649 - Shamans of the Global Village Episode 2

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Guest speakers: Niles Heckman and Rak Razam

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Date this lecture was recorded: April 6, 2020
Today’s podcast features an audio recording of last Monday evening’s live salon. Our guests were film makers Niles Heckman and Rak Razam who were with us to talk about the second film in their series “Shamans of the Global Village”. Rak Razam is one of the world’s leading ‘experiential’ journalists, and author of the critically acclaimed book Aya Awakenings: A Shamanic Odyssey and the companion volume of interviews, The Ayahuasca Sessions. Niles Heckmanis a filmmaker with a background working in high-end commercials, games cinematics, and multiple Academy Award-winning teams in Hollywood with New Line Cinema, Warner Brothers, 20th Century Fox, and Marvel Studios. In this episode, they take us on an in-depth journey into the ancient world of peyote cactus rituals.

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Greetings from Cyberdelic Space.

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This is Lorenzo, and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.

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And I have some good news for you. Of

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course, I’m sure that you’ve already heard the bad news. Black Rock City won’t be built

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in the Nevada desert this year. However, the Burning Man Festival has not been canceled.

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Instead, this year’s nine-day festival is going to take place online. This year Burning Man will be virtual and the good

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news is that there will be a psychedelic salon theme camp at the virtual burn and you are invited

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to join us. Now as for the details well there aren’t any right now actually other than the fact

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that it is going to happen but all of the planning for our theme camp will take place on our Discord server,

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and it’s free, and if you haven’t already joined us there,

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all you need to do is go to psychedelicsalon.com,

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click the Discord invite link near the top of the page,

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and you’ll then be able to join Discord if you haven’t already done so.

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You know, it’s free, and no credit card info is required,

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so go ahead and

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into the Psychedelic Salon’s Discord server, you’ll see a channel labeled Virtual Burning Man,

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and that’s where we’re going to be planning the details of our theme camp. If you’ve ever been

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involved in a theme camp before, you know that in the early days it gets

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kind of chaotic but we’ll get a plan eventually you know it seems to me that with fellow salonners

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all around the world we might be able to have some kind of a function hosted by our camp 24 by 7

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during the virtual burn so at least it’s something we ought to look into. Also, on our Discord server now,

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each week I post the connection information for the two live salons that I do on Mondays and Thursdays.

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And thanks to my supporters on Patreon,

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we have been able to open up these four live events each week

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to our personal friends and to everyone on the salon’s Discord server.

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So even if you can’t afford to be a patreon supporter

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well you can still attend these live salons each week and visit with some of your fellow salonners

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these salons by the way are held at 6 30 p.m first at on london time which is 10 30 in the

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morning here on the west coast then the second salon of each day is held at 6.30 p.m. Pacific Time.

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And I’m sorry about this, I still don’t have a good time set up for our friends in New Zealand, Australia, and Asia,

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but I’ll try to figure out somehow to connect with you guys as well.

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Now right now, I’m going to play a recording of last Monday’s Pacific Time Live Salon, where our guests were Niles Heckman and Rak Razam,

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who are the filmmakers behind the Shamans of the Global Village series. And if you were with us here in the salon back in June of 2017, you’ll remember when the two of them joined us here to

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talk about the first film in this series. And I’ll put a link to the trailer for this new film in the program notes for today’s

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podcast, which you’ll find at psychedelicsalon.com. So now let’s listen to a conversation with Niles

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and Rak that, along with a few of our fellow salonners, was held last Monday evening. And

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we’ll join them here a little bit after we started recording this session.

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join him here a little bit after we started recording this session.

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And this morning, a young man named Nikita came here. He’d come in a few times over the last couple of years with our live salons, and he lived in St. Petersburg, and he’s living out

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in the countryside now. But he had a really fascinating observation about Putin is he said that Putin has seemed to be kind of shocked because he’s been doing this strongman routine for so long that he he said that all of a sudden he’s releasing power to I don’t know if they call them states, provinces, whatever.

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But it’s much like what’s going on here where Trump doesn’t have a national policy

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and Putin is not coming out with one.

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He’s letting the different areas do it.

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And Nikita, he said that it’s kind of fascinating because people aren’t used to

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not having government control from the central powers.

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So there’s a lot of strangeness in the air, which I think we’ve got enough people here to get started that I can start with

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some strangeness going back thousands of years to the peyote plant and start

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talking about, about your, your video,

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which we’ll get to in a bit. And, and I have to say, I,

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I had no imagination. I had no idea the peyote

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harvest was like that you know i’d read about it and all but until you can see what you guys have

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documented uh with really high quality video i’m just i was just blown away but let me let me wind

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back a couple years and and you guys had just finished Shamans of the Global Village 1 and you know

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you were about to start rolling it out and how did you get that seen by people how did you raise the

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wherewithal to do the second one and give us the bring us up to date to how we got to the

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but how did you get from there to here because it couldn’t have been easy.

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Yeah do you want to talk about the initial rack and i’ll kind of segue into episode two after you do it’s it’s sort of like a condensed

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version of the portrait of the artist as a starving young man so we’re not getting any younger um you

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know the series is um what we believe that is part of our calling as documentary filmmakers and as

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people who are on our own spiritual paths to document the same really happened with episode one in that i didn’t really

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i did choose to make it with niles but it’s like it fell into our laps working with the uh

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the mexican shaman and the same with episode two is that there was a long time between episodes but

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essentially uh we thought about we have a plan for episodes of what we would like

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to film in different regions around the world and achieving a budget from that what we did

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accomplish with episode one was creating um a community around our documentary and around the

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issues that are important that we uh look at in shamans of the global village around earth

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medicines and shamanism and the theout, if you will, of these experiences

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and the necessity of reconnecting to the relationship with earth.

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So our community has grown in the many thousands

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on our mailing list.

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You know, we’re very grassroots.

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It’s pretty much, we said that it’s usually a shoestring budget,

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but this episode, episode two, was just the strings

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because there

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was no shoes it was like three thousand dollars and we were just sleeping on the dirt ground with

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the indigenous tribes for three four or five days whatever it was it was very grueling it was very

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uh trying uh to make but that’s how you do it that’s how you get in there and you become part of

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the community and you are allowed in to document it because they believe in who we are and what we’re doing.

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So we feel where all systems go. We want to do future episodes.

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And to do that,

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we really rely upon the goodwill of the community to support our,

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our series and to download or hire it or help promote it on their pages.

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Yeah. And each episode of this thing is a monumental task.

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It’s like a pilgrimage in itself. And like Rack said,

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it is a spiritual quest to do each episode to, you know,

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find synchronistically what,

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who we’re going to be featuring for the focus per episode,

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what region of the world we’ll be in, uh, the,

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the struggles and the trials and the tribulations of just making that,

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you know, actualizing that as a huge effort.

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Each episode is like making a feature documentary film,

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which is just a mass.

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You seem to have frozen there now.

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Can you maybe pause your video and see if that helps it a little bit?

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Sure. Oh, should I just stop video?

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Just stop video is all you have.

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Yeah, sure. There we go. So so um yeah did you get all that or

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should i repeat are we good it’s the last yeah okay i was just saying so the reason it took a

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few years to make a an episode the reason we had a few years between episodes is just because each

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episode is this monumental undertaking of making a feature documentary film in its own right

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and uh hopefully as we continue to actualize more episodes,

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they’ll happen more often than the band Tool makes an album, I like to say.

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But yeah, each one is very life-changing in making it.

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And it’s a huge process to do, but it’s extremely rewarding in many ways.

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And yes, we’re very proud of both episodes to date.

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Say, remind me of how the two of you guys first met and how, how,

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how the whole overall project came together. I mean,

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this is a life work for two of you and how,

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how did you guys come together to figure out you want to do this?

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I think essentially we met through the internet and our respective podcasts

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that we were doing and projects and reaching out as media makers around consciousness issues.

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But really, let’s cut the chase.

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It was Burning Man.

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What year was it, Niles?

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2014?

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You know, let’s just say there were initiations

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with doors of consciousness that were opened of perception.

