Program Notes
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
[NOTE: All quotations below are by Terence Kenna.] >http://astore.amazon.com/matrixmasterscom/detail/0872864480“Ayahuasca is driven by sound, by song, by whistling. And its ability to transform sound, including vocal sound, into the visual spectrum indicates that some kind of information processing membrane or boundary is being overcome by the pharmacology of this stuff. And things normally experienced as acoustically experienced becomes visibly beheld, and it’s quite spectacular.”
“It’s [ayahuasca] essentially ‘brain soup’. There’s nothing in it which doesn’t occur naturally in human neuro-metabolism.”
“It’s [ayahuasca] the only hallucinogen I know, where if it’s made right, the next day, or the day after the experience, you actually feel better than if you hadn’t done it.”
http://astore.amazon.com/matrixmasterscom/detail/0938190806“What it [the ayahuasca experience] is is a self-generated, self-controlled immersion in a non-causal, parallel construct of some sort.”
“This is the key. If you get into deep water with these substances, this is true of psilocybin as well, you don’t want to clench, you don’t want to assume the fetal position and stop breathing. You want to sit up straight and breathe, and sing, and sing it back, and it will step back. You can take control of your situation … most of the time.”
“In the silence, in the darkness, swept away by these alien alkaloids and the plant-mind behind them, you find out a truth that can barely be told. And most of it can’t be told.”
“Ayahuasca loves to take prideful people and rub their nose in it. I mean it can make you beg for mercy like nothing. You have to really approach it humbly.”
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Transcript
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Greetings from cyberdelic space.
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This is Lorenzo, and I’m your host here in the psychedelic salon.
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This is Lorenzo, and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.
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And after having just returned from a week away, I usually kind of dread checking my email,
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mainly because I know I’m not going to be able to answer it all.
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But this time I was really overwhelmed with the number of donors who have sent some of their hard-earned money on our way to help out with the out-of-pocket expenses associated with producing these podcasts and the Burning Man lecture series.
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To begin with, I want to thank Bob and Cicely, who I have now also had the good fortune to
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meet in person.
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As has happened twice before since I began doing these podcasts in 2005, their donation was so sizable that I can only call it a grant.
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And thanks to these grants, I am now firmly committed
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to bringing the Palenque Norte Playa Logs back to Burning Man next year.
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As you know, last year was the first time since 2003
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that we didn’t produce a lecture series on the Playa.
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But that isn’t going to happen
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in 2009 because I now have that adventure almost all saved up for.
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So Bob and Cicely, thank you again from the very bottom of my heart, not just for the
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overly generous donation, but also for all of the great work that the two of you do each
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day to support our community.
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And in addition to the grant from Bob and Cicely,
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I was really blown away to also have received donations from the Jason Bennett Actors Workshop
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and from Tony D., both of whom also donated in the past.
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And on top of that, donations came in from Jesse G., Daniel W., East Forest, and from Greg B.
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Although I no longer celebrate Christmas, receiving so many donations at one time
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sure reminded me of some of the fond memories I have of my boyhood Christmases.
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But I should also probably mention something that Greg B. said in a short
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email that he sent along with his donation. And he said, Hi Lorenzo, thanks for blowing our mind.
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Thanks for preserving McKenna’s fantastic talks. And thanks for all the hard work. P.S. If you are
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going to post a thank you card, the U.S. address shown is not valid. Save your time and money. And so I am reminded once again to mention that I am probably the world’s worst podcast host,
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in that I’ve only been able to keep up with sending thank yous here in the podcast.
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When I first began receiving donations, I always tried to send a little thank you email along, Thank you. To the donors that I’m thanking today and to all of our donors in the past, I sincerely apologize for not being better at sending personal thank yous.
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But if I don’t strictly limit my email time each day, I would never get anything else done.
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So I hope you don’t take too great of an offense at my lack of social graces
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because you truly are all in my heart and I think of you all every day.
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You truly are all in my heart, and I think of you all every day.
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And one last note about today’s donors is that East Forest not only sent money,
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but has also produced some wonderful music for the world to download for free.
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And I’ll say a little bit more about that at the end of today’s podcast.
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But first, let’s get on to another talk by the good bard McKenna.
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And today, since I’m sort of in an ayahuasca frame of mind,
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I also thought that it might be a good time to play a little talk that Terrence McKenna gave about the vine.
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Copies of this talk have been sent to me by several salonners,
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and in case you haven’t already done so, you can Google MP3 and then Terrence McKenna in quotes, and I think you’ll probably find over 60,000 hits.
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So if you need a McKenna fix and you haven’t heard enough of him here in the salon, well,
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there are quite a few other places where you can find these interesting talks.
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But to whomever it was who made this recording and then posted it on the net, I also send my deep thanks. Thank you. Diet, Rituals, and Powers. But this is one of the few McKenna talks I’ve found
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in which he goes on at length about his relationship to this sacred medicine.
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And if you have ever had the good fortune to participate in an ayahuasca ceremony,
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you know quite well that this is definitely not in the category of a recreational drug.
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However, I guess I should add that a friend of mine calls it a re-creational drug, and
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I can attest to the fact that over the past ten years, it certainly has helped me re-create
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myself.
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But that’s a story for another day.
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Right now, it’s time for a little more of the good bard McKenna and this time talking about ayahuasca
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and its recipes. But I should let you know that there are a few things he says that I
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have a serious disagreement with. So for what it’s worth, just because this is Terence McKenna,
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it doesn’t necessarily mean that all of the information you hear is necessarily correct.
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Now, if that doesn’t make you pay closer attention to this little talk, I don’t know what will.
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So let’s join Terrence now and see what he has to say on the topic.
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As far as what I can contribute to the ayahuasca discussion, most of the samples that Jonathan
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most of the samples that Jonathan discussed
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this afternoon
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were actually collected
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by Cass and myself
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in 76
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and then Dennis wrote that picture
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using those samples
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and some that he had obtained
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earlier that year
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they all
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most all came from a single shaman,
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John Fidel Mosandice,
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who was then at Yurina Kosha near Sepulchra.
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We bio-assayed all those groups,
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and they were very strong.
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When I began making my own ayahuasca I used those experiences as the benchmark for what
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I was trying to achieve with my own brews in terms of recipes if you want to you know rather
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than trying to substitute an analog if you’re still interested in what goes into a healthy dose of ayahuasca.
