Program Notes
Guest speaker: Timothy Leary
[NOTE: All quotations are by Timothy Leary.]
“At every level there are eight stages of intelligence. You have to turn your brain on to the circuits that are used at that level of intelligence. And there are ways to change the human brain to different stages. The things that change your brain are called ‘drugs’.”
“The ketemine experience is very much like the dying experience. It is a hands-on dying experience.”
“If you know how to die, gracefully, and elegantly, and intelligently, why bother with all the foreplay?”
[Speaking to the Baby Boomers] “Your generation is a sinking ship. So the intelligent thing to do is to jump ship.”
“I’m into the absolute navigational fact that you can only go as far into the future as you understand and are really respectful of the past.”
“The key to evolution is the individual, the intelligent individual, the self, finding a self within.”
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Transcript
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Greetings from cyberdelic space. This is Lorenzo and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.
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And I’d like to begin by first thanking two more Amazon reviewers of my Kindle format novel, The Genesis Generation,
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and who go by the handles Psychonautic A and Skittons.
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And additionally, I must admit to being greatly remiss by not thanking all of our fellow salonners who have taken their time to write a customer review of this podcast at the iTunes store. To be honest, I’d kind of forgotten
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about that since I don’t go to the iTunes store very often. So the last time that I checked,
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I guess it must have been a couple of years ago, the number of reviewers had jumped from 15 to 30-something
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in its first few years on iTunes.
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But just now I thought that maybe I’d better take another look at it
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since I’ve been going out of my way to thank the recent Amazon reviewers of my books.
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Well, I was shocked to discover that there are now 143 customer ratings
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with an average of five stars.
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Gosh, how do I say thank you to such, to me, is an overwhelming response to these podcasts.
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So I’m now getting today’s program out a bit late since I took the time to read them all.
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And that, my dear friends, is all the encouragement that I need to keep these
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podcasts coming your way. You’ve made an old man, but old in years only, and who still feels 15
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inside. And recently one of my grandchildren told me that I act like I’m only five. So
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nonetheless, no matter my inside or outside age, you have all made me a very happy man.
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no matter my inside or outside age, you have all made me a very happy man.
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Now, as you’ll hear in just a few moments,
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what I’ve been thinking of and mentioning as a small little talk with just a few people present may have been way off track, because in just a few minutes,
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you’re going to hear Dr. Timothy Leary say something to the effect that
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the conference they are attending has some 200 or so
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people present. But it still sounds to me as if he’s in a small room with only a few people there.
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So maybe this was a little spin-off from a larger conference. Of course, the actual setting doesn’t
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matter as much as what he has to say. And so now we’ll rejoin the good doctor and his German friends way back in 1983,
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which, if you keep up with the lore of Terence McKenna,
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you will recognize is a very important year in the history of what we now call the psychedelic resurgence.
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I’ll tell you another story.
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This is a very dangerous story.
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It’s about an animal.
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Let’s say it’s a dog.
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The dog’s name is
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I don’t know. It’s called Doug, Mr. Doug.
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He’s a very happy dog.
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He lives in a house.
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He has a good master.
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And every morning at 10 o’clock they bring him food.
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And he lives in, no animals around so uh the dog was very good life
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he wakes up in the morning he goes out and goes around his back and the dog has three fleas one here one here, one there. And then he goes and he has his dinner.
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And then he goes and he lies down in the sun.
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He goes to sleep.
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And then he wakes up and he
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scratches one’s sleeve.
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This is one
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happy
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and successful dog.
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No problem.
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Except one day he wakes up. and successful dog. No problem. Except,
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one day he wakes up.
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And he runs around
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and gets the plaything.
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Five miles away,
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there is a
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female dog.
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A toy line dog.
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Who is in, wants, who needs some superlative load. She sends out a signal, like a scent from the pteranodon, just five miles, like a big red neon electric signal that comes to the dog,
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but suddenly the dog is a consumer of a product
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that he didn’t know he needed or wanted five minutes before. Now he runs
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five miles. And yes, there are other dogs, man, who study Charles Darwin.
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I think this conference in Saarland is a wonderful conference.
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And I thought a great deal about the people who have come here.
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And everyone at this conference is a good person.
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It’s a friendly person.
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And a person who wants to grow.
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It’s a friendly person and a person who wants to grow. A lot of energy comes from a conference like this because everyone at this conference will go home and be sending out signals. different signals because you’re different people and you’ve got different
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states of evolution, different kinds of intelligence at the conference. It’s very
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interesting to see the effects of what happens from 200 people coming, like us,
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coming together. And I’ll go back to America, and I’ll go to to America and I’ll talk about Germany and the way information moves out that way.
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I talked about seven kinds of intelligence.
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The first intelligence is biological intelligence.
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That’s to stay healthy and to avoid pain.
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The second is emotional intelligence.