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There was a trampoline, there was a starry night,

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and there was a few allies in that a starry night and there there was a few allies

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in that um you know what i love about niles is that he comes from a cinema cinematography

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background and working in film and doing post-production and rendering and he has this

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uh language of filmmaking or even of production within um programs so he’ll he’ll be in a consciousness elevated state and he’ll be looking at the

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polychromatic aberrations in the arc of the ring of light and using all this

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wonderful terminology that is so astute and so appropriate for helping to

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anchor in words some of the visionary experiences that can be perceived.

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So he has a deep shamanic

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ability there’s something very close in filmmaking to some aspects of shamanism or in the sense of

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capturing reality telling a story the storytelling i think it’s the storytelling aspect of shamanism

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which is often overlooked even in plant medicines that words are magic you know we’re casting a spell with our language and that

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um the the container we make within the ceremony of producing an episode is the ceremony of the

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film and what we’re bringing to to the audience i was going to comment on the fact how it’s it’s

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obvious the two of you share a psychedelic type of consciousness because of the way that

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these come together but what’s also beautiful is that the two of you have really a

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complimentary,

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but separate talents in the filmmaking world.

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And that,

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that you know,

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Niles has the thematic,

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the writing,

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the things,

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and you have the shamanic touch and the background there.

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And the two of you have jointly put a team together.

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I was going to, I was going to say abbott and costello or laura honardi the teams i know but i don’t mean it that way you two uh

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really have uh created some beautiful work together and and uh i think that uh speaks well

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for what i would call psychedelic consciousness because you know you have to have artistic differences I’m sure it’s it’s actually like we’re married and you know I found this in good

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partnerships I used to be in the advertising industry a few lifetimes ago and even in the

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countercultural art world making things it’s like there might be an art director there might be a

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talent but there’s a partnership with the the skills uh pooled together to be greater than the

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sum of the parts.

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And Niles and I often comment upon this,

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that we’re very comfortable and we understand each other

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and we have the right temperaments to work together.

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I think as we go over the years and our relationship deepens,

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it is sometimes a bit like a media version of an old married couple

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with its pros and cons.

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But together it does create the work and it’s that alchemical union and interestingly

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enough on this show what we’ve seen very organically develop is that as well as having a lead

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talent or uh focus as the character of the caretaker of the medicines who is the curandera

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or the shaman or the medicine man or woman and we do definitely want to feature more women as the series progresses. There’s also other roles and it’s like this configuration which happens

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in that there’s often a liaison or a helper or an apprentice

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or someone else who is also working with the medicine

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and in service to the path and they often become a character

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in the stories too.

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That happened in episode one and in episode two where there were people with the calling who were working with the the the main

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medicine person who become part of our crew and add to the crew as we go and the other members

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of the crew like we had the craziest synchronicities that’s why i i really understand that this isn’t

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just making media it’s making media about shamanic and consciousness and spiritual issues.

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But at the same time, it’s being guided by those streams as well.

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So we, we,

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our hire car broke down on the first day of shooting and like within three

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minutes, I get a phone call from like this other filmmaker,

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who’s in the area looking for the witch hole on their pilgrimage,

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who I met at Weeback, the World Buford Barriers Congress,

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six months before. And he was like, do you know where they are i go yeah we know where they are we’re going i go do you have room in your car he goes yeah i go do you still

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have your drone camera he goes yeah do you want to pull teams and we’ll do the footage together

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he goes yeah and we just continue like with a little hiccup along the way during mercury

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retrograde it was crazy but like that idea of the path and of being guided to make this media

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or supported to make this media has been very strong

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in each episode so far.

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So you started, both of you started to allude

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to selecting the next topic, how you do that.

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With such a wide range of available topics,

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I assume the locale is one, something you can get to relatively inexpensively.

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But how did you go about picking this as the subject for this particular second in your series?

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It’s interesting you say that because we have eyes on doing an episode about Iboga, Ibogaine in Africa, in Gabon, with the Buiti tribe, and that would be

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like a $50,000 episode to do. So because of the cost of that, it’s kind of pushed back later in

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the schedule. But one actual real way that things get done is based upon how cost effective they

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are. So we had numerous potentials that would, were going to land for the second episode as we

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had finished the first. And some of the things never kind of came to fruition. There were a few doorways that potentially were going to open,

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but then, you know, closed. And then, so here we are, you know, I think it was two years after the

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first episode. And then I got an interesting insight from a friend that was based out of

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Tijuana, Mexico, and his kind of fellow group of friends that are all essentially Mexican-Americans.

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They bounce between Tijuana

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and Los Angeles. And they were telling us about how one of their comrades has a very close

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relationship with the Maricame and of the Huchul people. So it just happened in a very short notice

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that they were doing their pilgrimage to Huayra Cuta, which is this holy land of peyote that they

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do annually. And the Huchul people have been doing this thing

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for thousands of years.

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So we got this insight, Lorenzo,

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like I think it was literally two weeks

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before it was actually going to occur.

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So we had to scrounge this thing together very quickly.

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And again, we got some, you know, pre-donations.

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Generally, it’s nice if you can survive

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off the actual sales of a final episode or film.

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It’s a little bit tough sometimes

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when you have to ask people for money cold

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without actually having made anything.

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But we did have some donations that kind of helped us pave our way.

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We had sales from the first episode that helped kind of, you know, allow us to, with just a very

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small skeleton crew, essentially Rack and myself and our friend Tom Askew, you know, we all kind of

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in very, because we’re such a little tiny crew, we can very quickly make things happen. So we hopped on board this offer that, you know, this gentleman provided to us.

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And it was pretty amazing to get such a special offer because it’s a very special thing to be invited on this pilgrimage.

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Right.

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Yeah. And that in its own right is just a deep, deep, you know, spiritual practice for people.

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And, you know, the tribe that’s been doing this for so long.

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And this group in Tijuana’s unique relationship and connection with it is how it actually came into fruition.

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So that’s how this show has to be made. The show could not be made with a traditional film crew, you know, with large sets and, you know, huge productions.

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It would always have to be an intimate thing, regardless of how many resources we have to make it.

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an intimate thing regardless of how many resources we have to make it so it’s it’s a beautiful blend of yes our skill sets but it also is not only a pilgrimage each time it’s also a learning

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experience and then it’s also the kind of the perfect like rack said alchemical cauldron to

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make it happen with our skill sets in a tiny tiny unit tiny cell but you know you guys go ahead i was going to say what one of the the not maybe seen by the

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public ramifications of the way we do things is that we are invited we’re basically invited with

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the first episode and the second episode to come into that that intimate situation of ceremony

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and not just ceremony which is the heart of showing the medicine, but everything that leads up to that container in that moment, which is episode three in peru with the san pedro cactus

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with a female practitioner who’s very uh integral in july and that may not happen now with travel

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bans and and so forth but in the pattern i’ve seen of the two episodes we’ve done in the future

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episodes there’s a willingness of um medicine people and also of Indigenous people because we want to portray people that are integral

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and obviously there can be changes in reputation

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and shamanism is a loaded field,

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especially when I say shamanism,

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I mean the Western interface

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with Indigenous caretakers of medicines

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and the money and the medicine dynamics

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and power dynamics and a lot of issues

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that we’ve faced in different aspects

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of our communities globally. But in general, I’m saying that there’s a willingness of Indigenous

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cultures to welcome media people in if they’re integral, if they’re showing what their message

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is. And that’s what hopefully we’ve captured, at least part of the message of Don Jose Ramirez

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and the witch hole and

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the relationship with Piotr and what’s behind that,

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that relationship with the planet.

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And the reason why plants and earth medicines are so important with all the

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issues of supply and demand and commodification,

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it’s still important that people connect through those portals with an,

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with a lineage,

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you know, with something that’s done with respect and in the right relationship, but has an opportunity

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to connect through the portals of earth medicines

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to the planet and to themselves, which is even more crucial

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in this day and age with coronavirus and separation

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and finding a vision for moving forwards.

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So I really applaud the indigenous peoples we have worked with

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and hope to work with in the future,

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that they feel it’s the time to bring their message out

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to the greater communities of the world.

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Well, what you just said, Rack,

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is something that many, many people in the world

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had felt for some time, but the word is spreading.

