, as well as at theother99.
01:32:21 ►
And you can stay with me on my personal Twitter.
01:32:23 ►
It’s at TimCast, T-I-M-C-A-S-T,
01:32:27 ►
as well as getting in touch with me on Facebook. You can search my name. It’s Tim Poole. Email
01:32:32 ►
is timpoolthi at gmail.com. Search for me. I’ve got more updates from Occupy Wall Street
01:32:36 ►
there, so hard to estimate.
01:32:58 ►
There’s people around every corner.
01:32:59 ►
99 people, city council members, union leaders, just got arrested blocking…
01:33:04 ►
City council?
01:33:04 ►
City Council members, union leaders just got arrested blocking the street. City Council?
01:33:05 ►
Yes, city council members just got arrested blocking, 99 of them to symbolize the 99% of the people out there.
01:33:12 ►
What did they block?
01:33:13 ►
Blocked off the street. They coordinated with the police department so nothing fishy went down.
01:33:17 ►
The press was able to film it and they were on their best behavior because all the cameras were off.
01:33:22 ►
What you people need to understand and what you’re getting from the mainstream media,
01:33:26 ►
is that you’re not getting everything.
01:33:27 ►
Because when the mainstream media gets kicked out and they obey these orders,
01:33:31 ►
because they don’t want to lose their NYPD trespasses,
01:33:34 ►
and they don’t want to lose their job,
01:33:36 ►
they’re disobeying police orders and not leaving, like,
01:33:39 ►
cockroaches when the police demand them to when they want to get violent.
01:33:42 ►
I just found out, right when I was kicked out of the raid that was taking place just a couple
01:33:48 ►
days ago on Zuccotti Park, I’m, screw Zuccotti, Liberty Park, I just found out that people
01:33:54 ►
getting out of jail right now, their video footage of what happened, police beating them,
01:33:59 ►
was actually deleted from their phones.
01:34:01 ►
Their phones were confiscated, their cameras were confiscated. The people who were arrested holding the square when the police raided there.
01:34:09 ►
And I heard the police got a lot more violent as they came in closer and closer and arrested
01:34:14 ►
more and more people in that square during the major raid.
01:34:17 ►
They got more and more violent.
01:34:19 ►
There’s actually, my friend George, he has a bandage on his neck.
01:34:23 ►
He said that they froze the chain and hit it to break it,
01:34:26 ►
and it cut his neck, and he started bleeding quite a bit, got blood everywhere.
01:34:30 ►
Yeah, my friend George.
01:34:31 ►
So I want to say one thing, though, about you talking to mainstream media,
01:34:34 ►
is that you’re actually being rebroadcasted by the mainstream media right now.
01:34:38 ►
Screw you guys.
01:34:39 ►
All right.
01:34:39 ►
No, we’re all numb.
01:34:41 ►
I’m just messing around.
01:34:42 ►
We all got to do a job, but you got to understand,
01:34:50 ►
a lot of people are getting full suits because of what P.D. wants to do a job, but you got to understand, a lot of people are getting in full suits because NYPD wants to do their dirty work.
01:34:55 ►
The official mainstream media with NYPD trespassers, they’re threatened with losing their trespassers. They have to obey those orders so they don’t lose their jobs.
01:34:58 ►
And that’s what happened during the major raid.
01:35:00 ►
And now the video footage of the police being extremely violent, extremely brutal.
01:35:07 ►
And my friend who just got out of jail said that they took away his phone,
01:35:11 ►
took away his camera, took away his keys, took away everything from him.
01:35:14 ►
And they’re deleting the footage from him.
01:35:16 ►
And he says that the videos would have came out of exactly what happened here.
01:35:19 ►
There would have been ten times more people down here.
01:35:22 ►
I’ve got to put down your mic again.
01:35:24 ►
Oh, you do?
01:35:25 ►
Yeah.
01:35:26 ►
So this is Luke Radowski, founder of We Are Change.
01:35:29 ►
I got that picture of that plainclothes guy.
01:35:33 ►
Do you get any more information?
01:35:33 ►
All right.
01:35:34 ►
My mic is getting hooked on to some microphone.
01:35:36 ►
I want to thank the guys on live stream who freeze froze the police officer’s face that sucker punched me.
01:35:44 ►
The undercover cop that I chased.
01:35:45 ►
Thank you so much for doing that.
01:35:47 ►
Another thing, I just uploaded a video of, this is a protester who was stoned to the floor.
01:35:53 ►
He was bleeding from his head profusely.
01:35:55 ►
And there’s a video.
01:35:56 ►
You have that?
01:35:56 ►
That was Romania.
01:35:58 ►
Yeah, yeah.
01:35:58 ►
It’s up on YouTube.com forward slash WeAreChanged.
01:36:01 ►
We’re the first ones to get that video up there.