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The way what I settled with, I had a clone of single individual plant called Plowman 6041
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that Tim Plowman had collected in Muri Maglus in 1970 that was called a Cielo ayahuasca.
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The ayahuascaros recognize types of ayahuasca more differentiated than the species.
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They speak of Cielo ayahuasca, Trompitero ayahuasca, so forth and so on.
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So this is a Cielo ayahuasca, so forth and so on. So this is a Cielo ayahuasca,
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flounder 6041.
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I grew it for many years,
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and when I made ayahuasca,
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I used 500 grams of fresh material per dose,
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and 85 grams of fresh stococerea viridis per dose,
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of fresh stocotria viridis
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per dough
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and
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then prepared it
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in the standard way
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which is to boil
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the total
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volume of crushed ayahuasca
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and stocotria viridis
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you make it in a non-aluminum
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pot
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you don’t use aluminum utensils
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because the aluminum is reactive
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and will mess with the effectiveness of the ayahuasca
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and you layer in to the pot
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these pots can be quite large
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you layer in cicotriolese
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crushed banisteriopsis coffee
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the entire plant vigorously smashed with a hardwood club
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to separate the fibrous material, and then you boil it for four hours at a explosive boil, but a constant boil. Pour off the deeply yellow liquid that results.
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Haramine is yellow.
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And you pour off the mother liquor into another container.
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Replace the first wash with a second wash.
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Boil it four hours more,
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then discard all the solid material,
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keep it steaming into the bookshelf,
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and then combine the two washes,
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which is a lot of water, I mean 10, 15 gallons of water,
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and then drive it down to the number of doses that you have pre-calculated.
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I can make up to 12 to 15 doses at a time in pots of this size.
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And I drive it down to 100 milliliters per dose.
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In the final evaporation, you want to be careful not to boil it too rapidly or the sugars which are cooked out of the ayahuasca will tend to caramelize and make it thick
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this does not affect the pharmacology of the ayahuasca it makes it hell to
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swallow and if you do it right you can get it down to 100 milliliters and it will still pour
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it’s as thin as water
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it won’t thicken unless you have boiled it
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with too hot a flame
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so you’re not destroying any psychoactive potentials
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the more caramelized one and the more liquid one
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no, it’s more like it’s an aesthetic thing.
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It goes, you’ve hurried it,
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and if you’re giving it to people who are knowledgeable,
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they will comment on this.
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The sign of amateurish ayahuasca is ayahuasca that’s sick.
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Does it need to be?
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Those are just sugars.
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It’s not doing any good.
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needn’t be. Those are just sugars. It’s not doing any good. My interest in ayahuasca,
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which I indulged over 35 years or so, began with, and if you haven’t read it, you should probably read Burroughs and Ginford’s book, The Yahé Letters, The Search for the Blue Flash, is how I think it is. And it sort
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of initiates the modern era of writing about ayahuasca. The most recent interesting book
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about ayahuasca, other than Eduardo’s commentaries on the paintings of Pablo Amaringo, is probably Michael Taustig’s book,
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Shamanism, Colonialism, and the Wild Man,
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which is just a wonderful book.
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Even if you don’t give a hoot about drugs,
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I think it’s a wonderful book for the richness of the language and the way in which he tells the story
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of the 20th century history of shamanism in the Kutumayo
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region. But my interest in ayahuasca was the same interest that many of the early ethnographers
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and anthropologists were motivated by, which was persistent rumors of group states of mind.
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As Jonathan mentioned,
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the first people to characterize the alkaloid named it telepathine.
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This was because they had the grandiose hope
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that this would be a telepathic drug.
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And in a sense, I think it’s too early to dismiss this possibility.
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Most of us think of telepathy as one person hearing another
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person think. That I don’t think ayahuasca can deliver, but what it can deliver is an
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incredible ability to see what other people mean. Ayahuasca is driven by sound by song, by whistling
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and its ability to transform sound
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including vocal sound
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into the visual spectrum
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indicates that some kind of
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information processing membrane or boundary
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is being overcome by the pharmacology of this stuff
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and things normally experienced as acoustics experience
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become instead visibly detailed
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and it’s quite spectacular.
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I mean, I’ve had ayahuasca where, you know,
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you can sing a tone and just lay down like a Barnett Newman painting,
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a chartreuse line an inch and a half wide in the darkness,
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and then you switch the tone and cross it at a 90 degree angle,
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and then as you begin to experiment, discover that the whole modality of behind
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your closed eyes is open to being driven by by these sounds and i think probably a lot of the
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shamanism especially the off the main rivers shamanism involving ayahuasca is this kind of pseudo-telepathic involvement with sound.
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There are a lot of interesting things about ayahuasca,
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even in distinction or in contrast with other psycholastic plants.
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For example, it’s essentially brain soup.
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There’s nothing in it which doesn’t occur naturally in human neural metabolism.
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When you take ayahuasca, you alter the ratios tremendously and the concentrations,
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but mescaline, so far as we know, salvia desonorum, epogaine,
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these things don’t occur ordinarily in human metabolism.
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Mescaline might under certain conditions.
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But the major psychedelic neurotransmitters
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are what are represented in IOM.
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And it’s the only hallucinogen I know
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where if it’s made right, the next day or the day after the experience, you actually feel better
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than if you hadn’t done it. I mean, even with mushrooms, which is dear to my heart,
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the day afterwards, I tend to keep the phone unplugged and just, you
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know, hot baths and this and that. But on ayahuasca you’re just ready for action at
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four o’clock the next morning and the next day. And the hallucinations are extraordinary.
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They seem to occur, in a way it seems more versatile than
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psilocybin. The hallucinations
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can range over
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a wider range. I mean, they can be anything
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from nature-based
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botanical insectile
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to
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just, you know,
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you name it. I remember
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one period
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of hallucination
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on Ayahuasca
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where it was
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gold Egyptian
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hieroglyphics
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against black
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moving through
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these tunnels
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and this sort of thing
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and it’s very
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I think it’s fake
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it’s probably
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used by more people
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than any other
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psychedelic plant cult in the world,
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if you don’t consider cannabis a plant cult.
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And as a strong hallucinogen, you know,
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in Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, down into Bolivia,
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and then it’s made inroads in the 20th century
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in a big way into Brazil,
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portions of Argentina,
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and then more sophisticated populations
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all over the world are getting winged a bit.
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Are there any questions for that?
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Does it grow in the Panama and the Palmas?