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And I’m embarrassed to admit this, but my last corporate job, I was in the marketing department, and I don’t think marketing is a very honest job, but I had a son to get through college, and it was a really expensive school, so I took the job. that crippled form there but uh you you two are in in such a beautiful spot right now from

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a number of perspectives number one is the knowledge that you’re preserving in your film

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is is really important to to get that message out not just in a book you know i’ve read some books

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about about some of these people some of these uh, but it’d be a chapter or something.

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But you took us along, and, you know, at one point I started saying,

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wow, this is going kind of slowly, and then I realized, well, that’s what that’s all about.

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It’s a very reverent spiritual, you know, mission.

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And that’s something that needs to be preserved, number one.

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Number two, you have two excellent examples you’ve done.

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Number three, you’re a very small group.

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So financially, you can do a lot of things on a lower budget.

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Number four, and I’m just now learning this because we set up this Discord server two and a half weeks ago. And there’s 300 people on it now.

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weeks ago, and there’s 300 people on it now, and a number of psychedelic societies around the country, and a couple in other countries are starting screenings on, you know, live stream

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screenings, where they’re raising funds for the people afterwards, they’re showing your video,

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and collecting funds, and they’re doing it all kinds of different ways, but all I’m trying to

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point out is there’s a real need right now for new information.

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You’re coming out and preserving some.

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And if I were you, I would set up some sort of a crowdfunding thing that had two projects.

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You get to the first level and you go to Peru and do thus and so.

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And the next level you go to Africa and do Iboga or something like that. You know, you guys have a lot more ideas about this, but you probably want two goals in the event that you kind of overshoot the first one.

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But then again, your budgets can be low enough and you need to put in some kind of reserves.

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You know, we might have to go on foot if there’s no airfare anymore.

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might have to go on foot if there’s no airfare anymore you know but you know i think that you can you can get a lot of exposure through the psychedelic community and and all of the

00:22:30 ►

interconnections that i’m seeing you know i get up in the morning uh and i’ve been off of the dw

00:22:36 ►

server for 10 hours and there’s 100 messages i’ve missed or you know in the post and stuff like that

00:22:41 ►

there’s a lot of one-on-one finding the others going on. And this is just the very tip of the iceberg that’s starting to happen with

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the shutdown that we have.

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People are being forced to look at other things.

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But, you know, we’re going to get sick and tired of just sitting around

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talking to one another after a while.

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We have to have some screenings of videos and stuff like that.

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And if you were going to do something like this,

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you’d have a trailer either at the beginning or the end of each video,

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maybe probably at the end saying, Hey,

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we’ve got two more projects and you could help us go to this crowdfunding

00:23:13 ►

site. It’s an opportunity you ought to think about at least,

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because you’re,

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I think you guys are in the right place at the right time and we really need

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you to do more of what you do.

00:23:24 ►

Join us, join our team. We need a marketing do more of what you do. Join us.

00:23:25 ►

Join our team.

00:23:26 ►

We need a marketing person.

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We’re two filmmakers.

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We’re the artists.

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We need a marketing arm.

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We really do.

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I’m serious.

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Any logistical support.

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One of the best ways that people can support is to promote us on their page.

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Yeah.

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I’ll put the word out that you need some promoters.

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You know, I’m a dusty old fart.

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I’m just really too old to get back in the game again. know it’s all i can do to do a few uh podcasts and live

00:23:49 ►

salons but uh yeah you you uh uh i know who we need to get a hold of a couple people that i’ll

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i’ll uh mention maybe somebody we’re planning for episode three before the world collapsed was um

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exactly that we did this with episode one one to offer for a certain price,

00:24:06 ►

like people come along on the shoot.

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So they’re getting a week’s worth of ceremony,

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hanging with the indigenous tribe, learning about the medicine.

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It’s like a retreat where we’re filming the documentary

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and to make that as one of the tiers of a donation,

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they could come on the shoot and support the shoot happening.

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So they’re all good ideas and we’re open to community.

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That’s all we have.

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You know, that’s a great idea for somebody to come along on the shoot,

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and you might want to set it up in a way that you could sponsor someone

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to come up.

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If you know a young person who’s interested in these medicines and all,

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and you’re a Silicon Valley millionaire,

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you could sponsor a young college student to go

00:24:46 ►

along with you or something like that too. Yeah. You know, it’s good to highlight, Lorenzo,

00:24:51 ►

and I appreciate you saying that, but it’s always so trying and difficult when you

00:24:55 ►

try and mix any sort of what could be argued as, you know, spiritual content with anything

00:25:00 ►

commercial. So there in a sense, you have two juxtaposed ends of two opposite ends of the coin that are so

00:25:07 ►

it’s always a delicate balance between trying to highlight something like I do

00:25:11 ►

in my work, which is make,

00:25:14 ►

having a background working in Hollywood and then kind of essentially high end

00:25:17 ►

game cinematics and, and commercials, you know,

00:25:21 ►

taking the content of what is just kind of this base chakra,

00:25:25 ►

low resonant corporate commercial content. And then instead of just doing that solely,

00:25:29 ►

use that skill set, the production values that you can make from that and make things that are

00:25:33 ►

more of esoteric or occult content. So all of my personal work tries to do that. And Shamans of the

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Global Village is certainly one aspect of that. And that way you’ve, when you, when you combine proper

00:25:46 ►

professional production values with content, that’s more perennial philosophy or deep spirituality,

00:25:51 ►

then you’ve got something that could be an element that lasts. And just like you do with

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your podcast, you know, when you’re playing in an old Robert Anton Wilson lecture or something,

00:26:00 ►

somebody can listen to that 50 years from now, and it’s still got legs and it’s still timeless.

00:26:04 ►

And it’s, it’s, it’s still timeless and it’s of excellence.

00:26:06 ►

It’s not going to just fade into the forgotten shadows of history.

00:26:10 ►

So one thing that this show does is having a video component to that and a professional

00:26:13 ►

one at that, even though it’s small budgets, we can still get a lot of good looking material

00:26:20 ►

out of it that has something to say.

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And just like you said, I mean, you’re the host of the Psychedelic Salon, and it’s so crucial to know about these ceremonies and to see footage of them.

00:26:29 ►

It’s like even folks like us haven’t even seen what an actual huchul ceremony looks like.

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So to get access to these tribes in a respectful way, and then also document what they’re doing

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in a very cinematic way is a treasure. And that’s part of the series that I think is a huge

00:26:43 ►

specialty. There’s been plenty of documentaries made on all sorts of entheogenic medicines. way is a treasure and that’s that’s part of the series that i think is a huge specialty there’s

00:26:45 ►

been plenty of documentaries made on all sorts of entheogenic medicines there’s been past

00:26:50 ►

documentaries on the huchul but of course we’re very proud of how this is uh doing exactly what

00:26:55 ►

i just said hopefully and um yeah we appreciate any support that anybody always can give because

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this is always a group you know it’s it what your your work is a really you know i think of it as a like an archaeological treasure for 50 people 50 100 years from now you know because a lot

00:27:10 ►

of this is going to be gone but the message that you have right now uh is so timely because the the

00:27:18 ►

world at large that has not had much uh occasion to look into what shamanism is. I think these are some uneducated people who

00:27:27 ►

are just doing drugs or something, you know, but we all know that psychedelic medicine, plant

00:27:33 ►

medicines, draw you to the earth, and if we ever have needed to have a connection, a deep connection

00:27:39 ►

with the planet earth, it’s right now. I know I make this metaphor. It sounds like a joke.

00:27:54 ►

Gaia told us that she had to go some errands to run. She said, okay, you kids be nice to each other and I’ll be back in a while. And she comes back a few millennia later and she says, my God,

00:27:59 ►

look at the mess you’ve made of this place. You guys go to your room, you’re all grounded until you can figure out a way to clean this thing up. Well, part of what your message is, is that these plant

00:28:11 ►

medicines are what bring us back into the earth, into the plants and the fabric of the earth.