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How to interact as a social person in an intelligent way with others so that you don’t make them angry or allow them to crush you. Emotional intelligence is a very
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early form of intelligence. Biological intelligence, you
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have to get the right jungle without banging people.
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I was in prison once for 42 months.
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And it’s very interesting to be in a prison,
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because in a prison, you can’t escape.
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You can’t get out, either from the guards or from other prisoners.
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In prison, if you make an emotional mistake, we go to the office,
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and hello, or I’m sorry, too busy, call tomorrow.
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You can…
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Emotional interactions, you can stay away from people you don’t like,
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so if this person is like that, you won’t go to that restaurant, you can move around.
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this person is like that, you won’t go to that restroom, you move around. In a prison, you have to really face the mirror of your emotional actions.
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So I can remember, I wake up in the morning and I get out of my cell.
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This is a big prison, a half mile, big hallway. I walk down the hallway and I would meet
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a hundred prisoners and I would
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have to know that one is from the group that doesn’t like myself so I go this
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one is very important I think hey man how you doing good well well listen no Good. Hello. This one? No, you got it.
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You had to know
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exactly how to
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interact with each
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prisoner or
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it could cause a chain of
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chain of events that cause
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trouble.
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The third stage of intelligence
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that we talked about
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is The third stage of intelligence that we talked about is verbal 2, 3, and 9.
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Then at the fourth level of age of intelligence was the social.
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And the fifth was the aesthetic, erotic.
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And the sixth was programming your brain.
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And the seventh was the aesthetic, erotic. And the sixth was programming your brain. And the seventh was genetic.
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And today we’re going to talk about the eighth kind of intelligence.
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A book. A book.
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One book was like CBS television.
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It would take 30 writers in a monastery 30 months to make one book. And
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the book was owned by the king or by the pope. And one book was worth like owning a television franchise in Brion, right? Then Gutenberg invented the printing press so that they could make 100 books a day. It’s 700 books a week, 3,000 books a month.
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So pretty soon, everyone has a book.
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And hands-on, you could open up your own book.
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Whereas before, you could never touch the big book
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because it was so valuable.
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You got to get a rope around it.
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And the priest would read, or in some cases
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in the church, the big book would be here.
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And I would read from it.
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You’d be down there.
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It was pretty nice.
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Everybody gets the book.
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And with the tap,
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you can take the pencil
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and you can change the book.
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So the idea of Gutenberg is the idea of hands-on.
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And that caused the Protestant Reformation,
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the idea that every person could pray to God, start capitalism, start all those things. But at the sixth level of brain computing, hands-on is the idea that
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you program your own brain. And then in genetics, genetic intelligence, you can program your own genetic evolution. Now that’s a very powerful concept. If you can change, There will come a time
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when cloning
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will be very
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intelligent.
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Now, I don’t think
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it’s a good time to clone.
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I think it would be funny to have
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100 Timothy Larrys.
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And every night at midnight in British time, for ten minutes we’d all get on a telephone and say,
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What did you do today?
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Why was there a tower line?
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Whatever!
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Kirby! Kirby!
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Oh yeah!
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What did you do?
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Oh yeah, I did a…
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Legan. A’d you do? Oh yeah, see what I mean. Legan.
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Toronto Legan?
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Well, how’d the movie do the first weekend?
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Grossed 20 million. Not bad.
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All the Timothy Larrys are very busy.
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And some don’t even come to the phone because that makes it such a good time.
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But now is not a good time to phone because we’re on one planet.
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One planet is like one little nest.
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This planet is a small little planet.
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It’s only 25,000 miles around.
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It’s mainly water anyway.
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So this is a smaller planet.
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This planet is too small to have 100 Timothy Berries
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running around in it.
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So we wait.
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But in a hundred years
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we have
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been living in space for 200 years
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and we’ll have made many
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space
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homes.
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And well,
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it would be nice
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to visit some other stars
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because there are other stars or other planets, they speak English and German, I hope. But the problem is, to go from one star to another takes thousands of years.
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So that for us to get there in our, incubate or hibernate.
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Or, another thing that you just take,
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make up a package,
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and have in that package
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all of the biological, organic,
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pre-living chemicals.
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We take a year’s cell and we make a hundred of you put one of you in each of these packages
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and send them out to a hundred…
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Oh, you didn’t go too.
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Come on back.
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Why don’t we all go together?
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We’ll make up a little package called the Sauerland.
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And then we’d all be there.
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Two, three thousand years. We’d all be there.
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Two, three thousand years.
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Package of land on the planet and
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box would open up and chemicals would be there and the sun,
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one morning the sun would come out.
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Then we’d get a little package.
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We’d all wake up.
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Well, here we are again. Planet Earth is
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a thousand years away.
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And O’Connor comes and says,
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you lost my new stick.
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Really?
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Right?
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And we talk about Steiner.
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It’s possible.
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It’s possible.
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If it’s possible,
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then it’s probable
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that maybe we can do it.