01:36:03 ►
Spread it, pass it up to everybody.
01:36:04 ►
YouTube.com forward slash WeAreChanged. It’s up to everybody. YouTube.com forward slash we are changed.
01:36:06 ►
It’s up right now.
01:36:07 ►
Hi, man.
01:36:08 ►
Thanks.
01:36:08 ►
Thanks for keeping the footage going and doing what you’re doing.
01:36:11 ►
Always.
01:36:12 ►
So I can see that the marches are actually now crossing the pedestrian walkway.
01:36:18 ►
So we actually broke away from this.
01:36:35 ►
We take right back. How long is the bridge?
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I run it It’s about a mile
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About a mile?
01:36:43 ►
Someone just verified that NYPD rumor About making army isn’t true, and that’s actually Iran.
01:36:49 ►
Who’s what?
01:36:50 ►
The rumor about, or you said, and a few other people.
01:36:54 ►
It’s the 10th March.
01:36:55 ►
Yeah, it’s not true. It’s Iran, NYPD. That’s just another one of those urban legends, I suppose.
01:37:03 ►
Now, I don’t know if I mentioned this already,
01:37:06 ►
but on just two of the streams that I was monitoring,
01:37:09 ►
and which were carrying Tim’s reporting,
01:37:11 ►
there were over 40,000 people watching.
01:37:13 ►
Then Time, Reuters, Al Jazeera, and BBC, among others,
01:37:17 ►
also were feeding Tim’s streams on their websites,
01:37:20 ►
which brought the total number of live viewers
01:37:22 ►
who were seeing events through a little handheld cell phone, well, it brought the total to over a quarter of a million people.
01:37:29 ►
That’s a lot of people to be carrying in your hand while you’re watching history unfold.
01:37:34 ►
In the interest of time, I’m not going to play some of the wonderful comments that I
01:37:39 ►
recorded when people on the bridge looked out and saw what is now being called the bat
01:37:44 ►
signal as it was being projected on the side looked out and saw what is now being called the bat signal,
01:37:48 ►
as it was being projected on the side of a skyscraper.
01:37:54 ►
So, picture yourself in the middle of a crowd that the New York Police Department said was over 32,000 people,
01:37:58 ►
which means that it was most likely even larger than that.
01:38:01 ►
And while in the middle of that noisy crowd that we just heard, you look up at one of the big skyscrapers and see a huge round
01:38:06 ►
white circle of light with the number 99 followed by a percent sign being projected onto the side
01:38:12 ►
of the building. Unless you’re a Batman fan, well, you can’t really appreciate the emotional impact
01:38:18 ►
of seeing something like that in the real Gotham City. But then the bat signal was replaced by a
01:38:24 ►
message that appeared only a few words at a time.
01:38:27 ►
I’m going to read those words to you now,
01:38:29 ►
but if you go to the program notes for this podcast,
01:38:32 ►
which you can get to via psychedelicsalon.us,
01:38:34 ►
you’ll find a link to a video of the bat signal,
01:38:37 ►
whose message began with the two words,
01:38:40 ►
Mic Check.
01:38:42 ►
Then, a few words at a time, the message read, look around. You are a part
01:38:48 ►
of a global uprising. We are a cry from the heart of the world. We are unstoppable. Another
01:38:58 ►
world is possible. Happy birthday. Hashtag Occupy Movement. Occupy Wall Street.
01:39:06 ►
And then the word Occupy stayed up while under it flashed the names of at least 50 or more cities in quite rapid succession, ending with Occupy Earth.
01:39:16 ►
It was really thrilling for me to see this live on the net, and so I can hardly imagine how stirring it must have felt to those on the bridge.
01:39:23 ►
and hardly imagine how stirring it must have felt to those on the bridge.
01:39:29 ►
Now another hero this past week is a man named Ray Lewis,
01:39:32 ►
who is a retired police captain from the Philadelphia Police Force.
01:39:37 ►
As you know, the interactions between the police and the demonstrators has been difficult to say the least, at least at times.
01:39:41 ►
And adding to the fury, of course, is the $150 million surveillance center
01:39:45 ►
that us taxpayers paid for and is located near the Stock Exchange in New York.
01:39:51 ►
And while one normally tends to shrug off all of the cameras
01:39:54 ►
that are now watching us everywhere we go,
01:39:56 ►
only about a third of the women and men inside that surveillance center,
01:40:00 ►
who are looking at over 3,000 screens, are law enforcement officers.
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The other two-thirds work for Goldman Sachs, Citibank, and other Wall Street firms. In other words, us taxpayers are
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funding a secret watching post that is staffed by the lackeys of the 1%. So it’s things like that
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that are getting on the nerves of the demonstrators and sometimes making them a little too
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confrontational with cops, at least in my opinion.