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Oh yeah, it’ll grow.
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It grows well in Hawaii. Many, many plants have more restricted ranges
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than their natural capacity. Most plants have not occupied their full range. This is a consequence
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of the glaciers only having melted 20,000 years ago.
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I lost it.
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I mean, one of the things that interests me that I’ve talked to Chris Blusher about is
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I think that there may be banisteriopsis of some sort
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instigated in Mayan religion.
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Nobody has ever been able to prove this,
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but there is a whole elaborate kind of Mayan symbolism
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that you see at Tulum and at other sites
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that’s called umbilical symbolism.
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And I think these things that have been taken for umbilical cords
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are probably vines of some sort.
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The last time I was at Tikal, in the ruins themselves,
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The last time I was at Tikal, in the ruins themselves,
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there were many yellow flowers, Malthagaceous flowers, on the ground that had clearly been shed by large vines, which you could see going up into the canter.
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And I collected in Belize non-flowering Malthagaceous vines
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that I was unable to distinguish from my ayahuasca.
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So, you know, this may well be happening, or could have been happening among the classic
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miners, but exactly what their drugs were and who used them is pretty expected.
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There’s no trace of that in the current mind populations?
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Well, there’s no trace of mind…
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No, I think the morning glory seeds,
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the mushrooms among the Sieramas, the Teckan Indians,
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the Zapotecs and the Mixtecs,
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among the Maya,
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I think the Morning Glory complex and the
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Salvia Divinorum
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but whatever else may have gone on
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you know there’s a whole
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Jonathan is the expert on this
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but there’s a whole number of plants
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which may have been
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used for their psychoactive effect in Mexico.
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Various coleuses, the Emea salicifolia,
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some people believe certain water lilies,
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old plants like Cuarera guia sumibre even,
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which is now used as a flavoring for certain
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kinds of chocolate drinks. Still, there are depictions on pieces of statuary that seem
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to suggest that maybe this would have an iconic style of usage in the past.
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I have a question about, you’re talking about how the visual experience was driven by sound.
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Right.
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Have you found that the visions could be driven by anything else?
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Any other occurrences besides sound?
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Touch or…
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Well, I tend to lie down and sit still in silent darkness. I suppose
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cannabis helps most of these things. But really, the ayahuasca is extraordinary. The last time
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I took it was in a non-traditional setting, but with one other person, and sitting in completely silent darkness.
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And this guy had these Tibetan chimes, you know,
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the kind you strike with a piece of deer horn?
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And it would be completely silent, and he would strike this thing,
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and it would literally form a piece of jewelry
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or a thing like a machine in the air just
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just this thing would come into being and then it would disappear and then he would make another one and it was very clear that we were seeing the same thing because I commented on it and described what I was seeing and it looked like a little thing made out of iridescent titanium
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with brass connectors
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and it was like an enormous Laurel Birch earring
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or something like that.
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It’s a very specific kind of object.
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I think these things are very mysterious.
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I mean, it was a pity that
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that Rocio’s English didn’t allow a real discussion
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of these stories about the people who disappear
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for days when we come in
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and go into a parallel world.
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Because, you know, if you just think
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that these aboriginal people are ignorant savages well
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then you can just dismiss it but if you have gotten this far on the premise that shamans know
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what they’re talking about well then you have to take very seriously this more outlandish stuff
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you know i mean how where do you draw the line you know and ayahuasca is
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you know, Eduardo Luna
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who some of you know
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is very keen to insist
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that what ayahuasca is really about
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is where you get on
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if you keep the diet
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for weeks and months
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and then take it repeatedly
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over and over in these situations of sensory deprivation. And I think these people are basically erasing ordinary linguistic
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structures and they live in a world perhaps more than half hallucination and their fears of magical attack
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and their relationships
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to invisible beings
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and all this
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is a kind of
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I suppose
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in western terms
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the only thing you could say
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is that the kind of
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self-generated
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self-controlled
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schizophrenia
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but that’s just a word
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schizophrenia
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I mean what it is
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is a self-generated
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self-controlled
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immersion
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in a non-causal
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parallel
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construct
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of some sort
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and
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the reason shamans
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live in isolation
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and on the periphery
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of modern
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and high density
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urban civilization
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is essentially so that they can build these castles in the air that they inhabit.
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They build unique mythological structures
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that are like accretions of their very powerful personalities.
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That’s what all this storytelling is about.
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personalities. That’s what all this storytelling is about. These stories define the contextual limits of what is possible. And if you live in a culture where night after night, year
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after year, you’ve grown up around the fire, hearing the most respected people in the group
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tell these outlandish stories, then for you it legitimizes the search for a
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doorway out of mundane experience and that’s really the only precondition for finding such
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a doorway i mean if you love the weird and you probed it often enough, deeply enough, eventually you’ll hit the jackpot, you know, and the door will
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swing open, and IWAS is definitely very effective for doing that.
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Yeah.
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I guess the Icaros really generate a lot of visions, the Bons sung, and some of those are available on cassette.
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Do you think that kind of visionary generation would come through on a cassette,
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if you did an ayahuasca analog and played one of these things?
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Well, yeah, I mean, if you listen to the music on ayahuasca,
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it transforms the music.
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You have to be very careful.
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I recall many years ago,
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it was the night of a total eclipse.
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There’s some hellish thing in the sky,
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a total eclipse at some time.
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And Sunwater and Adele,
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who some of you may know,
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and I decided that we would do this ayahuasca
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that I’d had in the back of the refrigerator
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for years and this was like a long time ago maybe eight years ago and I got it out and
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I couldn’t remember whether Don Fidel had said always shake the bottle or never shake
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the bottle.
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So I said well to be safe we should shake the bottle in case that’s what he did say
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so I did
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and you know
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I’ve never had it hit me
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so hard
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and we were
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I had put on a record
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which I had previously found
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mildly entertaining
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and the goal
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of the first 40 minutes
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of this ayahuasca trip became to survive
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the playing of this record. It was so, I don’t know, I’ve had other experiences. A friend
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of mine brought me a tape from tribal Afghanistan that I listened to one night in Hawaii on Iowa, and I became so alarmed and freaked out.
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And I could hear something in this music
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that just shouldn’t have been there.
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I could hear that, you know,
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this wasn’t whizzing ragheads in Mud Hut somewhere,
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that these guys had connections
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into the Martian musician’s union.