00:28:18 ►

And I think the more that you can focus that in your, you know, promos and things like that about, you know, what do

00:28:26 ►

these people know who have been living in harmony with the earth for millennia? What do they know

00:28:32 ►

that we need to learn from them? That’s really kind of the message that I think you’re doing

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in a large part. Yeah. And, you know, we’re always aiming to highlight the proper indigenous context

00:28:42 ►

of the container of doing these medicines, right? Where it’s not like

00:28:45 ►

you’re just doing them in your kind of scuzzy Chicago apartment. You’re doing them with the

00:28:48 ►

lineage of the tribe, hopefully with somebody that’s studied with the tribe, is apprenticed

00:28:53 ►

with the elders, and, you know, has that long lineage of the pilgrimage, the experience,

00:28:59 ►

the ceremonies. And yeah, I mean, that in its own right is is a is an important thing to always try and

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capture and highlight and uh it’s in that right in that regard it’s uh the first two episodes i

00:29:13 ►

think have been pretty successful at that and we certainly continue to hope and hopefully lay that

00:29:17 ►

out well let’s let’s talk about this your episode a bit and then we’ll open up to questions from other people.

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But go ahead first, Rack.

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What were you going to say?

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I was just going to say if there’s a show of hands of people who have watched

00:29:31 ►

episode two or even one of Shamans of the Global Village.

00:29:35 ►

We can’t see most people’s cameras.

00:29:38 ►

Not too many.

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A few people.

00:29:40 ►

There’s three I’ve seen so far.

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But not everybody has their cameras on either

00:29:46 ►

uh you know what i’ll do you know what i’ll do lorenzo for those so for the folks that showed

00:29:52 ►

up here i’ll send you guys like a link for the next 24 hours where you can just watch it for

00:29:55 ►

free because it is something that we sell because of course it’s such it’s months and months and

00:29:59 ►

months of work to finalize an episode but that’s kind of the least i can do for people giving us

00:30:04 ►

this time the time this evening so that’s really nice of you and that way you guys then to pay them back

00:30:10 ►

when we uh do the podcast you can add your comments in the comment section and uh uh give it a little

00:30:15 ►

plug that way it gets up higher in the rankings so uh uh it’s it the the particularly by the end

00:30:22 ►

of the movie uh film’s just blew me away.

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I have never seen so much peyote in my life.

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It was just just awesome because, you know, how scarce it is.

00:30:32 ►

But let’s go ahead and start from the beginning and tell us about this film and then we’ll open up to questions from some of the rest of them.

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Well, maybe I’ll just give some context if people haven’t seen it.

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well maybe i’ll just yeah give some context if people haven’t seen it so i mean the show in general the intention and um the container that we create is to document uh the the usage of

00:30:54 ►

entheogenic medicines of plants and animal we had to stretch it to earth medicines because of the

00:30:59 ►

toad in episode one um but it’s not just focusing on the medicine it’s really focusing on the role of the practitioner or facilitator or medicine man or woman who is in indigenous sense usually considered a caretaker

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of that medicine in the the planet itself gaia as you have mentioned from the greek goddess of the

00:31:17 ►

earth or pachamama as i might say in uh in amazon basin um this sense of the planet is alive and she secretes these

00:31:27 ►

substances and when they are ingested by uh other other species including not just humans you know

00:31:34 ►

you may have seen some of those document those footage of like a jaguar in peru gnawing on

00:31:39 ►

ayahuasca vine or something like all animals like to get high essentially right it’s like they like to relieve

00:31:45 ►

this level of consciousness by going to an expanded consciousness and terence used to say

00:31:50 ►

that this is potentially and it wasn’t just terence it was bear owsley and it was uh heard i think as

00:31:55 ►

well one of the poets from the 60s that these substances that are essentially um could be

00:32:01 ►

considered exo pheromones or that there’s interspecies mediators and activators

00:32:06 ►

on a chemical level that they open up this connection to planetary intelligence and what

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we might say the web of life and that’s sort of what we say when we mean when we say gaia or

00:32:17 ►

pachamama or other western labels we might we might give it that there is this planetary

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intelligence that is so much bigger than us.

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We’re embedded within it, like one strand in the planetary biome,

00:32:29 ►

and that it actually secretes the modulating interfaces

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so that you can access a greater bandwidth of planetary intelligence.

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And we used to do this.

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And that, you know, the role of shamanism has kept the flame alive

00:32:44 ►

as the gatekeeper in their communities in an indigenous sense to, again, riffing off one of Terence’s old sayings, the planet has a plan involving the plants.

00:32:54 ►

It’s all in the etymology of the words.

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There’s an assembly line coming from Gaian consciousness to all of its species to remember, to plug back in.

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And essentially humans have spent the last 13,000 years or so

00:33:06 ►

having fallen out of that feedback loop with the planet.

00:33:09 ►

And so the idea of the show is to help us remember

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that these are not substances to be demonised.

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In fact, they’re revered in Indigenous cultures

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who are caretakers of them,

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and that there is now a movement in the West

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to engage with shamanism

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and to learn from Indigenous cultures and caretakers

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and that there are a whole generation or two of Western facilitators,

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neo-shamans, apprentices, neophytes,

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but they have a desire and a deep reverence

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and we’re all remembering and relearning.

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So that’s what the show is about.

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And the reason I give that introductory context is episode one with Octavio Reddick and the Bufalveres toad, he’s

00:33:53 ►

really a hybrid shaman. You know, he did train with indigenous cultures. This episode was

00:33:58 ►

very different. We were invited down by the Mexican crew who have been working with the Wicholes.

00:34:07 ►

And this is something which was a pilgrimage.

00:34:10 ►

It was a holy journey.

00:34:12 ►

And it wasn’t just, when we say the Wicholes,

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that’s a whole community in their thousands,

00:34:19 ►

almost tens of thousands.

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And there are many Marikame or medicine people from many

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representatives of

00:34:25 ►

many towns who go out looking for the peyote so we went with this one collection from their village

00:34:31 ►

with don jose and don jose is uh an elder he’s in his early 60s i think he was he’s been doing this

00:34:39 ►

since he was 10 it shows so much of the similarities similarities across the planet of the role of the medicine

00:34:45 ►

person, training from an early age, how they’re selected, and what they’re selected to do,

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not just to be caretakers of the medicine, but to then be interfaces for their community

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in engaging with the medicine.

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And in this episode, it’s very different from episode one in some senses, and maybe even from what I consider the Western shamanic sort of backpacking

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circuit, you know,

00:35:09 ►

the traveling curanderos or the localized communities of Western facilitators

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in that this is thousands of years old lineage and that this is a pilgrimage

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they go on to collect the medicine to last them all year long.

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And for the majority of

00:35:26 ►

the episode, this was what was so different. Don Jose didn’t speak a lot of English. So there was

00:35:30 ►

some logistical issues around getting the guts of information we wanted to the degree we usually

00:35:35 ►

like to get. But it created this openness in this space where then for three days of following him

00:35:41 ►

almost 24 seven, you know, morning and night, he would pray. He would pray to the water. He would pray to the land.

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He would pray to the clouds and the sky and the sun. He would sacralize.

00:35:53 ►

He would follow the ancient protocols of reverence and of giving the life

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energy back to the earth to purify enough to then approach the P.O.T. on the hunt.

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There’s an intimate journey to even get to the medicine.

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And that was very different than looking up for a ceremony on a Friday night

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or a weekend or even, you know, being part of a retreat and going as Westerners

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down to the jungle or somewhere to do the medicine.

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What we saw in this episode was the lineage of the Marikame

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and the traditions that he holds that help the spirit world interface

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with the human world and to keep his community together

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and to renew the sacred contract of prayer as part of the role

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of the shaman.

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And it really blew me away.

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It really reminded me of this importance, as I like to say,

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the ceremony of life

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never ends the same lessons we learn in a container of a earth medicine ceremony why do we think it

00:36:54 ►

stops the medicine might stop but the medicine is within and the protocols and what you learn

00:36:58 ►

of how to approach life how to engage with it are very much reinforced in this episode and through the example of the

00:37:05 ►

maricamas and the witch on wow that’s beautiful niles you want to add to that yeah i mean the

00:37:14 ►

and the dynamic of this episode is very ecologically based as rack highlighted you

00:37:18 ►

know it’s not just about the actual it is about the medicine it is about these doing it in the

00:37:24 ►

right ceremonial container

00:37:26 ►

for both healing and for the expansion of consciousness but this episode is very much

00:37:30 ►

highlighting the ritual practice of don jose during this pilgrimage you know he’s essentially

00:37:34 ►

doing magical rituals the whole time so the ceremony isn’t just yes like the final day it’s

00:37:39 ►

very much the whole process through the pilgrimage as rack said cleansing and clarifying because you, I mean, so much of this pilgrimage process is like a growing of a heart

00:37:49 ►

through the spirit of the place, the union with the land, you know, knowing that they’re not

00:37:53 ►

separate from land or separate from nature, but they’re actually embedded in it and part of it.