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Which is why also that it’s so important that we have brave men like Captain Lewis on our side to calm the waters and help us get a little perspective on matters involving law enforcement.
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And did I mention that he was in full dress blue uniform?
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So to arrest him, the cops had to handcuff one of their own while in uniform.
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Now here are a few sound bites from Ray Lewis and a little more about his story. So to arrest him, the cops had to handcuff one of their own while in uniform.
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Now here are a few sound bites from Ray Lewis and a little more about his story.
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I’m not sure if arresting me is going to hurt their case, because everybody here has their cameras, and I would ask you to take pictures of them arresting me.
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Because what would that look like?
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New York police arrest a Philadelphia police captain exercising his freedom to protest.
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So I have them here.
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They do not want that.
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Because that’s going to hurt them.
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All right?
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But then again, they might think, you know what?
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I plan to be here every day.
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Thanksgiving.
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I want to have Thanksgiving here.
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They might say, you know what?
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We’ve got to stop this guy.
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Even though it’s going to look bad to stop him, it’s better than letting him keep on going. So that’s what they’re thinking right now. Do we arrest him and try to get
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him out of here?
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Well, then I thank you for taking that risk, though. I really do.
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Oh, listen, you guys took the risk. You took the big risk, all right? The big risk. And
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the only thing I want to say, do not confront them physically, okay? Some of these guys
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actually relish. They want you to confront them physically. Don? Some of these guys actually relish.
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They want you to confront them physically.
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Don’t do that.
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All right?
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They give you an order.
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You can shout and you can scream, but move.
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Okay?
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And then decide, find out from the lawyers here that are helping you,
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did you have the legal right to be doing what you were doing?
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And if you do, then you come back and do it.
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Okay?
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But don’t decide on the legality of what they’re doing. They’re going to obviously try to provoke you into
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doing something stupid. And then that’s how this whole, you know. Yeah. And don’t allow
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them to do that. Don’t let them provoke you into any type of violence. Alrighty. And if
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you don’t see me here tomorrow, I’m in jail.
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OK, but we’ll see what happens.
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If the first two months of Occupy Wall Street featured the rebel alliance making surprising gains,
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I think it’s fair to say this past week was when the empire struck back. On Tuesday, Mayor Bloomberg ordered police in riot gear to clear the occupiers out of Zuccotti Park in an early morning raid.
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Police destroyed the occupiers’ personal belongings,
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including 5,500 or so books in the People’s Library on site.
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One city councilman, Idanus Rodriguez, was thrown to the ground,
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beaten and arrested at the scene.
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Mayor Bloomberg and police made sure it was all done away from the prying eyes of the press,
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who were blocked from Zuccotti Park, supposedly for their own safety, according to the city. Then on Thursday, protesters organized a
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day of action to mark the two-month anniversary of the Occupy movement, a protest known on Twitter
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as hashtag N17. A thousand protesters gathered near New York Stock Exchange in an almost entirely
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non-violent demonstration. There were, however, a few exceptions. Seven officers and 10 protesters were injured, according to police.
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Thursday night, thousands marched over the Brooklyn Bridge in a peaceful protest,
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and I was there. I’ll talk more about that later. Also Thursday, there were protests and arrests in
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Los Angeles, St. Louis, Portland, Oregon, and other cities around the country. More than 300
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arrested Thursday, 252 in New York City alone. Captain Lewis, you were arrested, charged with disorderly conduct,
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including disrupting traffic and refusing to move on.
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There was an image of you being arrested in your dress blues
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down in front of the New York Stock Exchange that went kind of viral,
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and we were all in the office sort of marveling at it.
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There’s some footage of you being arrested.
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Why did you, you’re a retired police captain, you served in Philadelphia, if I’m not mistaken, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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Why did you come down to Occupy Wall Street on Thursday?
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Well, I didn’t come down on Thursday.
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I actually came down on Monday, and I came down to assist the movement,
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because to me, I’ve been retired for eight years in a very secluded life.
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I moved up to New York, Catskill Mountains, and you can’t see anybody, nobody can see me,
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and it was a Walden Pond type of lifestyle which I wanted.
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But I also used the Internet for my only source of information, not the TV, not the newspapers. And I saw this action being taken by these protesters and the conditions they were living in
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and the fact that they were not doing this for themselves.
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They were doing this for all people who were suffering injustice.
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And that conviction that they had for social justice just inspired me.
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And I couldn’t do anything else but come down.
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And I would have been down sooner, but I was working on a very important project in upstate New York
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against the gas companies.
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The term is fracking, where they go down and they destroy the air.
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You’re involved in fracking activism upstate.
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So you came down this week. Will you tell me about the arrest itself? The term is fracking, where they go down and they destroy the area. You’re involved in fracking activism upstate.
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So you came down this week.
