Program Notes
Guest speaker: Timothy Leary
[NOTE: All quotations are by Timothy Leary.]
“The way we define intelligence is the amount of information energy you can receive, that you can store and retrieve, and that you can transmit.”
“It’s very intelligent to be able to live as long as you want to. It’s stupid to die.”
“It’s obvious that the blocks to evolution are anything that keeps you from changing, or discourages you from changing. And almost all the religions tell you, ‘Don’t change.‘”
“There are no bad drugs. There’s simply stupid people who don’t know how to use them.”
“Drop out means to drop out of any line of conformity to any system.”
“Now I’m telling people to Turn on, Tune in, and Take Over.”
“Wherever you have the big religions, or the big totalitarian forces, they hide the body. They make you feel ashamed of the body.”
“It’s hard to have to figure out what do I really feel that I want. It’s much harder to be yourself than to be a conforming person.”
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Transcript
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Greetings from cyberdelic space.
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This is Lorenzo, and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.
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This is Lorenzo and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.
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And I’d like to begin by thanking our fellow salonners who either bought a copy of one of my books or who made a direct donation to the salon recently.
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I think that I’ve contacted you all via email by now to thank you.
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And Corey and Michael, I’ll be getting a snail mail thank you out to you as soon as I get back from this weekend’s trip to Esalen.
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And to the donor who felt bad about only sending 5 from my roommate in order to make a donation.
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So I understand what that amount can mean.
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And just to let you know, your donation was just what I needed to get over the hump this
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month that kept me from having to tap into my savings to pay this month’s hosting bill. You know, in this
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day and age, every little bit helps, and you have done your part to keep these podcasts
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rolling along. All of you have, so thank you all very much.
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Also, I want to thank someone who goes by the handle kcycloid, who is the very first person to review my novel,
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The Genesis Generation, on Amazon.
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And while that book has been out in audio format since 2009
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and on Kindle for a while now,
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until now there have been no customer reviews,
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and so this was a very big deal for me.
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You see, many of the authors that I know
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get all of their friends to write reviews,
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and that, of course, does a lot to drive up sales. But since I haven’t done that, there haven’t been any
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reviews of my books on Amazon so far. And ultimately, it’s those online reviews that drive up sales. So
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K-Psychloid, I humbly thank you ever so much for your kind words, which I actually found overly
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generous, but I’ll gladly take your compliments anyway.
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Now let’s get on with today’s program, which is another recording from the Timothy Leary Archive.
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The recording of this talk was given to me by Bruce Dahmer and initially came from Dennis Berry, who at the time was the custodian of the Leary Archive, and I thank you both for passing it on to me.
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the custodian of the Leary Archive, and I thank you both for passing it on to me.
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Now, that file had the following annotation associated with it, and I quote,
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Timothy Leary, Band 2-A, Humor, John Lilly, Hands-On, Turn-On, Drop-Out, and Take-Over,
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Plus, Band 2B, Stage 12, Body Management, Self-Reliance, Purpose of Life, Tape 2 of 4.
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And that’s all I knew about it until I previewed it.
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By the way, there was no Tape 1 of 4 that I can find.
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But after listening to this tape, I’m relatively sure that it is a recording of a small, maybe even private, salon with Dr. Timothy Leary
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that was held in someone’s house somewhere in Germany in 1983 or so.
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It begins with an evening talk that abruptly cuts off after about 25 minutes
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and then picks up on the following morning.
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And you’ll be sure to know when that cut takes place
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because the morning session begins with the sounds of both a baby and a bird in the
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background. Eventually the baby quieted down, but that damn bird squawked off and on for quite a
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while. However, I was able to delete most of the bird noises whenever they didn’t come at the same
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time he was talking. My guess is that this was a very small crowd, and that may be why the good
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doctor doesn’t seem as enlivened as we’ve heard him in the past.
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In fact, throughout this first tape, he had some really long pauses between many of his thoughts,
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and I’ve done my best to cut those out too in order to make it a little easier to listen to.
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Now, while this may not be the greatest lecture that Timothy Leary ever gave,
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there are quite a few interesting little gems here that I hadn’t heard him say before. And I also
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think that it’s really kind of interesting to hear him in such a small
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intimate setting, which is the way that some of our fellow salonners got to know
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him during the last decade or so of his life in very small groups. So from a
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number of perspectives I think that this will be of interest to you.
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But you’ll have to be the judge of that yourself.
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I think you can only go as far out
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as you have mastered the lower forms of intelligence.
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So that if I didn’t learn to speak and think logically,
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then I wouldn’t be able to understand the higher levels
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but same with the body in 1960s eight million American people took LSD which is a
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brain drug and a lot of them were not in touch with their bodies they did not have
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confidence sexually but didn’t like the way their bodies looked so they didn’t know how to
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move their bodies.
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So when they take LSD,
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they look back and they wouldn’t like their bodies.
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So you have to have
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body intelligence
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before you can go on. You really must.