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Anyway, that’s genetic intelligence.
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The eighth level of intelligence
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is called
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the
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out of the body experience.
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By the way, I should tell you that
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at every level of these eight stages of intelligence,
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you have to turn your brain on
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to the
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circuits that are used at that level of intelligence.
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And there are ways to change the human brain to different stages.
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The things that change your brain are called drugs. Now if you want to turn your brain to the programs that have to do with health,
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and at every level, to use your brain, you have to have hardware. For example, when your brain turns on to talking, you have to have the hardware of throat, lungs to send the air up.
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That means that you have to, you cannot open up your third circuit when you’re still underwater, because then you wouldn’t be able to talk underwater.
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Or to write.
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So there are, every stage of intelligence, there is a drug that can help you to access or go back to this level, and there’s hardware that you need.
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Suppose someone… the first level is biological intelligence.
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Suppose someone has an accident outside the hotel, picked fell to the floor lying on the ground.
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And then, they’re in great pain
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and having trouble breathing.
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So, we might do…
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And the more pain, the more motion,
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and the harder to breathe.
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So, a doctor might come and say, well, we will take away the
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pain by giving the patient a drug, usually an opiate. Oh don’t feel the pain. I lost my job. My suit’s
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ruined from the accident. My wife or husband ran away. That’s alright. I don’t feel any
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pain. And then the doctor comes and puts the oxygen and breathing,
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makes you recover.
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So, the drug,
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the brain that does no pain,
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and the oxygen and the bandages are the hardware that are needed.
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So at every level of intelligence,
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there’s a drug that can put your brain
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through that level,
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and there’s hardware around. Now, an intelligent person knows how to program the brain. An intelligent use a drug or use the, who should we do it
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to?
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We got it.
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We gave them a strong dose of heroin. Two minutes later, he was smiling, but he wouldn’t hear a word I was saying.
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So, maybe that was good, I don’t know, maybe not. So, for the eight big stages of intelligence,
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stages of intelligence, there’s a drug that can get you to that stage. Now, be very careful
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because, be very careful, because what I’m going to teach you now is how to move your
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brain around using drugs. What is a drug? A drug is a chemical that goes into the
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receptor site
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in the brain to open up
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the circuit of your brain.
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A drug
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is an access code.
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So you should be very careful
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when you use a drug because you’re
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opening up those.
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If you’re feeling pain,
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the drug to make your body feel good
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is the opiate.
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Now the opiate is very dangerous
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because it tells your brain
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everything’s good, everything’s fine.
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But at the hardware level,
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you’re nodding out and you don’t know whether it is or not. So that opiates should be used only when you know what’s causing
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the pain and you have done something about the pain, so the pain is no longer a signal,
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and then you want the pain to go away.
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Now, if you have a toothache,
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the thing you have to do now is to take heroin,
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because you take heroin,
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and you wake up,
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and you’ve got toothache,
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but you’ve got to make it here,
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so then you’re running around,
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and you take more heroin,
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and then you’ve still got the toothache,
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but now you want this other thing. The thing to do if you have a toothache. Go to the dentist.
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Go to the dentist, and have the dentist take out the tooth. Oh, he takes out the tooth.
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And have the dentist take out the tooth.
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Oh, he takes out the tooth.
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Food.
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Cots.
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Food.
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One of those.
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Hold that.
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No, it hurts.
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Doctor?
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It hurts.
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Okay.
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Four.
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Opiates.
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Okay?
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Only four.
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You know.
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Take an opiate.
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You go to sleep. You wake up in the morning the pain is gone, tooth is alright. That’s how to use an opiate.
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Now for the emotional stage of evolution, the drug that brings out emotions.
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The drug that a little person, doesn’t like his boss, takes this drug, tells the boss. The drug that makes people very emotional, of course, is alcohol. And he had a measure
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of the emotion,
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adrenaline.
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He had a measure of adrenaline in everybody.
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He walked out
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and went around the hotel,
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down to the bar,
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11 o’clock,
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there’s more adrenaline going
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than the next
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24 hours.
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The drugs you make for the mental intelligence level, so you can deal with the symbols, the
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plastic, are energizers. See that? Just to put some coffee and…
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Entropical battery, and then… I’m talking faster. My life is about emotional intelligence.
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Mental intelligence.
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I’m spinning out those words faster.
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Energizing it.
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The trouble with an energizer.
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Energizers are wonderful.
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Because they do give you energy.
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And they do allow you to say faster and put it all in one.
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The problem is
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that
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energizers
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don’t make your words any better.
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There’s more words.
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So,
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So, uh…
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I told you I’d be at a party.
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We’d have a party in Los Angeles and we’ll invite some friends over
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and they use cocaine.
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Use cocaine at midnight
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now
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to use cocaine
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at midnight
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guarantees
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that
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at five in the morning
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you’re going to be wide awake
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talking like this
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so
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I go to bed and I wake up,
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sleep for eight hours, wake up,
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and near there my cocaine friends are still talking.