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Will you tell me about the arrest itself? And I guess the question I’m sort of dying to know is what your interactions with NYPD was like.
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Presumably it was a little different than if I had been down there arrested or someone else.
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Obviously you were dressed like this.
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What was that interaction like?
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Obviously, you were you were dressed like this. What was that interaction like?
01:45:53 ►
They were an exempt. It was exemplary of professional conduct with me and every protester that I witnessed. Interesting. They had an extremely tough job. They’re human beings, too.
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OK. And there’s a the fight or flight reaction. Interesting.
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Police cannot have the flight reaction. So they have to
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have the fight. And subsequently, this can get out of hand. And that’s why you have the white shirts.
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The white shirts are the ones who are supervising. What I saw down there was the white church doing fighting. Therefore, who’s supervising?
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Right.
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That’s when you have anarchy.
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And the problem, and I also want to make clear to everyone in the New York Police Department that I, my statements, video was edited.
01:46:40 ►
Okay?
01:46:40 ►
And I knew that was going to happen. And the one step I could take to try to minimize that from happening was to refuse any interviews with Fox News.
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And a Fox representative did come up to me. I saw the Fox. I said, you stay away from me.
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You’re a big part of the problem. But go ahead and continue. I’m a little wordy if I get too wordy.
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No, you’re not wordy. You’re perfect. You’re I mean, this is really fascinating stuff, because I think all of us have been I’ll speak for myself.
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I’ve been watching this unfold. And, you know, in the beginning, I think I’ve been surprised by some of the police overreaction.
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And people on the Internet have said you’re naive to be surprised by police overreaction.
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by police overreaction. But I think there’s part of me that feels that, A, I’m worried about confrontations with police becoming the sort of signpost of the movement as opposed to its content
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about the 99% message. At the same time, I have been really upset by the various police
01:47:38 ►
overreactions we’ve seen across the country. And it seems consistent. I mean, you have seen time
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and time again, non-threatening,
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non-violent, peaceful protesters being the subject of force. Batons, pepper spray. I want to play
01:47:49 ►
this video, which is sort of making the rounds this morning. Now, this is students at UC California
01:47:54 ►
Davis sitting down completely peacefully, linked arms, protesting tuition hikes, and this is what happens to them. The person who emailed that to me this morning said it looked like someone spraying cockroaches.
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That was pepper spray.
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What is your reaction when you see a video like that?
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My reaction is corporate America is using their own police department as hired thugs.
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And that’s a disgrace.
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And I also want to explain, I have to get a few
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things in here on my own. Please. I was holding a sign that said, NYPD, do not be Wall Street
01:48:52 ►
mercenaries. It was misinterpreted, okay? What I found out, and they’ll never see that sign again
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for this reason. I was trying to convey the message. Do not become Wall Street mercenaries.
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But just that one word, do not be instead of become.
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It was like I was alluding to the fact that they already are mercenaries.
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And that I didn’t realize that until I was told.
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And you get a lot of you got a lot of backlash to that.
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No, but I I got I got one person that told me that, and then a light bulb went on my head,
01:49:30 ►
and I said, you know what, he’s absolutely right.
01:49:31 ►
I was inferring that they’re mercenaries now, and that is not the case.
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So I apologize to every NYPD officer out there if you interpreted it the wrong way.
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But you seem to have this very conflicted stance on what is happening between the protesters and police. And I understand that given your unique positionality,
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which is why we invited you on the program. You are both a protester and a retired police officer.
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I don’t think there’s a whole lot of people in that part of the Venn diagram as of yet.
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In Wisconsin, when we saw in Wisconsin, when there was the move to destroy collective bargaining by Governor Scott Walker,
01:50:06 ►
we saw police standing in solidarity with protesters, and it was a very powerful image.
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And I don’t think we’re seeing a lot of that so far.
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I want you to go back to the psychology of fight or flight.
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Describe to me what is in your head as a police officer, as you stand there facing people linked to arms,
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or sort of confronting you in a nonviolent way.
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What is the psychology of that moment like?
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You are being confronted oftentimes in a nonviolent way,
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but sometimes there’s more violence coming from the demonstrators than you see.
01:50:37 ►
And there’s a tremendous amount of hostility being thrown your way,
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disparaging remarks against your mother, your parents, everything like that, being spit upon.
01:50:48 ►
And you have to just stand there and take a lot of that.
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We’re all human, okay?
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Cops are just as human as everybody else.
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And they are going, some of them are going to lose their temper.
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Everybody has lost their temper.
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And that is the reason you have to have supervision.
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And that’s why the white shirts cannot get involved in fighting,
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because then it’s anarchy. There’s nobody supervising them.
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Their role in the hierarchy is to be the check on that moment when you lose your cool.
01:51:16 ►
And that is not what we’ve seen.
01:51:17 ►
Exactly.