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It was highly agitating
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so I think the idolatry
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they’re probably tailored
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to create a certain aura
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of confidence
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they’re reassuring
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it’s nice to sit with these old guys
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and watch them
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make beautiful music
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and when you’re alone
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you can sing too
00:28:04 ►
it’s very important to sing
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especially if you become
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afraid or alarmed
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this is the key
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if you get into deep water
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with these substances, this is true
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of psilocybin as well
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you don’t want to clench
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you don’t want to assume the fetal
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position and stop breathing
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and you want to sit the fetal position and stop breathing.
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You want to sit up straight and breathe and sing and sing it back.
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And it will step back.
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You can take control of your situation most of the time.
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I want to ask about the parallel universe. American Indian storytelling and mythology has a great deal to say about these things. There are adventure myths about the two young
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guys that go out and meet the sea chicks and then disappear for twelve years. This is a
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common enduring theme, but it’s my feeling that this person that’s kind of pathetic to me,
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and I’d like to just expound a little bit about when you get into that place,
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what level of very do you find yourself giving it?
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Well, I’m very, very careful.
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I mean, like the way I do these things normally is alone and I unplug the
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telephone and I don’t tell anybody I’m going to do it and I do it in darkness and I roll
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joints in front of me so I don’t even have to move’m so aware of how involved I am in this.
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I mean, I think you have to be almost a damn fool
00:29:53 ►
to just grab hold of this stuff and start flailing it around.
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I mean, for me, it’s like I creep up to the abyss and hang my head over it
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and look, and then I edge back to the abyss and hang my head over it and look and then I edge back from it.
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The idea of trying to actually do something is terrifying because it’ll work.
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I mean, you can do it, but you don’t understand what you’re doing.
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So I like to look as the guy, as Peter Sjoerd is.
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But Sjoerd is finding that it’s a purpose for what they’re seeing.
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They’re sure.
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They’re sure and they get information.
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But the main thing, I mean,
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I think the getting information thing
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is sort of overstressed because it’s astonishing
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and it proves that it’s a higher dimension.
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I mean, if somebody really can see
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who stole the chicken and somebody really can see who stole the chicken,
00:30:46 ►
and they really can see,
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then even though it’s a trivial matter about a chicken,
00:30:53 ►
there’s nothing trivial about the fact that they are exhibiting a paranormal ability
00:30:58 ►
which seems to involve the contradiction of cause and effect.
00:31:03 ►
How can they see who stole the chicken
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number one
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the chicken has already
00:31:08 ►
been stolen
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by the time
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the question is asked
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of the shaman
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well so then
00:31:13 ►
does the shaman
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travel back in time
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does the shaman
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read the minds
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of everyone
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in the tribe
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and look and find
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who stole the chicken
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that way
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or is it just an
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inspired gift backed up
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by social pressure?
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What exactly is going
00:31:32 ►
on here? And then
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when you turn toward the future,
00:31:36 ►
it becomes even more mysterious
00:31:37 ►
because many of these shamanic things
00:31:40 ►
are about
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deciding where the
00:31:43 ►
hunting will take place
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and saying, you know, if we go to the second waterfall,
00:31:48 ►
then there will be capybarae to be killed
00:31:51 ►
and then they go and there is and they do.
00:31:55 ►
Well, if you believe that this person actually saw the future,
00:31:59 ►
then you’re coming perilously close to some kind of determinism
00:32:04 ►
which is, you know, not supportable philosophically.
00:32:09 ►
I mean, if the universe is absolutely determined,
00:32:11 ►
then thinking has no meaning.
00:32:15 ►
Because if the universe is determined,
00:32:17 ►
then you think what you think
00:32:19 ►
because you couldn’t think anything else.
00:32:22 ►
So thinking suddenly is divorced
00:32:24 ►
from the enterprise of knowing
00:32:26 ►
reality. And that’s a little
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discouraging to those of us who
00:32:30 ►
butter our bread in the
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fields of philosophy.
00:32:34 ►
So I think it’s
00:32:36 ►
very mysterious.
00:32:38 ►
The model that I use for all
00:32:40 ►
of these psychedelics
00:32:42 ►
is a mathematical
00:32:43 ►
model, not a psychological model
00:32:46 ►
or a spiritual model,
00:32:49 ►
but a mathematical model.
00:32:51 ►
Mind, under the pressure of evolution,
00:32:55 ►
under the pressure of the need
00:32:56 ►
to defend self and offspring,
00:33:00 ►
has folded itself down
00:33:02 ►
into the three-dimensional
00:33:04 ►
space-time matrix of the body.
00:33:07 ►
Mind has crippled itself in order to caretake the body and the here and now.
00:33:16 ►
Well, when you take these psychedelics, it’s like it’s severed.
00:33:20 ►
The mind is severed from the physical envelope,
00:33:24 ►
and you wander in a much larger
00:33:27 ►
dimension, and it is literally a higher dimensional manifold, and that’s how these apparently
00:33:36 ►
miraculous and magical things, that’s why the shaman can see into a human body, because in a higher dimension,
00:33:48 ►
the inside and the outside are the same place.
00:33:50 ►
There is no distinction. So it’s an inner sensorium
00:33:54 ►
that has a higher dimensional character to it.
00:34:00 ►
It’s a great mystery.
00:34:01 ►
It doesn’t mean to detain us here,
00:34:04 ►
but it’s a great mystery, you know, and it doesn’t mean to detain us here, but it’s a great mystery the relationship of consciousness to number,
00:34:09 ►
and of nature to number.
00:34:12 ►
After all, nature is nature, the deployed three-dimensional physical world in its dynamic.
00:34:19 ►
Numbers are abstractions generated, so far as we know, only by the human mind.
00:34:25 ►
They are inventions of the human mind.
00:34:29 ►
And yet nothing is as descriptive of nature,
00:34:33 ►
no tool is as powerful as the scripture of nature
00:34:37 ►
as mathematics.
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Why is this?
00:34:40 ►
Well, Ayahuasca seems to say is because the mathematical, the higher mathematical
00:34:49 ►
dimensions of the world are objects not merely for abstract deductive discovery, but for
00:34:58 ►
experiential encounters. And then if this is true, then our world as we experience it in the here and
00:35:06 ►
now and day to day is hopelessly limited and circumscribed. It is a very limited world
00:35:17 ►
that we’re operating in, inside our culture, inside our language, inside our body, and so forth and so on.