00:37:59 ►

And that’s why you, when we, in the two experiences that we have had filming indigenous peoples you know

00:38:05 ►

they’re beautiful peoples their spirit is beautiful they obviously have difficult lives i mean trying

00:38:10 ►

dynamics with the modern day of commerce and you know current our current form of kind of post-truth

00:38:16 ►

capitalism that doesn’t honor life for earth so there’s all these struggles that we see but we

00:38:21 ►

also see the beauty and the and the passion of the people. So it’s not only the people and the medicines, it’s also just the whole ecological angle as well.

00:38:29 ►

And that’s something that I think this is a beautiful thing to be able to highlight through

00:38:33 ►

the episodes. So it’s a multi-stage approach. You know, something, a feeling I got because I

00:38:38 ►

kind of lost track of, you know, what day or how long this was going on. But what it looked like is that through the course of it,

00:38:47 ►

it didn’t look like they felt you were a film crew or anything.

00:38:51 ►

You looked like just part of the gang.

00:38:53 ►

It was like you were taking home movies,

00:38:55 ►

the way they seemed to welcome you into the family, it looked like.

00:38:59 ►

Yeah.

00:38:59 ►

If I had a superhero power, Lorenzo, I’d just turn myself invisible

00:39:02 ►

so I could be this fly-on-the the wall documentarian, but it’s interesting.

00:39:06 ►

They’re pretty, they’re pretty comfortable with being photographed.

00:39:08 ►

And as somebody that tries to be very incognito,

00:39:11 ►

when you kneel down next to somebody doing a prayer and stick a big camera in

00:39:15 ►

their face, you know, they, they were really good about it.

00:39:18 ►

So I love is I love documentary film,

00:39:20 ►

just working with real people and documenting real life. And as we know,

00:39:23 ►

I mean,

00:39:23 ►

there’s so much magic and wonder and amazingness to the world and to what is really reality that sometimes, you know,

00:39:30 ►

fiction is not nearly as powerful as what’s actually happening right there in front of you.

00:39:36 ►

And as we know, I mean, there’s so many indigenous ceremonies that have been

00:39:40 ►

suppressed or wiped out. And to highlight some of these special, almost like, I don’t want to

00:39:45 ►

pretentiously say never before been filmed, but almost never before been captured on camera things

00:39:49 ►

is very, is very special. So like you said, you know, having not been so familiar with

00:39:55 ►

the Huchul people, this indigenous part of Mexico, the fact that they’ve been doing this pilgrimage

00:39:59 ►

to this sacred land of Huayra Cuda for thousands of years. And like most people have no idea what this looks like,

00:40:05 ►

what the experience is, how the peyote looks,

00:40:08 ►

how it’s harvested, how it’s, you know,

00:40:11 ►

the processes behind it.

00:40:12 ►

Same thing with the Sonoran desert toad

00:40:14 ►

that we highlighted in the first episode.

00:40:15 ►

It’s like people have no idea

00:40:16 ►

how the medicine is extracted.

00:40:19 ►

You know, people still think it’s licking toads,

00:40:22 ►

these types of things.

00:40:23 ►

So it’s great to highlight

00:40:24 ►

how it’s always been done through, these type of things. So it’s great to highlight how it’s

00:40:25 ►

always been done through time and show that on camera. And the two of you do it really,

00:40:32 ►

really well, as everybody will see here. I urge you all to watch this documentary while you have

00:40:39 ►

this chance, because it’s something you can tell your friends about, and that’ll help raise some

00:40:43 ►

money for these guys to do more of this. So how,

00:40:46 ►

how many days was this whole pilgrimage over? How long did it take?

00:40:53 ►

Yeah, it was three days. That was gnarly.

00:40:56 ►

I think it was like a week shoot that we’re away, but it was like, I mean,

00:41:01 ►

the thing is Don Jose was a very busy man and it man. And it’s like indigenous tribes on a mission.

00:41:07 ►

It’s like they’re like a thousand miles away and they had to get to, you know, where we started in the city.

00:41:14 ►

And then we had to find them.

00:41:15 ►

And it was sort of like Chinese whispers and grapevine and phone calls and waiting, a lot of waiting.

00:41:20 ►

And, you know, a day would go by and then all of a sudden, boom, it’s on.

00:41:22 ►

And then you go and then you’re going to catch up and there was probably about 50 people in the entourage of the whole

00:41:27 ►

community or maybe more in like one or two minivans and cars and then we would all like you

00:41:33 ►

know like collectively move from one spot to the other and there was just there was always something

00:41:40 ►

that had to be done like building a fire preparing a fire doing the cleansing doing the praying sacralizing the land so it was it was non-stop and it was just it was three days and it

00:41:52 ►

was it was like we did do um you can get it in in the download there’s a ten dollar version of the

00:41:58 ►

download of the film and an extra audio hour and then an extra audio um podcast we did talking

00:42:04 ►

about the making and in that we whinge a

00:42:06 ►

bit we like oh my god we’re always sleeping on the the desert floor with like just a sleeping bag for

00:42:12 ►

three nights and there was no coffee and we didn’t sleep and it was sleeping like two hours a night

00:42:16 ►

or something and and then you have to be on camera and it was the most challenging filmmaking

00:42:21 ►

uh environment i think i’ve ever been in and i I don’t want to do it as challenging again, but you know what?

00:42:27 ►

We probably will if we have to.

00:42:29 ►

Yeah.

00:42:30 ►

Yeah.

00:42:31 ►

And it’s a good point to highlight that this is a small,

00:42:33 ►

this is a small group of the witch hole people that we’re highlighting in this

00:42:36 ►

episode. And there’s,

00:42:37 ►

there’s thousands of witch hole and they all go on their annual pilgrimage.

00:42:40 ►

And to think about how difficult this was to do before the advent of having all

00:42:44 ►

of them hop in a van and drive on back roads through Mexico. I mean, this was to do before the advent of having all of them hop

00:42:45 ►

in a van and drive on back roads through Mexico. I mean, they used to do this by foot. So my

00:42:49 ►

contention is that this pilgrimage used to take them a very long time, Lorenzo, you know, it’d be

00:42:53 ►

multiple weeks to go gather the peyote. But the peyote itself is such an amazing little entity.

00:42:59 ►

It looks like this, you know, little amazing Frank Herbert dune sci-fi worm fractal thing.

00:43:04 ►

That’s just this amazing little cactus. It’s very small.

00:43:08 ►

It’s about the size of a muffin for those that don’t know.

00:43:10 ►

And it can grow in various clusters where it’s clustered together.

00:43:14 ►

But of course the primary component in the peyote is mescaline.

00:43:17 ►

And you don’t, when you’re actually looking for it in the, in Wairakuta,

00:43:20 ►

Wairakuta is not a very barren desert. It’s actually quite lush.

00:43:23 ►

It looks like you’re almost in this jungle desert.

00:43:26 ►

But it has a very special resonance to it when you’re there and you can see why it’s

00:43:29 ►

such a special sacred land.

00:43:31 ►

The peyote obviously does grow up into the United States, but Huéracuta is the central

00:43:35 ►

area of Mexico where they have been going to gather it.

00:43:39 ►

And when you actually see it, it’s very difficult to spot.

00:43:42 ►

It’s usually below ground. So there’s only

00:43:46 ►

this little feather that you can see protruding through the dirt. So they’ve become very good at

00:43:51 ►

spotting it and actually extracting it. And it’s very important to extract it in a very specific

00:43:57 ►

way where you don’t cut too much of the root off. This is all shown in the episode. But all these

00:44:01 ►

practices are important to know because of the sustainability around harvesting it and their practices of gathering the special medicine. But the experience

00:44:09 ►

of it is what we highlight as well in that audio that Rak mentions, because as we are very much

00:44:14 ►

like, like you mentioned, Lorenzo, part of very much a part of this is just being gonzo journalists.