01:51:18 ►
It’s so important. You have said so many important things, and thank you so much for being here.
01:51:22 ►
First, I want to just remind you and all of us where you started, which was you were drawn to this movement because of the values it
01:51:29 ►
was expressing. And I think that what’s been so critical about this week is that we’ve had an
01:51:34 ►
effort to shift the profile of what this movement is about. You can change any picture. Maybe you
01:51:40 ►
can’t change the Occupy movement, but you can certainly change the picture by pouring enormous amounts of cops into every television frame. And that’s what happened
01:51:50 ►
this week. But what’s motivating people to come to this movement is not that it’s a police versus
01:51:56 ►
the people conflict. It is because of the values that are being represented here, which I think
01:52:01 ►
really were expressed this week as the 99 percent for the 100 percent. And then the other thing that you talked about that I think is just just a little
01:52:08 ►
fact is with this question of mercenaries, there was some important reporting over the last few
01:52:13 ►
weeks about how, in fact, I think Pam Martins wrote about it for Counterpunch. You have got
01:52:18 ►
a Giuliani program. Mayor Giuliani started a program years back called Plan Detail,
01:52:28 ►
Mayor Giuliani started a program years back called Plan Detail, which emerges, you know, Wall Street can hire NYPD.
01:52:30 ►
Don’t pay the benefits. Don’t pay the pensions.
01:52:37 ►
So you weren’t entirely wrong, although you’re completely right that your words were mistake, you know, vulnerable to to editing.
01:52:38 ►
We saw that this week.
01:52:53 ►
I mean, you said earlier that you don’t want this to become a police versus protester story. But at the same time, one of the things that’s been so interesting about this is that the police have actually played such a kind of important catalytic role in this movement since day one.
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I mean, a lot of people dismissed it early on in September.
01:53:01 ►
You know, it’s just a bunch of the same kind of the anarchist usual suspects in the park.
01:53:05 ►
Then there was that really horrible image of a police officer pepper spraying this woman in the face. Suddenly it got a lot bigger. There was a big march over the Brooklyn
01:53:09 ►
Bridge in October, 700 people arrested. Then it really took off. I thought that the movement was
01:53:15 ►
really dwindling. You know, Zuccotti Park was becoming increasingly kind of sordid and sketchy.
01:53:20 ►
Then they cracked down with such extreme force. And all of a sudden, again, it’s reinvigorated.
01:53:25 ►
They have their biggest march ever.
01:53:27 ►
Well, we don’t want the movement, I don’t think, if I’m coming from where you’re coming from,
01:53:31 ►
to gain in public view based on the number of arrests that are made, right?
01:53:38 ►
I don’t think there’s any surprise that the captain feels some ambivalence about the movement.
01:53:43 ►
You have to be a captain to feel that ambivalence.
01:53:44 ►
Sure.
01:53:48 ►
Given that there is this real tension when it comes to the rule of law breaking down on both sides, where you’ve got sort of the jackasses versus jackboots.
01:53:55 ►
By the way, the second part of that clip we just heard was from the Chris Hayes show on MSNBC
01:54:00 ►
the Saturday morning after Ray Lewis’s arrest, and I got that off the net, I think at
01:54:05 ►
YouTube, maybe at MSNBC. Now what Chris got wrong, in my opinion at least, was what he said about
01:54:12 ►
there not being a lot of people like Officer Lewis who are both protesters and current or former law
01:54:17 ►
enforcement people. You know, I’ve seen and read about quite a few law enforcement officers who
01:54:22 ►
understand that they are also part of the 99%,
01:54:25 ►
and one in particular is a very close friend of mine, not to mention that he has been a major
01:54:31 ►
benefactor of the salon, and not just through the significant financial contribution he made that
01:54:37 ►
helped us keep going early on in these podcasts, but he is also one of the original half-dozen
01:54:42 ►
participants in the original psychedeledelic Salon.
01:54:46 ►
As I’ve mentioned in the past, the salon actually came into being about three years before I began podcasting.
01:54:51 ►
Back then, I was testing some voice-over-the-internet software that preceded Skype and Vonage,
01:54:57 ►
and since it was ultra-secure, there were six or so of us who got together online each week
01:55:02 ►
and had a conference call that couldn’t be taped,
01:55:05 ►
couldn’t be tapped, couldn’t be listened to by anybody but us.
01:55:08 ►
Not that we were doing anything illegal, of course,
01:55:11 ►
but it was nice to know that nobody could listen in as we rehashed some of the things that took place
01:55:17 ►
at the various Palenque ethnobotany conferences where we’d all met.
01:55:21 ►
And one of those people was, at the time, still on active duty with the New York Police Force
01:55:26 ►
where he was a probation officer.