00:35:25 ►
And in the silence, in the darkness, swept away by these alien alkaloids
00:35:31 ►
and the plant mind behind them, you find out a truth that can barely be told.
00:35:40 ►
Most of it can’t be told.
00:35:44 ►
Yeah.
00:35:46 ►
What about your sense of self in the…
00:35:51 ►
In the Iowa system?
00:35:53 ►
Yeah, in the ego and then like…
00:35:55 ►
Well, I think that these things are very humbling.
00:36:03 ►
It’s very hard to do if you have an ego.
00:36:07 ►
For instance, if you’re the kind of person that other people consider a jackass,
00:36:13 ►
it’s pretty hard to do these things if other people’s judgment on you is correct.
00:36:20 ►
The person who can dominate a noisy bar is not probably a good candidate for ayahuasca.
00:36:31 ►
That kind of bravado and machismo.
00:36:35 ►
Ayahuasca loves to take prideful people and rub their nose in them.
00:36:43 ►
It can make you beg for mercy like nothing. You
00:36:47 ►
have to really approach it humbly. I mean I speak from experience. I probably am easily
00:36:57 ►
betrayed into assuming I know what I’m doing and that’s the moment when catastrophe strikes. What I always say to it when I go into
00:37:07 ►
this, I say, you know, I’m going to take a big dose so please don’t kill me. Here I am, I’m yours,
00:37:17 ►
I surrender, I hold nothing back, I didn’t cut the dose, I didn’t water the tea, so please don’t kill me. And then
00:37:28 ►
it usually responds by not killing you, if it’s so amused you. You can’t demand it.
00:37:39 ►
The real bad trips come when you try to put the squeeze on it, when you try to force a piece of information.
00:37:49 ►
And actually, that’s the difference also in the cultural context of ayahuasca, in many
00:37:56 ►
areas where there’s been a lot of social disruption, the fear of the roads, or hundreds of years
00:38:02 ►
of missionary influence, and what is still remaining in the ayahuasca culture is that the people always drink it with some kind of intention
00:38:10 ►
either to heal someone or to send a star or a spell to kill someone or something.
00:38:16 ►
They don’t just take it to completely just surrender themselves to the plague.
00:38:20 ►
But what they do too, like during their initiation and stuff, I mean once they, like the shamans I guess, or even a lot of the young people really,
00:38:26 ►
they’ll just take it with something in mind.
00:38:29 ►
Of course there’s exceptions, so the difference with that is that a lot of times
00:38:34 ►
you hear a lot of weird stories about like, I don’t know, like young upstart shamans
00:38:40 ►
that have like a light and don’t tap them or a tree fall.
00:38:44 ►
And stuff like that, and there’s a lot of weird black magic that goes on too
00:38:49 ►
because a lot of people just don’t know what it is.
00:38:52 ►
A lot of death virtues into ayahuasca,
00:38:56 ►
into black magic.
00:38:58 ►
And I think a lot of shamans,
00:39:01 ►
they like to just graze the underbelly of the thing. They’re really
00:39:10 ►
concerned about their community and healing sick people and holding it all together. It’s
00:39:17 ►
an exceptional personality in any society, Amazonian or urban American who is a
00:39:25 ►
go for the gusto
00:39:27 ►
kind of person who just wants to get as
00:39:30 ►
loaded as they possibly can
00:39:32 ►
I mean this shaman
00:39:33 ►
that I studied with in Peru
00:39:35 ►
the ayahuasca that we would take on Saturday
00:39:38 ►
nights of touring
00:39:39 ►
would be only about two thirds
00:39:41 ►
of strong and then every
00:39:43 ►
Wednesday night,
00:39:46 ►
we would take just he and a couple of other people.
00:39:51 ►
He said, this was our school.
00:39:55 ►
He said, this is when we learn.
00:39:57 ►
On Saturday nights, we cure the people.
00:40:00 ►
But on Wednesday nights, we plunge to the depth.
00:40:04 ►
But on Wednesday nights, you know, we’d plunge to the depth.
00:40:14 ►
And it was a much more intense, quiet, inward kind of driving in those situations.
00:40:20 ►
So if we took our walk on a Wednesday, would we have any simultaneous experiences?
00:40:23 ►
Quite so.
00:40:27 ►
Every Wednesday. Every day of the week.
00:40:30 ►
The week is loaded.
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How would you compare the nature of reality or perceived reality under ayahuasca and under mushrooms?
00:40:45 ►
Well, the thing about psilocybin that is so extraordinary and I think enough people have experienced this
00:40:48 ►
now that we can make a generalization
00:40:50 ►
about it
00:40:50 ►
the mushrooms talk
00:40:53 ►
they speak to you
00:40:56 ►
in your native tongue
00:40:58 ►
and at conversational speed
00:41:00 ►
and it’s the damnedest thing
00:41:02 ►
until it happens to you
00:41:03 ►
you can’t imagine what somebody could be talking about once it’s, you know, the damnedest thing until it happens to you. You can’t imagine
00:41:05 ►
what somebody could be talking about. Once it happens to you, you know exactly what they
00:41:10 ►
mean. The mushroom is animate and articulate and also kind of extraterrestrial. Its hallucinations Hallucinations tend to be grandiose, the history ending,
00:41:30 ►
the galactarian destiny that awaits the biological overmind.
00:41:33 ►
It’s this ta-da, ta-da, kind of thing.
00:41:38 ►
Ayahuasca is biological and organic,
00:41:44 ►
and you feel the spirit of the forest like Rocio said it’s more feminine
00:41:48 ►
and after a good ayahuasca trip
00:41:51 ►
you feel like your eyes
00:41:53 ►
are just bugging out of your head
00:41:55 ►
because you’ve spent so much time looking
00:41:58 ►
the language of ayahuasca is visual
00:42:01 ►
it shows you
00:42:03 ►
and shows you
00:42:04 ►
and shows you and shows you and shows you.
00:42:06 ►
And once this showing gets going, you know, it’s hard to shut it off.
00:42:10 ►
I mean, it really wants to show, but it silently spills out this cornucopia of images.
00:42:19 ►
And you sing and you manipulate them.
00:42:22 ►
Where the mushroom is highly
00:42:26 ►
articulate. It also
00:42:28 ►
is visual, but it also
00:42:30 ►
can talk, which is
00:42:32 ►
just such an astonishing thing for a
00:42:34 ►
Western. I mean, we are just not
00:42:36 ►
prepared for talking fun child.