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And that’s why the workshops here
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and the dance and the yoga
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and the Dan Halperin
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and the Feldenkrais
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is good. Because you have to master each level.
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You have to know how to…
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You have to know ABC and 2468 before you can use computers.
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Well, I think that the universe as we can imagine it now,
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galaxies and universes and black holes and the constellations and
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star systems and planets and earth and then the planet earth and biology and all that.
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It’s an enormous field of intelligence units. I think everything,
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sunlight, starlight,
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comes in packages of information and it’s intelligence.
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Everything is
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intelligence,
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energy intelligence,
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and it comes in different packages.
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Einstein says,
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everything is energy,
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and to me energy is intelligence,
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if you know how to receive it so that the matter and everything is that energy at
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different levels of acceleration
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yes and these and these levels of intelligence are little clusters of the overall.
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And an amoeba has its own universe, and then as we evolve, we get to be able to receive more.
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The way we define intelligence is the amount of information, energy now can receive information from galaxies
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or hundreds of light billions light years away
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we can measure nuclear particles in the lunar accelerator that are going to exist
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sometimes a millionth of a second we can measure those. So we’re becoming smarter because we’re getting information from the smallest, quickest,
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to this information that’s coming over the billions of light years.
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And we are being able to store and use this information, but to transmit it,
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because we can make nuclear nuclear fusion
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is making a star we’re almost the one thing that you know is where gravity when we learn
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how gravity works we can literally make galaxies we can make black holes so that that’s transmitting
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because it doesn’t do much good you can receive and understand unless you can do something with it. And intelligence to me is the…and also intelligence, you’re continually open to new ways of receiving
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and then that has to change your models of programming and reception so you can improve
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your transmission.
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And space migration is just one step in that direction.
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We’re sending out signals to other
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stars and stuff.
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How many things?
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What were, if you don’t mind telling us,
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what were the
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three key things
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in your life, either experiences
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or
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what you call revelations
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or that sort of determines the
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grounds or your epistemologies? Well I can’t say my life, I’ve lived a long long time.
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All right cool. I thought about the last year, Three things the last year that totally changed my mind?
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Yeah.
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One is computers.
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Computers and video games have totally changed
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double my intelligence.
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The second thing is
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a drug called ketamine,
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which John Lely does.
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Oh, that’s great.
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Yeah.
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Totally, now for the first time
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I understand
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other body experiences and I really understand, yeah.
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And my third, life extension pills. I take life extension pills and rejuvenation pills and so forth so that these have, I think,‘ve great hope.
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Also, personally,
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they’ve changed me.
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Can you repeat the name of the guy?
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The drug.
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The drug.
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Kennedy, by the way, the drug. Yeah.
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The drug guy, which is
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a man named John Lilly, who’s coming next year.
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If you can get him.
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He’s coming.
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Well, yeah.
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He may be here, but not here.
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Anyway, he’s definitely out of the car.
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There’s a man named John Lilly.
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John Lilly is one of the greatest, I think,
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philosophers, scientists that I’ve ever known. He was one of the first scientists to really studied communication with other species.
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And so he did all the dolphin research.
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And he says, no question, if people came from another planet and said,
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what single human being has tried to get beyond the human to communicate and listen to other species John Lilly is almost by himself
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some of the ethologists Murray and Lorenz and some of the naturalists have done that
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Lilly is very special John Lilly has developed the first theory of the brain as a computer called
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the biocomputer and he has just opened up that whole new way of looking at the
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brain and new way of looking at LSD and I think you cannot understand LSD unless you
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understand Lilly’s theory that the brain is computers reprogramming and metaprogramming the brain. That’s, those are three very big discoveries.
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Four, he discovered, or he introduced the isolation tank, which is very useful.
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I don’t like it myself, but it’s a very useful technique.
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This is a very useful technique.
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Five,
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well, five, he’s using computers to talk to dolphins,
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and he’s taking dolphins’ signals
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and putting them in the computer.
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And then six,
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he has taken this new drug called ketamine.
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Ketamine is a drug that takes you,
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I’ll get to that tomorrow
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when we get to the higher levels of intelligence, it takes you out of your body and you really are in your brain and beyond. And he has gone just so far, far out of the many human beings that have been. And you can still come down and talk about it. But he’s a little hard hard because it’s very boring for him down here.
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He came into one of the seminars, I gave an estimate about a month ago. He came in one night and just, he had taken this drug, you speak, not in a way, but just to hear.
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He came into my seminar, and he sat there, and Stanislav Brock was there, and I was there,
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and some of our friends, and he felt that he was with a group of people that could understand him.
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And so he really, for two hours later, they were going to tape, videotape.
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He talked, he was way out there on the ketamine, and he was talking about,
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and he said, now he said that, I don’t say that, he said,
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shoot up or shut up.
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Anyway, John Lilly again. All right.
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And that’s nice.
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Lilly’s teaching is one thing I learned last year,
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and computers and video games, which is very important, I think.
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And life extension.