01:55:29 ►
He’s now retired, has some kind of machine in his chest
01:55:32 ►
that is keeping his heart beating,
01:55:34 ►
and like a lot of us dusty old farts,
01:55:36 ►
he’s got some back, leg, and hip problems
01:55:38 ►
that somewhat limit his mobility.
01:55:41 ►
But Wild Bill Rad is still one tough guy,
01:55:43 ►
and like Ray Lewis, Wild Bill
01:55:45 ►
was on the ground marching on November 17th.
01:55:48 ►
Now, I wasn’t near the phone
01:55:50 ►
when he called that evening,
01:55:51 ►
just before the marchers reached the bridge.
01:55:54 ►
And so he left a brief phone message
01:55:56 ►
that I’m going to play right now.
01:55:58 ►
Hey, this is the New York Outpost
01:56:00 ►
checking in, guys.
01:56:03 ►
Lorenzo, you should
01:56:04 ►
get on in it and get to WNYC.org.
01:56:09 ►
Hang on for a minute.
01:56:11 ►
And look for the Brian Lehrer show.
01:56:14 ►
You’ll see other things, shows.
01:56:15 ►
You hit that, you’ll see Brian Lehrer.
01:56:17 ►
Sorry, he does the radio show every call and stuff like that every morning,
01:56:21 ►
and it’s probably one of the best shows in New York City to find out what the hell is going on.
01:56:26 ►
And he did a good telephone interview with David Graber, who is one of the architects behind OWS.
01:56:33 ►
And he talks about how it all got started.
01:56:38 ►
It’s quite interesting.
01:56:39 ►
You may want to tap into that.
01:56:41 ►
I also just got back from the – my kidneys don’t hold out like they used to be able to.
01:56:47 ►
I was just down at that mass union rally where they marched,
01:56:51 ►
where the OWS people marched from Union Square down to – right through the streets and everything,
01:56:59 ►
down to Foley Square right in front of all the state Supreme Courthouses
01:57:04 ►
and the shadow of the federal courthouse and the federal plaza and all that.
01:57:09 ►
After a while, I just had a pee.
01:57:12 ►
But, you know, I can’t run like I used to be able to.
01:57:16 ►
And, damn, I know I can’t take a hit in the chest either.
01:57:19 ►
So everything looked pretty cool down there.
01:57:23 ►
I took some video, and there were doctors down there and nurses.
01:57:29 ►
Everybody was down there.
01:57:31 ►
I even made a comment.
01:57:32 ►
I think, geez, look at all these radicals.
01:57:36 ►
So it was good.
01:57:38 ►
I will talk to you guys.
01:57:40 ►
Things are getting exciting now in this country once again.
01:57:43 ►
Adios.
01:57:42 ►
Things are getting exciting now in this country once again.
01:57:44 ►
Adios.
01:57:50 ►
By the way, that reference that Bill just made to David Graeber is one that I’ll be following up on
01:57:52 ►
and will most likely be playing some soundbites from.
01:57:55 ►
As you know, Graeber is the author of Debt,
01:57:58 ►
the first 5,000 years, which is a magnificent book,
01:58:01 ►
as well as being the originator of the now famous phrase,
01:58:05 ►
We are the 99%.
01:58:06 ►
I now wish that when I’d return Bill’s call that I’d recorded our conversation
01:58:11 ►
because he had some really interesting things to say about what all he’s been seeing on the ground in Manhattan,
01:58:16 ►
where he happens to live, by the way.
01:58:19 ►
Now, while I’ve got a lot of recorded audio from the reoccupations of Oakland, Portland, and other cities.
01:58:25 ►
I’m going to let you go out to ustream.tv and livestream.com yourself,
01:58:30 ►
where they’ve posted recordings of many of their live feeds,
01:58:34 ►
and let you gather that information for yourself.
01:58:36 ►
There was one soundbite from Occupy San Diego that I wanted to play,
01:58:40 ►
but my notes weren’t clear enough as to which of the clips I’d recorded contained it, and so I’ll just have to tell you about it, but it is also something that
01:58:48 ►
I’ve heard from several other occupations.
01:58:51 ►
And that is the question of how much money this added police activity is costing the
01:58:55 ►
cities, because many of the occupiers are very much aware of this.
01:59:00 ►
What may surprise you to learn is that this too is part of the overall strategy of the
01:59:04 ►
Occupy movement.
01:59:05 ►
By constantly overreacting to a few demonstrators camping out in the downtown sections of our cities,
01:59:11 ►
the police are not only fueling the demonstrations, they’re also playing right into our hands,
01:59:16 ►
as one of the aims of the movements is to bankrupt city police forces to the point where they have to forego buying all this expensive military gear and return to policing our neighborhoods where the real crime is
01:59:27 ►
and leave these peaceful demonstrators alone.