00:44:19 ►

There’s a huge journalistic aspect to what we’re doing, making the show. So we do end up, of course,

00:44:23 ►

experiencing the medicine in the ritual context with the tribe and it’s very life-changingly beautiful to

00:44:28 ►

experience the medicine in that regard under the moon and the stars and the sacred land with the

00:44:33 ►

tribal people so so uh one thing i did want to point out that you know uh i’ve got friends that

00:44:40 ►

that grow up yeah out there have grown and you know i’ve seen them all individual ones

00:44:45 ►

in pots but had never seen a cluster before especially on a single root it was that was

00:44:51 ►

pretty awesome and also to be able to see the the safe way that they uh harvested it so they

00:44:57 ►

didn’t damage the root that was that was really important to see that i think i think that was a

00:45:01 ►

pretty special find because we could have probably gone out, you know, numerous years and never seen kind of a star cluster like that, that we did. So

00:45:08 ►

that was a pretty special capture on film there, wasn’t it? And for those that haven’t seen the

00:45:13 ►

episode, there’s a section towards the end where we actually show that what’s not called a peyote

00:45:17 ►

hunt to use the proper etymology. We’re not hunting for medicines. We’re searching for them.

00:45:22 ►

But on the peyote search, there’s this cluster. It’s like essentially a mound of what looks like,

00:45:26 ►

I don’t know how many think it is rack.

00:45:28 ►

It’s at least 50 peyote growing together and they kind of grow in this weird,

00:45:32 ►

in these bundles where it’s a single muffin and then you’ve got the main

00:45:35 ►

muffin and then these kind of side tertiary muffins.

00:45:38 ►

And this one mound probably has a cluster of about 50 of them.

00:45:41 ►

So it’s pretty special to see that.

00:45:43 ►

It’s worth the whole film just to see that. That’s something you’ll never see again in your life. I mean, it was awesome.

00:45:49 ►

Just blew me away. Yeah. And we appreciate your nice words, Lorenzo, because, you know,

00:45:54 ►

I remember seeing a lecture with John Anthony West, the Egyptologist recently, and he had a

00:45:58 ►

good point where he was talking about how, you know, that they were talking in front of a lecture

00:46:01 ►

hall. And for however many people, you know, give a shit about this, it seems like there’s thousands of other people that could care less.

00:46:07 ►

So we certainly appreciate your insights and your willingness to help just kind of share the element.

00:46:13 ►

Because Rack and I, as we highlighted, we’re so uncommercial that it’s something where you just have to let this type of material be known word of mouth.

00:46:21 ►

It’s like any good book or excellent podcast like yours, the only way people are going to find it is from references from word of mouth. It’s like any good book or excellent podcast like yours. The only way

00:46:25 ►

people are going to find it is from references from word of mouth. So we certainly appreciate

00:46:29 ►

that. That’s why most artists are starving is because, you know, they, they’re not,

00:46:34 ►

they don’t want to be salespeople, you know, and I don’t blame them, you know, that, uh,

00:46:37 ►

you want to get onto your next creation and, and, uh, hopefully, uh, hopefully we can keep this

00:46:42 ►

moving along. I think there’s so much going on now,

00:46:45 ►

all of a sudden, since we’re on pause,

00:46:47 ►

that it’s easier to communicate with people

00:46:49 ►

because they’re not spending the best days

00:46:51 ►

or hours of every day doing something

00:46:54 ►

for something they don’t want to do anyhow.

00:46:56 ►

So here-

00:46:57 ►

And you know, that’s the struggle of every artist

00:46:59 ►

through all of time, right?

00:47:00 ►

Like it’s like Michelangelo didn’t want to have to paint

00:47:02 ►

what the church commissioned him to paint.

00:47:04 ►

He wanted to do his own thing. So it’s like, right. It’s been like

00:47:06 ►

that for eons. I mean, he turned that job down quite a few times for the kind of forced to do

00:47:12 ►

it. So let’s open it up here. Does somebody else here have any questions? Go ahead, Evan.

00:47:20 ►

Oh, here’s a question. Are you still connected with the people you filmed? Any plans for following them and supporting them in any way? You know, this is a really great question because I originally reached out to Edgar, who is our connection to the tribe, and I asked him, you know, how can we share insights on what’s helpful for the tribe? dealing with their struggles financially, having to somewhat assimilate into the modern machine

00:47:45 ►

of commerce and capitalism. So I don’t have an initial answer on the sensitivities of just trying

00:47:52 ►

to, you know, throw money at indigenous people. But one thing that they are constantly struggling

00:47:56 ►

with is that there is a mining company that’s always trying to go into Wairakuta and do shady

00:48:01 ►

things to the land, specifically, you know, pollute the water and whatnot.

00:48:10 ►

And it’s not just physical problems with what that could entail with the natural landscape of Wirikuta, but also the energetics behind the ley lines of the land and the special energies

00:48:15 ►

of the properties of the soil and whatnot. So if there’s any way that we can help provide

00:48:21 ►

information on using a community to help speak out against that

00:48:27 ►

that certainly could be helpful for the for the witch hole and um i can continue to ask edgar if

00:48:32 ►

there’s ways that the tribe can be benefited by people that watch the episode that’s kind of my

00:48:36 ►

initial insight to give i mean the thing with this one i mean there’s a lot of um discussion in the

00:48:43 ►

larger essentially well western and

00:48:45 ►

indigenous shamanic communities around sustainability which is really necessary you know because

00:48:51 ►

these indigenous cultures have been the caretakers of the medicines and they are

00:48:57 ►

open to the west uh partaking of them and remembering and relearning the ways. And yet the relentless sort of plant medicine tourism maybe has created supply and demand

00:49:11 ►

issues where, you know, there’s been talk within ayahuasca communities of if you use

00:49:16 ►

one vine, plant one vine, some type of sustainability initiatives.

00:49:20 ►

And we’re seeing that drain of the depletion happening with all of the earth medicines.

00:49:26 ►

I mean, peyote has been, if not endangered,

00:49:30 ►

I think the key word I came across in my research was depleted,

00:49:34 ►

especially in America where it’s a different scenario

00:49:37 ►

with the Native American churches and, you know,

00:49:40 ►

where they’ve been growing peyote and maybe in even larger numbers.

00:49:43 ►

In the witch-hole traditions, they still have access throughout the original land areas of Mexico,

00:49:49 ►

the sacred spaces where the peyote originally grew and where it’s been replanted to grow.

00:49:56 ►

But it’s still a depleted resource.

00:49:58 ►

And I know that, you know, some of the maricames and Don Jose is one of them.

00:50:06 ►

of the maricames and don jose is one of them he is known on the international um arena as uh you know a medicine person who also serves to a wider western community not like every day it’s not his

00:50:12 ►

regular thing he he’s very much involved um in service to his local community but as part of

00:50:18 ►

that he does do outreach on an international level and has hosted ceremonies and traveled in a more Western interface of

00:50:26 ►

traveling medicine people. But they definitely need support moving forward and all the medicines

00:50:33 ►

do. So I think we need to find a way to make medicines sustainable and the usage of medicines

00:50:39 ►

sustainable while we’re remembering what it’s all about. I think that’s enough of an explanation.

00:50:45 ►

I mean, I appreciate your question

00:50:47 ►

and the shape that it’s trying to form in the imagination.

00:50:53 ►

I mean, I think our show is very much rooted

00:50:55 ►

in an understanding of not just indigenous shaman

00:50:59 ►

but the Western interface with it, you know,

00:51:01 ►

like people like Terence and Wade Davis

00:51:04 ►

and, you know, dozens and dozens of others

00:51:07 ►

who have come before us.