00:42:39 ►
Have you tried the two together?
00:42:40 ►
The two together?
00:42:42 ►
I wouldn’t do that, actually, because
00:42:44 ►
I think the monoamine
00:42:46 ►
oxidase inhibiting properties
00:42:47 ►
of the harmine would so
00:42:49 ►
intensify and synergize
00:42:52 ►
the psilocybin
00:42:53 ►
that you might find yourself
00:42:56 ►
swinging from the chandelier
00:42:57 ►
and the shamans
00:43:00 ►
don’t do that either
00:43:03 ►
in the Amazon
00:43:04 ►
and you can rarely get an Iowaahuasca to give you the time of day regarding mushrooms.
00:43:11 ►
They always say, well, we use mushrooms when we don’t have ayahuasca.
00:43:15 ►
But the caveat is that we always have ayahuasca.
00:43:19 ►
Thank you.
00:43:22 ►
Is it common for women to understand the jungle women taking ayahuasca? it depends on the tribal
00:43:32 ►
it depends on the people
00:43:33 ►
but around Kukalfa
00:43:35 ►
there were women in the circus
00:43:38 ►
there was this woman
00:43:39 ►
this ancient woman
00:43:41 ►
who
00:43:42 ►
just she drank with the best of them this ancient woman, Nisra Ura Angula, who just, you know,
00:43:46 ►
she drank with the best of them
00:43:48 ►
and would recount outrageous visions.
00:43:52 ►
And this lady must have weighed under a hundred pounds.
00:43:55 ►
One of the shamanesses,
00:43:57 ►
or shaman, female shamans,
00:43:59 ►
that we tried to contact in 76
00:44:02 ►
is this famous woman
00:44:04 ►
who studied with Manuel Cardoso Rios,
00:44:07 ►
the guy who wrote Wizard of the Upper Antelope.
00:44:09 ►
Her name was Juana Gonzalez Ope.
00:44:12 ►
He told us about her.
00:44:14 ►
She had come to him as a girl of 25 with leprosy,
00:44:20 ►
and he had taken her into the woods for six months
00:44:26 ►
and cured her of leprosy,
00:44:28 ►
which if you can cure leprosy with ayahuasca
00:44:31 ►
is definitely an unorthodox idea.
00:44:33 ►
And she became a major ayahuasquera in this area
00:44:39 ►
and her stuff was said to be the best.
00:44:44 ►
But she had lost her
00:44:46 ►
hands and her feet
00:44:48 ►
so the experience of taking
00:44:50 ►
ayahuasca with her
00:44:52 ►
was fraught with
00:44:54 ►
her presence
00:44:56 ►
which was freaky
00:44:57 ►
from the extreme
00:44:59 ►
especially in the flickering
00:45:01 ►
firelight
00:45:03 ►
there’s a
00:45:07 ►
sort of a new field of
00:45:09 ►
missing feeling of sound
00:45:11 ►
in which a person’s voice
00:45:13 ►
is analyzed in a spectrum analyzer
00:45:15 ►
and the missing notes are provided
00:45:17 ►
to that person
00:45:18 ►
either by singing or humming
00:45:21 ►
to get the person to just
00:45:23 ►
match the note that he’s missing
00:45:24 ►
apparently will heal all kinds of ailments and I’m wondering if you can
00:45:28 ►
see sounds with the
00:45:34 ►
sound that person’s voice is making what’s totally missing in his picture
00:45:38 ►
as in singing or dancing
00:45:41 ►
well there’s the obvious that there’s some kind of diagnostic sensitivity to
00:45:46 ►
invisible stuff
00:45:49 ►
that we don’t ordinarily
00:45:51 ►
perceive
00:45:51 ►
we were talking last week
00:45:54 ►
some of you may have seen this
00:45:55 ►
I mention it because I’m trying to confirm it
00:45:58 ►
I’ve seen on three occasions
00:46:01 ►
in my life
00:46:02 ►
at about this life level
00:46:04 ►
sitting watching someone in profile
00:46:08 ►
as you’re watching me
00:46:10 ►
on a very slight dose of mushrooms
00:46:14 ►
there’s something which goes on
00:46:16 ►
in front of the person’s mouth.
00:46:19 ►
It looks like
00:46:20 ►
it looks like oil in water.
00:46:25 ►
And my rational explanation for what this is
00:46:28 ►
is that you pull air into your lungs
00:46:32 ►
and it is heated
00:46:33 ►
and therefore it has a slightly different refractive index
00:46:37 ►
than the cold air in front of your face.
00:46:41 ►
And so when you speak,
00:46:43 ►
the mixing of the hot and cold air can be perceived
00:46:46 ►
under some conditions and I would get photographed under some conditions as a kind of oily, turbulent
00:46:55 ►
something in front of your mouth. Well, is that cheerful explanation correct or are we on the brink of something else, some more demanding or exhaustive phenomenon?
00:47:11 ►
I don’t know.
00:47:13 ►
Going back just a little bit, I should probably mention a friend and I have been growing ayahuasca clones,
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I guess it’s from your clone, actually, for three years. And in the lack of the stichococci or DMT additives,
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my friend has reported numerous successes with shrooms.
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Adding the shrooms to the ayahuasca?
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Yes.
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What proportion do you make?
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I’m not sure.
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It would be interesting to know.
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I think you might get away with that.
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Probably what it would be is a fair bit of ayahuasca and a tiny bit of mushrooms.
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One of the longest, hardest evenings I ever spent was,
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I got the idea I would take half a dose of ayahuasca and half a dose of mushrooms. And I felt like I was battling demons to return
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with a shred of my sanity. I mean, it was just ghastly. I was pretty phobic of that
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combo.
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You took them at different times?
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No, I took them together. Two and a half grams of mushrooms and a half
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a dose of aromalost and it turned me every way but loose. It was unpleasant. I mean,
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I really thought I had done it this time. What it did was it interfered. It was very
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clear what was happening. It was very clear. What seemed to be happening was that it was interrupting
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RNA transcription of short-term memory.
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So I knew who I was and my history
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and how I had gotten into this situation,
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but I couldn’t remember the last three minutes at all.
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And this would create this anxiety in me.
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And then I would forget this anxiety in me.
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And then I would forget why I was anxious.
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And then that would create more anxiety.