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What do they say?
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No importa.
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The drug for normal social life
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is of course
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the tranquilizer.
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Now the eighth circuit of the brain
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is very interesting.
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And it’s very interesting because in honor of Dr. Kubler-Ross, we can
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call the 8th circuit of the brain the death circuit. Because Dr. Kubler-Ross has written, many scientists have said, that the moment of death or a traumatic accident, when the person may think he or she is dying, there are moments of revelation. I saw it my whole life. It’s been well known.
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Dr. Kubler-Ross has written a lot about it. It’s called the dying experience. And the
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dying experience, well, it’s very logical. That’s the end. The brain, good morning.
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We have talked about how to walk and how to use your emotions intelligently so that you don’t…
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And how to communicate intelligently.
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And how to arrange your environment so that everything is beautiful and erotic and hedonic.
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And to make love intelligently.
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Use DNA intelligently. Now we’re going to die intelligent. I’m not saying that when the heart stops,
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this will be fun for us.
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I love talking to you.
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You give me a grade.
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I’m a little nervous. Oh, well, that was some fun, huh?
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I may die of embarrassment right here in front of you.
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But I’ll die happy.
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When the heart stops the last time,
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boom,
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the brain knows
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what’s going on in every part of the body.
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So,
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when the heart squeezes out
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its last few messages,
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the feet and the extremities, forget them.
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Everything starts to close down from the outer.
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There goes the knee. Uh-oh.
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We’ve just lost the left foot.
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Save the genitals.
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That’s the case.
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Forget the stomach, yeah. All right, let the case. Forget this stuff again.
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All right, let the speech and muscle go.
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That’s all right.
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We’ll clean it up in the morning.
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You’re all safe, though.
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The brain keeps the last oxygen, the last
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blood sugar.
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The brain is so programmed
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that
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the official
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cause of death is brain death. And your body
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can die, but your brain
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is alive and can bring your body back.
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You all know that very well.
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So, from the time
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that the message goes from the body, it’s
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all over. The brain, which has between 10 and 40 billion computers, they’re still functioning. And they’re functioning also.
00:32:25 ►
The lines are down to the…
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We don’t care anymore about the breathing or about the stomach.
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The brain is free to just communicate with itself.
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Now, we’re talking about a network
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of between 10 and 40 billion computers
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that are all, can communicate with
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each other, with no problems about oxygen or about reproduction or about illumination,
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because the body’s gone, so that, I’ve always thought logically, neurologically, it’s highly
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difficult. After the last heartbeat it stops
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for two or three or four minutes
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the brain is still going
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it’s timeless
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you can obviously
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process more information during that period
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than you could if you’re down here
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so that
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it’s absolutely right
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and you’re a genius to teach humanity this
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if you understand how to die If you understand how to die,
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then you understand how to live.
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Now,
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there is…
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You know John Lilly
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in his research of ketamine.
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When you take ketamine,
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ketamine is called
00:33:44 ►
an ideal anesthetic because it turns off all the signals to the brain, but it leaves the body working perfectly.
00:33:55 ►
So it’s like parking your car and you get out of your body and there’s no fear because you know that the body’s working fine, but you’ve left the
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body.
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And then people usually say, I’ve died.
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Like a death experience.
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That’s all right because your emotions are turned off. So even if you wanted to be upset about the fact that you’re
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about your body, you can’t be upset because the upset dials adrenaline right down there.
00:34:37 ►
You have to get all the way down to the body and turn on the adrenaline. The adrenaline
00:34:40 ►
would come out and the adrenaline would go along the bloodstream to the pancreas and then down to the liver and up to the heart to make the heartbeat faster.
00:34:50 ►
But that can’t happen because you’re cut off to the body so that there’s a…
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You can’t be emotional. You can’t be afraid because… So, the ketamine experience
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is very much like the dying experience.
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It is a hands-on dying experience.
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It means that John Lilly
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says that he dies every time he takes ketamine.
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And then two hours later he comes back.
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Now, remember that the concept of the evolution of intelligence
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is the concept of hands-on.
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So that hands-on genetic intelligence,
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we can change DNA,
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and we don’t have to be victims of the irreversible genetic process.
00:35:50 ►
We can inoculate ourselves so that the cells in our body make DNA changes
00:35:56 ►
so that they can deal with diseases like smallpox.
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We have sex change operation. We talked about that the other day. diseases like smallpox, we can…
00:36:07 ►
we have sex change operation. We talked about that the other day.
00:36:09 ►
So now if someone is a boy and wants to be a girl,
00:36:14 ►
they can change the external genitalia,
00:36:18 ►
they can change the hormones,
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they can re-imprint their brain so that they look like a girl.
00:36:31 ►
He thinks like a girl.
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He walks like a girl.