00:51:09 ►

And part of that cultural discourse has been that, you know,

00:51:13 ►

this idea of the archaic revival or this idea that these aren’t new,

00:51:19 ►

we’re not searching for new knowledge, we’re maybe searching

00:51:22 ►

for a new way, but it’s pretty likely that the new way

00:51:27 ►

is the old way or a retrofit of the old way or engaging with very old pathways both neurologically

00:51:34 ►

um you know and environmentally and in consciousness i mean nothing is new here but

00:51:41 ►

we need to have the new thing is the willingness of Western culture

00:51:45 ►

to go beyond what Western culture is, which is to a large degree, there’s many ways you

00:51:51 ►

could slice it up, but it’s distant from the earth.

00:51:54 ►

It’s separated from the earth.

00:51:55 ►

It’s a resource to draw upon.

00:51:57 ►

And in my opinion, it’s evincing a very dynamic and ingrained and indoctrinated species PTSD

00:52:05 ►

that is part of our psychological separation,

00:52:09 ►

the wounding, the original wounding of Western culture

00:52:11 ►

13,000 years ago in the Lower Dryad event that happened

00:52:14 ►

that almost wiped us out,

00:52:16 ►

that we’ve all been so separated from nature

00:52:18 ►

that there’s only certain pockets of humanity

00:52:22 ►

that have retained a relationship with the planet.

00:52:24 ►

So the old ways seem like they’ve survived into the modern era.

00:52:28 ►

And if the modern era is going to survive into the future,

00:52:33 ►

it needs to remember the old ways and make them work in a modern context.

00:52:38 ►

So that’s the new bit that I think you’re getting to,

00:52:41 ►

but I think it’s a marriage of the ancient and the futuristic.

00:52:46 ►

Well, yeah.

00:52:46 ►

And indigenous people have been such beautiful caretakers of,

00:52:50 ►

of timeless things that have worked, you know,

00:52:53 ►

in terms of living sustainably with Gaia and the ecosystem and cosmos and our

00:52:58 ►

environment.

00:52:59 ►

So there is an element of that that will always be consistent through all the

00:53:02 ►

episodes. And we don’t want to be, you know,

00:53:04 ►

white man coming in and culturally appropriating some indigenous tribe even though obviously

00:53:09 ►

there’s plenty of shamanic influence from the northern europeans and into siberia and whatnot

00:53:14 ►

it’s not like shamanism belongs only to exclusively to indigenous people it essentially belongs to

00:53:19 ►

everybody so i think that the interest in the show from a western perspective is people

00:53:24 ►

becoming interested in these old ancient ways, regardless of where they came from, that, you know, are everybody’s and were once everybody’s.

00:53:32 ►

And we’ve kind of forgotten who we are and where we’re where we’ve been and where we’re going.

00:53:36 ►

So as people do remember that legacy of a timeless way to live in harmony with nature and, you know, nature’s spirituality, nature’s spirit through these medicines.

00:53:46 ►

It’s like that,

00:53:47 ►

that will continue to be shown and highlighted through the series and always,

00:53:51 ►

always with deep,

00:53:52 ►

deep respect and appreciation and invitation from those communities that let

00:53:57 ►

us document them.

00:53:58 ►

I totally agree.

00:54:00 ►

And I think that that’s one of the key differentiators of this show and other

00:54:03 ►

documentaries that look at psychedelics or entheogens, that it’s a global village.

00:54:11 ►

And, you know, these the whole words and the whole focus is in very been very orchestrated of what we’re really looking at and what the themes are that are embedded in this is that everyone is indigenous

00:54:25 ►

to planet earth and this separation in the west that sees indigenous people on the land yes it’s

00:54:31 ►

true but also you know what was the old slogan in the 60s they had it was an anarchist saying it was

00:54:37 ►

like underneath the concrete the beach you know underneath the facade of the culture that we’ve

00:54:42 ►

built is still mother earth and she wants us back still Mother Earth. And she wants us back.

00:54:45 ►

She wants us to connect.

00:54:47 ►

She wants us to be in right relationship.

00:54:49 ►

We can make a globe civilization if we remember what we’re making it, not just on, but with,

00:54:56 ►

you know, in concert, in relationship with the Earth, sustainable and localized and empowering.

00:55:02 ►

And so these medicines can empower us they can connect us they can heal

00:55:07 ►

to some degree um the the disharmony in our beings when we’re out of balance in a connoisseur type of

00:55:15 ►

way a world out of balance um and this global village think of it it’s like in the olden days

00:55:22 ►

a village used to have let’s just say and this is archetype and it’s just pulled out of a hat here but if a one to 100 ratio of one medicine person

00:55:30 ►

looking after 100 people in a village and now we’ve got like 7 billion people there’s a certain

00:55:35 ►

ratio of nodal points and interfaces needed but essentially what it’s getting to is that everyone

00:55:42 ►

has this potential to reconnect everyone actually

00:55:45 ►

has a need whether they’re recognizing it or not i’m not saying everyone has to do psychoactive

00:55:50 ►

medicine but what i’m saying is underneath the the egoic structure of the species ptsd in the

00:55:57 ►

west specifically we have the ability to connect to ourselves and to the planet and i feel that

00:56:03 ►

all the medicines are saying after all the beautiful visions and the healing they give,

00:56:07 ►

it’s like, hey, humans, remember, you can do this too.

00:56:12 ►

You are the medicine.

00:56:13 ►

We’re all alive.

00:56:14 ►

We’re all divine.

00:56:15 ►

We’re all connected.

00:56:16 ►

We’re going to remind you of the way home,

00:56:19 ►

but you’re the one who has to walk that path.

00:56:22 ►

You can do this.

00:56:24 ►

And so this global village is really what

00:56:27 ►

it’s all about we are and we’re seeing this now the the incredibly unprecedented transformative

00:56:32 ►

pressures that are on us now we need the wisdom that is so ripe and ready within each of us and

00:56:40 ►

within indigenous cultures and within western cultures we just need to remember what’s really important and then to,

00:56:46 ►

to act on that moving forward.

00:56:48 ►

So in the global village,

00:56:50 ►

there are shamans and essentially we’re all medicine holders in the global,

00:56:54 ►

global village.

00:56:56 ►

If we accept that call,

00:56:58 ►

if we self initiate and if we work with the planet who wants to bring us

00:57:04 ►

home.

00:57:05 ►

And we are the medicine, you know.

00:57:07 ►

Exactly.

00:57:08 ►

And I think that’s a perfect segue into what I was thinking,

00:57:13 ►

to plant a little bee in your bonnets as far as going forward.

00:57:17 ►

One of the, first of all, the title of your series is absolutely perfect,

00:57:22 ►

Shamans of the Global Village, because never before in human

00:57:25 ►

history have we really had 90% of the people on pause thinking that, hey, this is a village.

00:57:31 ►

Countries are exchanging goods, for the most part. Even California sent some respirators to

00:57:39 ►

Trump. So there is some goodwill coming about here. But what I would like to hear is to add one other thread to your documentary of these people,

00:57:51 ►

is to ask them what advice they have for us because they know what’s going on too.

00:57:58 ►

And, you know, I’d like to know what they think about what’s going on.

00:58:01 ►

How can their culture lead our dissociated people back to the earth?

00:58:06 ►

What do they have that they can teach us? Rather than just say, you know, we understand for your

00:58:11 ►

culture, this is good. They’ve got something they can teach us. They’ve been living with the land

00:58:16 ►

for centuries, you know, millennia, and they’ve been revering it, you know, treating it properly,

00:58:23 ►

in spite of everything that’s happening with the

00:58:25 ►

mines going in, the clear cuts and all. So, you know, maybe you could help us get some information

00:58:32 ►

from them about what advice they have for how the West can rebuild culturally, which includes

00:58:39 ►

economics. But it’s just a thought. But I think that they do have a lot to teach us beyond just their ceremonies. They have a lot of wisdom. They haven’t been able to survive the Western culture coming in all these years without knowing a lot about what they’re doing.

00:58:56 ►

Hey, what are they mining?

00:58:58 ►

Good question. Yeah, I think it’s a silver mine.

00:59:01 ►

Yeah, I think it’s a silver mine.

00:59:02 ►

Yeah, silver.

00:59:05 ►

And it’s underground.

00:59:08 ►

And so the government’s made these concessions to international mining companies

00:59:10 ►

and they’re meant to be protecting the area.