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And I was into some kind of intellectual regress that was…
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And I was just riveted in this chair
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and I thought, you know,
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if this doesn’t unsnap itself, they’ll just put me in a ward
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somewhere you know I’ll just be carried out of here and it it felt like you know that scene in
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2001 when he the guy is outside making the repair and then he comes back and says open the pod door, Hal. I can’t do that, Dave.
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Well, it was hard to see.
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I could almost see
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the jam in the end
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of that machinery
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in the synapse.
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I mean, I had this very clear vision
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of, oh God,
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it’s gone down the wrong pathway.
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The degradated enzyme
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has somehow been locked out
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of the process.
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And here we are, folks, circling the airfield, running out of fuel, zero visibility down below.
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And after about two to three hours of this, it invades us.
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You’re listening to The Psychedelic Salon,
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where people are changing their lives one thought at a time.
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Now, I have to say one thing about the instructions
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Terence just gave for making ayahuasca,
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and that has to do with its consistency.
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Early on in this talk,
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he said that the ayahuasca he brewed was as thin as water.
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In fact, he even said that the sign of amateurish ayahuasca is that it’s thick.
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Well, that kind of blew me away, because all of the ayahuasca I’ve drunk has been thicker
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than pea soup.
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In fact, I am willing to state unequivocally that, in my humble opinion at
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least, dear Terrence was dead wrong about that, completely wrong. But he is certainly right about
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it being difficult to get down when it’s thick. In fact, I’m about to gag just thinking about it
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right now, so I’d probably better change the subject. As to his comments about the possibility that ayahuasca
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might be a telepathic drug, well, I’ve heard several accounts of this being the case and,
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in fact, have actually experienced it quite vividly one time myself. So, while it may not
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always provide a pathway into the realm of telepathy, I do think that the possibility is always there
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and is certainly something that an enlightened culture
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would systematically look into.
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Maybe the reason Terrence didn’t think that ayahuasca
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could deliver on the claim of being a telepathic drug
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is maybe it’s because the brew he was drinking was thin as water
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and he wasn’t getting sufficiently high on it.
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And I don’t mean to sound like I’m berating dear Terrence here,
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but my hunch is that if he were alive today
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and had an opportunity to travel to the jungle
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and work with some of the ayahuasqueros that I know,
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well, maybe he would revise his thinking
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on some of these points he has about ayahuasca.
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But once again, this is something you’ll have to unravel for yourself.
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Until you’ve had some personal experience with the vine,
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it might be best for you to not lock on to anything you’ve heard from me, Terrence, Mateo, or anyone else about it.
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Because just like Burning Man, it’s something that is almost incomprehensible
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until you experience it for yourself.
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Another question that was just asked of Terence
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is to compare the experience under mushrooms
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versus the experience under ayahuasca.
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And as you recall, Terence said the mushroom is animate,
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articulate, and also kind of extraterrestrial.
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I guess the way I would phrase it is that the mushroom consciousness is very cosmic in feeling,
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and with ayahuasca you feel the spirit of the forest and of the planet.
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And on those two points, I agree with him.
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In fact, just recently, several friends and I were talking about the difference between mushrooms, ayahuasca, and LSD, and we more or less came to the same conclusions about
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mushrooms and ayahuasca. However, we all had slightly different takes on acid. And as to
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the question about the use of ayahuasca by women, just let me say this. I know quite a few women, a lot of women actually,
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who are extremely proficient in their use of ayahuasca. In fact, I know many women who are
00:53:53 ►
much more in tune with the vine than I am. For sure, this is not a gender-specific experience.
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If anything, it has been my observation that Lady Ayahuasca actually prefers working with women over men.
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But that’s just one person’s opinion.
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Now, there are just a couple of other things I want to mention today.
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And the first is that I want to thank everyone who has been contributing to our Notes from the Psychedelic Salon blog
00:54:20 ►
and the even larger number of people who are active on the forums over at thegrowreport.com.
00:54:27 ►
In case I haven’t made it clear, the Grow Report forums include a whole lot more than
00:54:34 ►
just the Psychedelic Salons forum.
00:54:36 ►
I haven’t counted them all, but there are forums for all of the podcasts from the Cannabis
00:54:42 ►
Podcast Network at dopetheme.co.uk.
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Plus, Xandor and Mrs. Z have also included forums for the Sea Realm, Blacklight in the Attic, and many others, including their own wonderful podcasts.
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This is a very active and highly intelligent community of psychonauts.
00:55:01 ►
And I highly recommend that you at least surf over there and do a little
00:55:05 ►
lurking if nothing else.
00:55:07 ►
I know for certain that I have learned quite a lot from some of the lengthy discussions
00:55:12 ►
that our community is having there on those forums.
00:55:16 ►
And I also want to welcome Bebe back to the bungalow.
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And in case you haven’t been keeping up with the monthly podcast from Bebe’s Bungalow,
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it’s been hosted for the previous two programs by the most excellent J.K. and S.E.B.,
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who did a terrific job while she was away.
00:55:34 ►
And we owe the two of you a real debt of gratitude for keeping the bungalow’s doors open.
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And then Bebe came back with one of her finest programs, I think,
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which is number 15, in case you’re hearing this in some future time warp.
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And by the way, that is Bebe, whose velvet voice you hear right after the lecture I play each week.
00:55:55 ►
So welcome home, Bebe.
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And there is another podcast I’d like to point out to you.
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I just began listening to it in the past few days,
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and I’m already a big fan.
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The podcast is by Jan Ervin,
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and is called Gnostic Media.
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Now, I first became aware of Jan’s work
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with the publication of his book a few years ago
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that’s titled Astro-Theology and Shamanism,
00:56:22 ►
Unveiling the Law of Duality in Christianity and Other Religions.
00:56:27 ►
And I see now that he has a new book that has just been published and is titled,
00:56:32 ►
The Holy Mushroom, Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity.
00:56:37 ►
Now, I actually learned of his podcast through my friend, Dr. John Hoopes,
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who you heard briefly in my podcast number four, where Daniel Pinchbeck
00:56:47 ►
deferred to him to explain some details about Mayan history.
00:56:52 ►
Interestingly, Jan interviews Dr. Hoops in his fourth podcast, which is a nice little
00:57:00 ►
synchronicity because that’s the fourth podcast is where I also had his little soundbite.
00:57:04 ►
synchronicity because that’s the fourth podcast is where I also had his little soundbite.
00:57:12 ►
Now, Jan’s first program does suffer from a few technical difficulties, as mine did for almost the entire first year, I might add.