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He talks like a girl.
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He says he’s a girl.
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Well, okay. Okay, that is genetic intelligence, when a human being can change the most genetic of
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all characteristics.
00:36:52 ►
So that’s genetic hands-on.
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Body intelligence is hands-on. Whereas your body is not an instrument
00:37:05 ►
for the company,
00:37:08 ►
your body is an incredible
00:37:10 ►
possibility
00:37:12 ►
for beauty,
00:37:14 ►
pleasure.
00:37:16 ►
It would be possible to have
00:37:18 ►
a clinic
00:37:19 ►
for Dr. Lilly,
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where Dr. Lilly could
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train people in the art of dying.
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There’s one problem with ketamine.
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There’s a problem with every technology.
00:37:36 ►
The problem with opium is that it makes you feel good, but it doesn’t do good.
00:37:43 ►
The problem with the tranquilizers is they, they’re outstanding, they make you feel good, but it doesn’t do good. The problem with the tranquilizers is
00:37:46 ►
they’re outstanding, they make you feel all right,
00:37:49 ►
but still things don’t change.
00:37:53 ►
The problem with hedonic erotic drug is that
00:37:59 ►
if you take it in a situation where you’re supposed to be working,
00:38:04 ►
it’s very unpleasant.
00:38:08 ►
But the problem with ketamine is…
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Have you talked to John Lilly recently?
00:38:12 ►
Have you read him?
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Not recently.
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The problem with John Lilly is
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he’s taken ketamine a lot.
00:38:21 ►
And he says,
00:38:22 ►
ketamine is not addictive.
00:38:24 ►
You don’t, physically.
00:38:27 ►
He says, the problem is that the dying experience is so interesting that after four hours you
00:38:38 ►
don’t want to come back to life.
00:38:40 ►
Now that is the terrible addiction that… Of course, he’s not addicted,
00:38:49 ►
but he has discussed this at times.
00:38:52 ►
Like, if you come to John Lewis’ home,
00:38:56 ►
or he comes to your home,
00:38:58 ►
and there’s a party,
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and people are drinking wine,
00:39:02 ►
smoking cigarettes,
00:39:04 ►
talking about psychology.
00:39:07 ►
John Lilly asked me, well, I’d rather go upstairs and die.
00:39:22 ►
I’d rather die than go to that party.
00:39:26 ►
Upstairs.
00:39:32 ►
Not only highest level of wisdom is learning how to die intelligently.
00:39:52 ►
Why bother about
00:39:54 ►
psychology and conferences
00:39:58 ►
and World War III?
00:40:00 ►
Discover the wheel.
00:40:01 ►
Discover real estate.
00:40:04 ►
Discover the computer
00:40:05 ►
if you know
00:40:09 ►
if you know how to die
00:40:11 ►
gracefully
00:40:14 ►
and elegantly and intelligently
00:40:15 ►
why bother with all the foreplay
00:40:18 ►
you were
00:40:24 ►
interrupted I think,
00:40:25 ►
when you were talking about
00:40:26 ►
tranquilizers at the social stage.
00:40:29 ►
Yes.
00:40:30 ►
And I was really interested
00:40:32 ►
in the drug progression.
00:40:33 ►
Yeah, okay.
00:40:37 ►
Opiates, alcohol,
00:40:39 ►
energizers, tranquilizers,
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pleasure drugs.
00:40:43 ►
Well, cannabis is the basic pleasure drug.
00:40:48 ►
For
00:40:49 ►
brain-computer
00:40:50 ►
intelligence, LSD.
00:40:55 ►
I believe that
00:40:56 ►
a drug like LSD
00:41:01 ►
really you have to
00:41:03 ►
live in the computer age to know something about how to use the brain exactly with LSD.
00:41:12 ►
And in the past, when people would use drugs like LSD, they would use the language of the past
00:41:25 ►
and the language three or four hundred years ago,
00:41:30 ►
well, the language of the Tibetan Book of the Dead.
00:41:34 ►
The Tibetan Book of the Dead is 49 days or 49 stages of time
00:41:38 ►
and there are all the hallucinations and the visions
00:41:42 ►
and the ecstasies that the brain can produce.
00:41:48 ►
But the Tibetan Book of the Dead was written about over 2,000 years ago
00:41:53 ►
so that they couldn’t talk about nuclear energy or about DNA.
00:42:00 ►
So there were devils and demons and people with wings and ink and good saints and bodhisattvas and dhyani bhuvis and all that.
00:42:11 ►
Don’t trust anyone born before 1965.
00:42:36 ►
I won’t say that here.
00:42:39 ►
People get very upset at my music.
00:42:43 ►
You can’t get the generations against each other that way.
00:42:45 ►
After all, you know, we have enough trouble here stirring around generations of words.
00:42:50 ►
And I say, well, we’ll make a deal.
00:42:52 ►
We’ll say, don’t trust anyone that hasn’t changed their minds since 1946.