00:59:12 ►

But there’s no way you can drain the artesian water supply

00:59:15 ►

underneath the holly of holliest lands in the desert

00:59:18 ►

and not have it affect the ecosystem

00:59:21 ►

and the POT and other creatures in that area and then there’s

00:59:26 ►

issues about runoff and pollution from that and so it’s crazy it’s like you know when what was it

00:59:31 ►

when the bastille burnt down and they they raised a billion dollars in two days to repair it and

00:59:36 ►

the the land you know for indigenous people they who understand the planet is alive it’s not it’s

00:59:42 ►

not just like a church you’ve built over there

00:59:45 ►

from dead trees. That is like a symbol. It’s a living organism. It’s alive and you can’t gut it.

00:59:52 ►

You can’t take things from it without affecting the whole web of life. And yet again, that’s what

00:59:58 ►

the historical Western paradigm sees and does. And that’s, that’s what we’re trying to heal.

01:00:05 ►

And, you know, human beings for all of our destruction and this, you know,

01:00:08 ►

pathological pursuit of profit that we’re many,

01:00:11 ►

many eons into like realizing is a bad idea by this point.

01:00:15 ►

We’re also such beautiful.

01:00:16 ►

We have such beautiful capabilities for stewardship and being stewards of the

01:00:20 ►

earth.

01:00:21 ►

So that’s something Lorenzo that I think is a consistent thing that they say

01:00:24 ►

is that obviously the commodification of the elements of earth, air, fire, and water will not

01:00:28 ►

last. And we’re starting to see, you know, we’ve been seeing that meltdown for a long time where

01:00:33 ►

we have just a staggeringly small amount of people that have so many resources while so many other

01:00:38 ►

people are just in this endless fight or flight or being redlined. Not to mention how anybody that

01:00:43 ►

tries to do anything creative, how much of a struggle that is. And this is a, you know, recognized version of trying to manifest

01:00:48 ►

some creativity and deal with the endless kind of struggles of that. But in the grand scheme of your

01:00:54 ►

first world problems, those are very small problems. You know, it’s not like we’re in some

01:00:58 ►

refugee ship drowning in the Mediterranean right now. So the fact that we even get a chance to do

01:01:03 ►

this show is a special thing. But at the same time,

01:01:05 ►

it’s like we see that indigenous people

01:01:07 ►

always will share that inside

01:01:09 ►

of like not commodifying the elements.

01:01:11 ►

It’s not like Nestle can sell us bottles

01:01:13 ►

of corporate water.

01:01:14 ►

To piggyback on what Lorenzo was saying,

01:01:18 ►

it might be something where you could add in

01:01:20 ►

like an interview,

01:01:22 ►

like related to like hearing it from those indigenous people

01:01:26 ►

could be like a mini series that leads to like the promotion of of these episodes you’re doing

01:01:33 ►

that might be like a way to maximize the amount of time you’re doing and get those messages out

01:01:40 ►

yeah yeah no it’s it’s a good idea. Cause it’s always nice to share extra content that we’ve had,

01:01:46 ►

especially when you’re interviewing some, you know,

01:01:48 ►

wise elder from a tribe and a lot of what they say doesn’t get put in the final

01:01:52 ►

edit. So a lot of that is great to add as extra stuff with this,

01:01:55 ►

with this shoot, it was so brutal and grueling that we had very little coverage.

01:01:59 ►

We basically used every nanite of footage.

01:02:02 ►

So we didn’t have a lot of coverage this time,

01:02:03 ►

but it’s good to do that type of thing of extra content, extra wisdom.

01:02:07 ►

And then even the music, you know,

01:02:09 ►

there’s such beautiful music that the indigenous people make that to add that

01:02:12 ►

music as extras is lovely because a lot of people really resonate with just

01:02:16 ►

natural, amazing indigenous music.

01:02:20 ►

And to put that in as extra juicy nuggets of special creation is good too.

01:02:25 ►

Special content.

01:02:26 ►

Right now,

01:02:26 ►

before I sign this thing off,

01:02:28 ►

Evan and Niles,

01:02:29 ►

you need to exchange email information because Niles,

01:02:32 ►

I think you found your marketing guy here.

01:02:34 ►

Yeah.

01:02:35 ►

That’s what I was going to say earlier.

01:02:38 ►

Rack,

01:02:39 ►

Rack gave me his email.

01:02:41 ►

I’m typing it up right now.

01:02:43 ►

Great.

01:02:43 ►

Yeah.

01:02:44 ►

Good. Yeah. If people haven’t seen the episode, gave me his email i’m typing it up right now great yeah great good yeah we’re off the ground

01:02:46 ►

if people haven’t seen the episode there is some very poignant bits where we do ask uh don jose

01:02:52 ►

about these times and this was last march in in 2019 uh but we asked him about sort of the

01:02:59 ►

ecological catastrophe and how that reflects on the the separation from the earth and Western culture

01:03:05 ►

and how specifically what he’s doing in terms of not just consuming peyote,

01:03:10 ►

but praying and sacralizing and using the interface of this earth medicine

01:03:14 ►

to reconnect, how that assists and helps the planet, you know,

01:03:20 ►

work with us and what the value of that is.

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So he does have a very powerful ecological message in relation to his plant

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medicine usage in the film as well. It is in there.

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Yeah. I, I, I remember seeing that in there and,

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and it’s one of the more important points. And, and I,

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my only suggestion was to in particularly in your marketing to focus focus on on how it’s an ecological message there

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and also in future ones to do exactly what evan is saying to get you know some pointed things you

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know we have had a major ecological problem it came in the form of a virus but it’s caused all

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kinds of ramifications and it’s going to be with us for years and uh everything that happened and and i

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think uh i think i don’t have to say anything more because evan has better ideas than i do

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and evan is also the name of my only grandson so i love the name respect respect yeah you guys could

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also always you know bring another video creator on board and they can handle those tedious extra things for you so absolutely

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two camera shoots always great so well it’s funny yeah it’s funny that said because we the last two

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episodes you know we had people help us that just came along as friends and of course they’re not

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professional crew but we get beautiful stuff just because of people that are willing to take part in

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something excellent so it’s it’s fun. We’re process-oriented.

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We’re not so much goal-oriented.

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Well, before we sign off here tonight,

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Rak and Niles will give you the last word here.

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Do you have any final messages you’d like to give in addition to what all words of wisdom

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you’ve already given us?

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We didn’t really talk much about the peyyote itself but it’s in the film and

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you know there’s a um some beautiful sort of sound bites of emotional truth that came through

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and for me you know what the peyote the difference with the plant allies and the spirits in the

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different medicines they can be very similar in terms of relaxing or lowering the default mode

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network and the sense of mind and very hard opening and that was definitely true with B.O. Day and it really felt like you know the

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the connection in the heart space was all about being welcome being welcome back into the song

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of the world for me and the understanding that it’s all vibration and it’s not separate vibration

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it’s all something that if we can just resensitize from this armoring and this shutting down we open up to not just

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visions but to this feeling of connection that is actually like an ongoing beautiful celestial

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orchestra that we’re part of that our energetic vibration is a note in the planetary Icaro. And that, you know, that is, that’s a beautiful belonging

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and a beautiful sense of rejoining.

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And that it also, it has a purpose.

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It has a meaning, that reconnection, that the song wants to be sung,

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that it wants us to connect and to join our voices to the planetary voice.

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And that there’s something very beautiful in that relationship.

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So I encourage us all to sing beautifully.

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Rack, you are one of my favorite poets.

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You probably don’t consider yourself a poet,

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but you truly are.

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The bard.

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Niles, do you have any final words of wisdom for us?

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I do.

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I mean, thank you so much for coming, everybody.

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I mean, we’re honored to have a nice group chat.

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I wasn’t expecting this many people here, but it’s delightful to see everybody.

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So we certainly appreciate that you show some interest in the series and that all I ask

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in just sharing it is that you just share the website.

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So in the sense of Rack’s beautiful wrap up there, We just say thank many thanks and y’all home.

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So until,

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until next time,

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everybody,

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Hey,

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keep the old faith and stay high.

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And for now,

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this is Lorenzo signing off from cyberdelic space.

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Namaste,

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my friends. Thank you.

⚗️ alembic

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