01:59:31 ►
Now, it may take several years, but the police forces that don’t learn to cooperate,
01:59:35 ►
like we were all taught in grammar school,
01:59:38 ►
if they don’t cooperate and don’t learn how to cooperate and learn how to be nice,
01:59:41 ►
well, they’re going to discover that sending a thousand troops to arrest 32 people is a losing proposition. But hey, some people are just slow learners.
01:59:50 ►
The police forces, of course, already know this, but unfortunately it’s the 1% who are using them
01:59:55 ►
as their private army to put down a popular insurrection. So it isn’t the cops who are at
02:00:00 ►
fault here, it’s the politicians who have been bought off by the banksters. Those are the ones that need to be educated about what it means to be a working class person in this country.
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Somebody who has to beat each paycheck to the bank each week just to keep the creditors at bay.
02:00:15 ►
Anyway, while I’m talking about Occupy San Diego, I do want to play a brief soundbite from one of their recent General Assemblies.
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This one, by the way, was actually held in the parking lot of the downtown police station,
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just so the cops would know exactly what they were planning next.
02:00:30 ►
See, it’s called transparency, something the establishment still doesn’t get.
02:00:34 ►
But since the corporate-owned media keeps screaming that the occupiers don’t stand for anything,
02:00:38 ►
I want to play this statement that was agreed on by the San Diego General Assembly,
02:00:43 ►
and it was read in a police parking lot.
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The Declaration of the Occupation of San Diego.
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As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice,
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we must not lose sight of what brought us together.
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We are here so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world
02:01:02 ►
can know that we are your allies.
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As one people united united we acknowledge the reality that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members, that our system must protect our
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rights and upon corruption of that system it is up to the individual to
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protect their own rights and those of their neighbors, that a democratic
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government derives its just power from the
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people. But corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the
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earth, and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic
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power. We come to you at a time when corporations which place profit over people, self-interest
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over justice, and oppression over equality run
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our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts
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be known. They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process despite not
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having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity and
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continue to give executive exorbitant bonuses.
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They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender, identity, and sexual orientation.
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They have poisoned the food supply through negligence and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
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They have profited off the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment
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of countless non-human animals and actively hide these practices.
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They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate
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for better pay and safer working conditions.
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They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education,
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which itself is a human right.
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They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage
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to cut workers’ health care and pay.
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They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people,
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with none of the culpability or responsibility.
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They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams
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that look for ways to get them out of the contracts in regards to health care.
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They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
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They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
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They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products,
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endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
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They determine economic policy despite the catastrophic failures
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their policies have produced and
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continue to produce they have donated large sums of money to politicians
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supposed to be regulating them they continue to block alternative forms of
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energy to keep us dependent on oil they continue to block generic forms of
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medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that
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have already turned to substantial profit.
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They have purposefully covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
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They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
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They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners, even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
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They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
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They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas,
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and they continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.
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To the people of the world, we the San Diego
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General Assembly occupying Civic Center in downtown San Diego urge you to assert
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your power, exercise your right to peaceably assemble, occupy public space,
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create a process to address the problems that we all face, and generate solutions
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that are accessible to everyone, to all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct bureaucracy.
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We offer support.
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We offer documentation and all the resources at our disposal.
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Join us and make your voices heard.
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Thank you.
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All right, guys.
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All right, guys.
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So, as you just heard, there are actually occupiers who do have some thoughts about what’s gone wrong with this country and with the whole world, for that matter.
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And many of these same people, myself included, have been posting on our blogs, writing to our elected officials, going to town hall meetings and voting, all to absolutely no avail.
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Our politicians have all been bought to one degree or another, and ultimately we shouldn’t
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be getting mad at the politicians because they are simply women and men who have risen
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to the top of a system, both political systems and financial systems, that are rotten to
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their core.
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If writing to your congressman and voting worked,
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we would have seen drastic changes over a decade ago. But that hasn’t and doesn’t work. And so
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we’ve begun to reoccupy America and take it back from the banksters who have occupied our economy
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for far too long. Now the final soundbite I want to play today comes from one of our greatest heroes
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of the 60s, Daniel Ellsberg.
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And if you’re too young to know that name, well, you would do yourself proud to go Google him
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and learn something about how one person, a single whistleblower,
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did more to bring an end to the American war in Vietnam than all of the diplomats from both nations combined.
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He’s a hero in all capital letters, and here is what he had to say the other night
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as he prepared to rest his 80-year-old bones in a tent for the night at the Occupy Berkeley demonstration.
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I’m Dan Ellsbury. I’ve been arrested a few times before, but I’ve never seen a scene like this.
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Hard to believe that the police will try to shut this off, but we’ll be standing here to see if it happens.
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Some people are kind enough to bring me into one of their tents
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on Mario Savio’s steps here in front of Sproul Hall.