00:43:01 ►
But I want you to prove it.
00:43:04 ►
Let me say you’re my dear.
00:43:08 ►
There’s a concept called temporal geography, that is, the generation you belong to is in
00:43:15 ►
as many ways as important as the spatial geography.
00:43:20 ►
Because I said when I walked yesterday and I saw the two generations of Germans,
00:43:25 ►
the young Germans live in a space which is different from the older Germans.
00:43:31 ►
So that’s temporal geography.
00:43:32 ►
They inhabit the same zip code, not for long of it. And the clever thing to do is, every generation, every generation up until now has been a ship,
00:43:52 ►
like a Titanic.
00:43:54 ►
It’s doomed to go down.
00:43:57 ►
And gradually people born before 1946, there are fewer and fewer of them.
00:44:01 ►
Recently there’ll be a few of them, they’ll be regging in a wheelchair, just internally, get the bomb, you know, get the wheelchair over here. They’ll be 90 years old and they’ll still be fighting Russia or whatever like that.
00:44:11 ►
They’re not going to stay around. Your generation is a sinking ship. So, the intelligent thing to do is to jump ship.
00:44:27 ►
My generation, I mean, my people, my age, are causing all the trouble in the world today.
00:44:38 ►
And I have jumped their ship.
00:44:39 ►
I’ve gone, jumped over to the sixties generation.
00:44:42 ►
Now, I didn’t do that.
00:44:44 ►
I said to them, come. And I went to all my friends and I said, come on, you know, I didn’t do that. I said to them, come,
00:44:45 ►
and I went to all my friends
00:44:46 ►
and I said,
00:44:47 ►
come on, you know,
00:44:47 ►
I said, come on,
00:44:49 ►
don’t go down with the ship.
00:44:50 ►
You know, come on,
00:44:51 ►
they love the ship.
00:44:53 ►
They’ve been trained to go down.
00:44:54 ►
In fact,
00:44:55 ►
it’s supposed to go down.
00:44:57 ►
They’ll argue that
00:44:58 ►
you have to have death
00:44:59 ►
and earth and life,
00:44:59 ►
blah, blah, blah,
00:45:00 ►
and they’re going to go
00:45:01 ►
to heaven anyway,
00:45:02 ►
so…
00:45:02 ►
So,
00:45:04 ►
the trick is,
00:45:07 ►
I think now, every generation has its new language,
00:45:14 ►
its new way of thinking, its new music, its new style,
00:45:17 ►
and you can continue to jump from generation to generation.
00:45:23 ►
There’s no reason to feel that you’re trapped even by…
00:45:26 ►
You can move your…
00:45:27 ►
See, 3,000 years ago,
00:45:30 ►
they developed the theory of reincarnation
00:45:33 ►
because there was no place to go.
00:45:35 ►
If you were living in the Ganges, you know, Calcutta,
00:45:38 ►
you know, it would take…
00:45:39 ►
Where could you go?
00:45:41 ►
You know, it would take, like,
00:45:44 ►
three months to hike to… There was nothing there anyway. You’d probably get killed. So since there was no place to go, you were stuck and trapped there. Then they invented reincarnation, which is a clever thing. So you’ll come back the next time when you get to Delhi.
00:46:07 ►
I had a wonderful teacher in the Himalayas. His name was Sri Krishna Prem.
00:46:13 ►
And he said,
00:46:16 ►
You want to see the secret of the universe?
00:46:18 ►
I said, yes.
00:46:19 ►
He took me in his study.
00:46:21 ►
He pulled out a map of the world.
00:46:24 ►
And I said, what’s that? And he
00:46:25 ►
said, what do you think the Buddha would have said if he had seen that and known that you
00:46:33 ►
could fly from here to here in like six hours or eight hours? But the same thing is true time that you can jump time and it is also true that I’m I don’t want to be
00:46:49 ►
making fun of older people because and this is an absolute navigational fact
00:46:55 ►
you can only go as far into the future as you understand and really respect to
00:47:02 ►
love the past because function I, I think, as evolutionary
00:47:06 ►
agents is to bring everything and everyone from the past with us. And I have inside my body
00:47:15 ►
several trillion, no, not posting, I have several hundred million sperm and I have several hundred million sperm, and I have several trillion different forms of bacteria,
00:47:26 ►
and when I leave and go to a spaceship or to another, I’m bringing with me, I’m transporting, I’m like Noah!
00:47:34 ►
I’m like Noah’s Ark.
00:47:37 ►
So that we are…
00:47:40 ►
The greatest favor we can do as individuals to our species or to life itself is to evolve and become smarter and to migrate and go farther because we’re going to bring everything with us. into the future both in space and in time are probably selected by their gene pool.
00:48:07 ►
We’re experiments by gene pools.
00:48:09 ►
And as we look around this room,
00:48:11 ►
there are many different gene pools.