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But all of his podcasts are extremely interesting, and I particularly recommend also a couple
00:57:21 ►
of his unnumbered programs.
00:57:23 ►
One, in in fact is titled
00:57:25 ►
Cannabis, Hemp, Marijuana.
00:57:27 ►
That’s a two-hour radio interview
00:57:29 ►
that Jan did a year or so ago.
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Despite the title
00:57:34 ►
of the program, the second hour
00:57:35 ►
is one that I think you will find very
00:57:37 ►
fascinating, particularly
00:57:39 ►
if you are still trapped in the
00:57:41 ►
quicksand of religious dogma that
00:57:43 ►
was forced upon you as a child.
00:57:46 ►
Now, I’ve read quite a bit about cannabis, including the absolutely essential
00:57:51 ►
The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herrer.
00:57:54 ►
But I still learned a lot about cannabis from that podcast that I didn’t know before.
00:58:00 ►
And as I just said, if any of our fellow salonners are still suffering from lingering traces of religious brainwashing from their childhood, the second half of that program may hold the keys to getting you on the path of recovery from your indoctrination as a child. as well as several of Jan’s websites, which include GnosticMedia.com,
00:58:25 ►
PharmacraticInquisition.com, HempForFuel.com, TheHemperer.net, and JohnAlegró.org.
00:58:37 ►
And I’ll post links to all of those sites along with the program notes for this podcast
00:58:42 ►
on our notes from the Psychedelic Salon blog,
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which you can find at psychedelicsalon.org.
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You know, Jan is not only highly talented, but he also has an abiding passion for his work
00:58:55 ►
and is one of the most articulate spokespersons for our community that I know of.
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After listening to the way he responded to a radio listeners persistent and
00:59:06 ►
very negative questioning in Jan’s shamanism interview, I was completely blown away. So I
00:59:14 ►
hope you’ll give Jan a listen and a read because in my humble opinion his information is right up
00:59:20 ►
there with that of the good bard McKenna. And in fact, it may be Jan who is the original source of many of these McKenna talks that
00:59:28 ►
have been floating around the net for so long.
00:59:31 ►
And if so, well, thank you, Jan.
00:59:33 ►
We really appreciate everything you do.
00:59:36 ►
Finally, I want to read part of an email that I received from one of this week’s donors,
00:59:42 ►
Trevor O. of East Forest.
00:59:44 ►
And here’s part of what he had to say.
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Hi, Lorenzo. I’m not sure if this is your email or not,
00:59:50 ►
but I thought I’d give it a whirl.
00:59:52 ►
And by the way, my email is simply lorenzo at matrixmasters.com.
00:59:59 ►
And the only reason I don’t make it too easy to find
01:00:02 ►
is that I always feel so guilty about not being able to answer all of my email.
01:00:07 ►
However, like most people, I really do enjoy receiving it.
01:00:10 ►
So my apologies for not writing back, but I can assure you that I do read it all.
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Now, getting back to Trevor’s email, he goes on,
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I discovered the psychedelic salon a few months back, and what a discovery it was.
01:00:23 ►
I’ve been blissfully traveling on a beautiful floating carpet of mind manifesting thought ever since.
01:00:30 ►
It has been a lovely companion while walking the streets of New York City and in my creative work.
01:00:35 ►
I wanted to extend my thanks for your effort in getting this information out there.
01:00:40 ►
In the spirit of giving, I also want to drop you a line about something I’ve been working on that is certainly related.
01:00:46 ►
It’s called East Forest, a unique musical project that combines 100% original field recordings with ethereal, melodic soundscapes,
01:00:56 ►
with the intention of fostering introspection and mind expansion.
01:01:02 ►
expansion. Like the Psychedelic Salon, all East Forest music
01:01:03 ►
is and always will be free to download
01:01:06 ►
01:01:10 ►
and is distributed through a
01:01:11 ►
Creative Commons license. In addition
01:01:14 ►
to releasing music, the website
01:01:15 ►
also serves as a blog featuring
01:01:17 ►
a wide variety of media
01:01:19 ►
that relates to the subject of consciousness.
01:01:22 ►
Against this backdrop of
01:01:23 ►
news, videos, articles, and anecdotes, the music is designed to act as a practical tool © BF-WATCH TV 2021 The Education of the human experience.
01:02:07 ►
And I’m just trying to spread the love around.
01:02:09 ►
Thanks for any help and enjoy.
01:02:12 ►
Well, Trevor, you’re doing far more than your part to make this a better world.
01:02:16 ►
And after visiting EastForest.org, I’m even more impressed.
01:02:21 ►
This is a very interesting blog, and my guess is that you’ll like it, too.
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impressed. This is a very interesting blog, and my guess is that you’ll like it too.
01:02:32 ►
And after I sign off, I’m going to play one of their songs that is titled Run. And please keep in mind that the sound quality I use for these podcasts really isn’t high enough to give you a
01:02:38 ►
true appreciation of their music. You really need to hear it at a better recording level,
01:02:43 ►
which is the one that’s available for their free download.
01:02:47 ►
So if you are looking for some gentle music to journey with or some podcast-safe tunes to add to your own programs, you might want to check them out.
01:02:56 ►
And by the way, the artwork on their site is also a mind-blower.
01:03:00 ►
My compliments to the artists.
01:03:02 ►
mind blower, my compliments to the artists.
01:03:08 ►
And now, as always, I’ll close this podcast by saying that this and all of the podcasts from the Psychedelic Salon are available for your use under the Creative Commons Attribution
01:03:13 ►
Non-Commercial Sharealike 3.0 license.
01:03:16 ►
And if you have any questions about that, just click the Creative Commons link at the
01:03:20 ►
bottom of the Psychedelic Salon webpage, which you can find at psychedelicsalon.org.
01:03:25 ►
And that’s also where you’ll find the program notes for these podcasts.
01:03:29 ►
But before I go, I just want to repeat one more time a truth, a truth to me at least,
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that Terrence so clearly stated just a few minutes ago.
01:03:40 ►
And I quote,
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In the silence, in the darkness, this is Lorenzo signing off from Cyberdelic Space.
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Be well, my bag. If you want you can cross together, one foot, one foot.
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot?
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One foot? One foot? One foot? One foot? One foot? Oh, my God. Thank you. Thank you. You can’t run by, you can’t hide
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You know you can’t run by
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You know you can’t hide Thank you.