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So I’m really honored to be with them.
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And Daniel Ellsberg, you’ll be staying here tonight
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on the steps of Sproul Plaza?
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I’ll be here tonight.
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When I heard the people had voted,
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by the way, I’ve never seen a group process
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like the General Assembly tonight.
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They were actually, were voting, thousands of people here. It was an inspiring sight. I wouldn’t
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have thought it could happen. And I’m very pleased. It takes me back to the Rocky Flats
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Truth Force on the tracks. That was a place where we had a chance to sit on those tracks
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because they didn’t take us off except when the train was coming with nuclear material
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from Rocky Flats’ plutonium production facility.
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So we could have a continuous action.
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And we were able to stop the trains every time they came around for a year.
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Well, I haven’t seen anything like that since, that was 1978.
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This Occupy movement is an invention.
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I’m tempted to say it started here, but actually it came right from Egypt, and that’s from Tunisia.
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And actually, an inspiring thought to me is that the man who’s accused of putting out the State Department cables to WikiLeaks,
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Bradley Manning, who’s sitting in Leavenworth right now,
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one of his cables, in fact, several of his cables,
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was a major inspiration to the uprising, the nonviolent uprising in Tunisia.
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So one person can make, speaking out, can really make a very big difference.
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And of course Tunisia led directly to Tahrir Square and the occupation.
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But I think the inspiration for all of these movements in America and around the world.
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Frankly, it’s been a while since I felt as
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much hope as I feel tonight. I’ve almost been reluctant to speak in public and let people
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know how hopeless I felt at some times. And that mood has changed tonight. I don’t think
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it’ll go away. The young people are recreating the youth movement of the 60s, and the youth movement changed this country in the 60s.
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And we haven’t seen it really like this since then.
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So I have great, great hopes for what’s coming out of this.
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Now, Daniel Ellsberg, you are, of course, well-known for being the person who leaked the Pentagon Papers.
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And you are a defender, therefore, of the right to free speech and the right
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to publish in this country, freedom of the press.
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We certainly saw the University of California last week lash out against students who were
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trying to express their opinions here on campus.
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Your thoughts about the behavior of the University of California towards the attempts of students
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to occupy their university?
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You know, I think the point that Mario Savio made so long ago was that an institution like this,
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and like the executive branch of the United States, and the police, and the Berkeley police,
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really can’t help themselves when it comes to being confronted with dissent like this.
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Their instinct to repress it is just irrepressible.
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You know, a new device of repression in this country in the last 10 years
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has been the zone of dissent at conventions and other places.
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The police mark off a particular street or put people behind a cage somewhere
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or behind fences and say, you have your dissent here.
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Well,
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this is our zone of descent here, and we’re going to stand in it. That tent where I’m spending
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the night is a very
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nice zone of descent, one that
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I’m proud to be in. And
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I’m not feeling constrained at all.
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Well, that’s going to do it for today,
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and so for now, this is Lorenzo
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signing off from Cyberdelic Space.
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Be well, my friends.
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And I’d like to leave you with a song, one that was written by and is performed by one of our fellow slauners, Mo Shinola.
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It’s titled General Strike, and it fits my sentiments perfectly.
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I’d love to sing some happy song and turn my eyes and act like nothing’s wrong. But because my country’s going so astray, I want to call a general strike today.
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I want to call a general strike today.
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Our debt is citizens’ due.
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I hope every badge and uniform remembers too.
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If it’ll keep the drums and boots at bay,
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I want to call a general strike today.
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We’ve got to make sure people know it’s people, not the dollar bill that run the show
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But they’ve gone from trust, obey to just obey
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So can I call a general strike today?
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Those corporate copos really shook
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When people hid them in the pocketbook
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And like the folks we thank on Labor Day
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I want to call a general strike today
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It’s all our money anyway
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And we’ll pay for butter over guns any day
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Before the soldiers take your kids away
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I want to call a general strike today
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We interrupt this endless war
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And ring the bell until the playtime’s over
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But, Belle, not all the guns on earth could stay
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I want to call a general strike today
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We all together equal more they’ll have to think of something else than fire and sword
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we’ll show them bloodshed ain’t the only way i want to call a general strike today
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their lust for empire’s gonna cost
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On top of all those we’ve already lost
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Before our demons charge us hell to play
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I wanna call a general strike today
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Ain’t never been no royal road
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My bill of rights won’t be ignored or vetoed.
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We can’t just give all this carte blanche away.
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I want to call a general strike today.
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Yeah, patriotism’s not so huge.
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But I don’t care, it’s still a crook’s last refuge.
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And while I’m still not risking jail to save, I want to call a general strike today. Thank you. is here to stay so can I call it a general strike today
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yeah solidarity
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is here to stay
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so folks let’s call it
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a general strike today Thank you.