00:48:12 ►
And the DNA always works that way,
00:48:16 ►
with, you know, probabilities.
00:48:19 ►
And they throw some ahead.
00:48:20 ►
You know, all of us in this room,
00:48:21 ►
the great fact that we’re here
00:48:22 ►
studying self and self- studying so and so means
00:48:28 ►
that we are a trans part of our regime for pros for scouts and we have to give up certain things
00:48:37 ►
in order to do that we don’t have the solidity and it is more complicated and you make a fool of yourself and it’s a very valuable role no
00:48:49 ►
I want to take a break now and then migration and new geography where you are, determines who you are.
00:49:08 ►
And it’s almost a law in evolution that migration leads to mutation, and migration leads to
00:49:18 ►
an expansion or increase in intelligence. So that if you want to increase your intelligence,
00:49:29 ►
you should put a lot of mileage on your neurological equipment.
00:49:37 ►
Because every time you change and live in a different place,
00:49:41 ►
you’re doing an incredible number of things.
00:49:43 ►
Number one, you’re picking up the local bacteria, which is wonderful.
00:49:47 ►
You’re also picking up, of course, the new ways of adjusting, new languages, new, simply
00:49:55 ►
you’re adding, you’re increasing your intelligence.
00:49:59 ►
A butterfly from Canada will fly 5,000 miles, a monarch butterfly, to one tree in Guatemala or Central America. is to migrate to those places where there are people
00:50:25 ►
who specialize in the kind of intelligence
00:50:30 ►
that you want to master.
00:50:35 ►
And it’s very simple.
00:50:37 ►
We say now that the two most important numbers
00:50:41 ►
about any human being
00:50:42 ►
is the year you were born and your zip code.
00:50:49 ►
That’s the key to humanity. We must now look to the future. In the past, there was no future.
00:50:58 ►
The very idea of a future is very new. You couldn’t talk future to the Iatoma Palme.
00:51:05 ►
Maybe.
00:51:07 ►
You could not
00:51:09 ►
talk future to
00:51:10 ►
the
00:51:12 ►
Inquisition that burned
00:51:14 ►
Bruno on the stake.
00:51:16 ►
The very idea,
00:51:19 ►
the very word future
00:51:20 ►
is a revolutionary word.
00:51:23 ►
Like evolution and intelligence.
00:51:26 ►
Alright. Number one number one, drugs.
00:51:30 ►
I shall not talk about drugs in Germany.
00:51:39 ►
Except… There are many new drugs. Neurology is teaching us how the brain works. The brain has receptor
00:51:54 ►
sites for different drugs. There is a morphine receptor site. There is a Hoffman-LaRoche receptor site. There’s a Sandoz receptor site. They are discovering that there are hundreds of receptor sites for drugs that we are now discovering. drugs by human beings. Marijuana, Nessa, LSD,
00:52:27 ►
alcohol. It’s just beginning.
00:52:31 ►
Every month in America, and in Switzerland, and in Germany too, I think,
00:52:35 ►
there are new drugs that make people smarter,
00:52:39 ►
remember better, feel better, sense better, make love better.
00:52:43 ►
So there are many, many, many new growths.
00:52:47 ►
Also, in America, there are many scientists working on life extension.
00:52:54 ►
I talk to these men and read their manuscripts.
00:52:59 ►
They say within two to ten years there will be a kill, an inoculation
00:53:07 ►
that will double
00:53:09 ►
the human lifespan.
00:53:11 ►
No!
00:53:12 ►
No!
00:53:13 ►
No, says the old.
00:53:18 ►
They ask the American people,
00:53:19 ►
do you want to live 200 years more?
00:53:22 ►
No, my marriage will not stand it.
00:53:31 ►
Do you want to live 200 years more?
00:53:34 ►
No, I’m bored now with television.
00:53:38 ►
If you’re going to live a long time,
00:53:41 ►
you have to know how to become smart.
00:53:44 ►
If you know how to program your brain,
00:53:45 ►
boom, boom, boom,
00:53:48 ►
you can learn, change, grow,
00:53:49 ►
but you need more time.
00:53:51 ►
You need more time.
00:53:53 ►
We’re going to go into space,
00:53:54 ►
space migration. In 10 to 20 years,
00:53:57 ►
we could build all this out in space,
00:54:01 ►
cheaper than we do it down here,
00:54:04 ►
and better food.
00:54:13 ►
We are not
00:54:15 ►
little birds
00:54:17 ►
crawling along
00:54:18 ►
ice and barnacles
00:54:20 ►
on a ship, you know a ship that’s a partner? We are not little bugs holding onto this planet.
00:54:34 ►
Now, we have intelligence.
00:54:37 ►
The intelligence to get the escape velocity to leave.
00:54:42 ►
We’re going to leave the planet.
00:54:45 ►
There are many places to go.
00:54:47 ►
There are many people out there, right now,
00:54:49 ►
having conferences in other planets,
00:54:52 ►
thinking about coming to see us.
00:54:55 ►
The universe is filled with intelligence.
00:54:58 ►
The universe is an enormous field of energy intelligence.
00:55:04 ►
And we’re learning how to measure this.
00:55:08 ►
The key to evolution
00:55:10 ►
is the individual.
00:55:12 ►
The intelligent individual.
00:55:14 ►
The self.
00:55:16 ►
Finding the self within.
00:55:18 ►
As Chris Croyer said in the
00:55:20 ►
Frank Ferrer Ring,
00:55:21 ►
the forgotten divinity within.
00:55:24 ►
The key is within.. The keys within.
00:55:26 ►
The intelligence within.
00:55:28 ►
It is our job, as humanists,
00:55:30 ►
to tell our friends
00:55:33 ►
inside,
00:55:35 ►
inside the brain,
00:55:36 ►
inside DNA,
00:55:38 ►
is the key
00:55:39 ►
for human evolution.
00:55:43 ►
Thank you.
00:56:04 ►
You’re listening to The Psychedelic Salon where people are changing their lives one thought at a time.
00:56:09 ►
The key is within, so says the good Dr. Leary,
00:56:14 ►
and I happen to agree with him.
00:56:16 ►
However, he also said,
00:56:19 ►
don’t trust anyone born before 1946.
00:56:22 ►
Good advice.
00:56:24 ►
And by the way, I was born in 1942,
00:56:27 ►
and so I hope that you aren’t putting any stock in what I say.
00:56:32 ►
The fact is that I’ve, well, I’ve changed my mind.
00:56:35 ►
In fact, I’ve changed my entire worldview several times in my life.
00:56:39 ►
You know, if you knew me back 40 years ago,
00:56:42 ►
and we just now got back together,
00:56:44 ►
you’d be shocked at how much
00:56:45 ►
I’ve changed. So the possibility exists that even a decade from now, assuming I’m still alive and
00:56:52 ►
kicking, well, I might yet change once again. In fact, I’m thinking about jumping the old
00:56:59 ►
generational ship yet again and joining that wonderful generation born just after 1998 or so.
00:57:07 ►
And in case you didn’t guess, my oldest grandchild was born in 1999, and so I want to be sure
00:57:13 ►
to include all five of them in the next generation that I join.
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Anyhow, I hope you don’t think that my ideas are anything more than stepping stones to
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your own conclusions about what this world and this life is all about.
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About the only thing that I’ve come up with, about which my opinion has never changed,
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is that this life is really strange, but ever so interesting.
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And speaking of interesting, my dear friend Diana Slattery,
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And speaking of interesting, my dear friend Diana Slattery, an early benefactor of the salon to which she donated a huge cache of Terrence McKenna tapes, which I think now
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make up probably the largest portion of Terrence’s talks that I’ve podcast so far.
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Well, anyway, Diana has another interesting project that just kicked off, and here’s part
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of the announcement that she sent out the other day.
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interesting project that just kicked off and here’s part of the announcement that she sent out the other day. The Institute for the Encouragement of Outrageous Ideas is delighted
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to announce the launch of the Psychedelics and Language website created by Dr. Diana Slattery
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of the Department of Xenolinguistics. The website provides extensive information about the bizarre linguistic phenomena, alien
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scripts, morphing symbolic systems, glyphs of living language crawling on every
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surface of a multi-dimensional world encountered in altered states of
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consciousness. These new forms of language, glimpsed in the psychedelic
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sphere and the equally novel ideas about language they suggest, point to
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the co-evolution of language and consciousness, catalyzed by psychedelic medicines.
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Now, if that doesn’t get your attention, I don’t know what will.
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And if you know Diana, you recognize the fact that this is a very wise and experienced professional
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woman, and that these ideas, these outrageous ideas that many of us have had from time to time,
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can actually be studied, professionally studied.
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And this is no small matter, and I hope that you’ll follow the link to Diana’s new website
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that you’ll find in the program notes for this podcast,
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which, as you already know, you can get to via psychedelicsalon.us.
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Now, about next week.
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My plan is to play the next part of that Terence McKenna workshop that he led on Maui in 1994,
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which hasn’t before found its way to the net.
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However, I’ve run into a little snag and may have to skip that for a couple of weeks.
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I’ve run into a little snag and may have to skip that for a couple of weeks.
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But if I don’t get that particular McKenna talk out then,
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the program will feature the highlights of that first morning of the recent Esalen workshop that Bruce Dahmer and I led.
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And that segment is titled, A Deep Dive into the Mind of Terrence McKenna.
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So one way or another, our next guest here in the salon will be the spirit of the Bard McKenna. So one way or another, our next guest here in the salon will be the spirit of the bard McKenna. Until then, this is Lorenzo signing off from Cyberdellic Space. Be well, my friends.