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I have several friends in America who are scientists
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who study life extension and stopping the aging process
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there within right there within two to five ten years of discovery how to stop the aging process through immunology, antigens, and DNA repair.
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And they’re even the number one or number two bestseller book in America right now.
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It’s called Life Extension.
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It’s by a man named Dirk Princeton and his wife, Sandy Shaw.
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So there’s a large group of scientists in America who are studying life extension.
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And we’ll get into that tomorrow when we get into higher levels.
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It’s very intelligent to be able to
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live as long as you want to.
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It’s stupid to die.
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So we’ll get into that tomorrow.
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Can I say something?
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What are the adverse forces
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of evolution in your view?
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Forces?
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It’s obvious that the blocks to evolution
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are anything that keeps you from changing
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or discourages you from changing.
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And almost all other religions tell you,
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don’t change
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pray and then you’re worthless you’re helpless you’re uh you just live for 70 years on like a little bug on planet you know going with us so the only thing you can do pray i think religion and the political systems and
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scientific systems that uh that say everything it’s anything that keeps you from changing
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and anything that keeps the individual from loving themselves and worshiping themselves and going
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again and trusting themselves anything that keeps people from being courageous about change is a block to evolution and we all have we all have these
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boxes too so that uh not just them out there it’s in us as well you cannot generalize about drugs
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you have to take every individual where they are and
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you have to take every individual where they are and
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there is a
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the number one book in America
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last year
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was called
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it’s about this
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lady in England
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who trains dogs
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Barbara Woodhouse
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in Germany
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and her book is titled,
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There Are No Bad Dogs. They’re only stupid or neurotic owners. And I say the same thing
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about drugs. There are no bad drugs. There are simply stupid people who don’t know how to use them. Stupidity is the cause of all dangers,
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whether it’s a gun or an automobile
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or even a ballot to vote.
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Anything can be, reading and writing,
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anything can be dangerous.
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But we’ll get into that.
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I’m going to talk about drugs tomorrow.
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Can I say something?
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You are happy?
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Happy?
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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I am too.
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Yeah.
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Good.
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Thank you.
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Coming to Germany is very interesting for me.
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It’s hard because I’m moving from city to city, I’m a little tired. I’m a little sad about Europe.
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So I’m a little… I’m not happy because I love Europe. I come from Europe and I think that Europe is very sad right now.
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More so I think. So I’m not really happy but it’s good. I feel good.
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I think it’s a pessimism among young people in Europe. Not all, I know I may be wrong, it’s just, you know, happy, sad, and subjective, but I’ve met a lot of young people
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in Europe, and I’ve seen
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that they don’t
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feel hope, or they don’t feel
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positive, or they don’t,
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and they’re using old ways of thinking,
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pigeonholes, and
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politics, too. I mean,
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politics is so,
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seems to be so important in Europe, and
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in America.
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Most intelligent people, politics is nothing.
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We expect there’ll be some better politics, but I guess you know what I mean.
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Well, I keep changing Rwanda as we go along.
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Well, I keep changing Rwanda as we go along. For example, in 1960 we were saying, turn on, tune in, and drop out. Turn out means go within. Everybody said that sign.
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Tune in means then make something beautiful, and drop out man not just or not even like this looking at your name book
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dropout means to drop out of any blind conformity to any system whether it’s
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your religion or your so that you drop out because it’s a lot harder to live as a dropout than it is going along.
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It’s easy, yeah.
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But now I’m telling you people, turn on, tune in, and take over.
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Now they’re old enough to try to get them to do it.
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There’s so many of them.
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There’s many of them.
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No, the last bumper sticker I had it was,
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they actually put it on cars.
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It was wonderful.
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It was,
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intelligence
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is the ultimate
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aphrodisiac.
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How do you drive them along?
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Is that
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something to hop on.
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Yes, I believe that there’s an enormous range of predeterminants.
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Like, you take a seed of a oak tree.
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A little seed is predetermined that’s going to grow up,
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you know,
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or you take your sperm into zoa.
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I mean, I won’t,
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but it’s predetermined
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that that will go through.
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So I think that, yes,
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we’re predetermined
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space migration.
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We’re predetermined
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to leave the planet.
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It’s predetermined
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that we will live
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for hundreds and hundreds
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and thousands of years.
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It’s just, so that, I think it’s predetermined that we will live for hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years.
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So I think it’s predetermined that we will master higher levels of intelligence that are beyond life.
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You met a, you know, probably from other, I think he’s a predetermined.
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But then we say, what’s the beginning, or where does it end?
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I feel that as we get smarter we will
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maybe we’ll learn at the end that it’s just all
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game like Buddhists say and why bother? I don’t know.
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But I have many arguments with my
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friends who are Buddhists, very intelligent
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Buddhists, like Allen Ginsberg
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and they say, well why bother?
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I mean, sure, you can live
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for a thousand years
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and you can have an eruption for
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a thousand hours
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and you probably have an eruption for a thousand hours,
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and you probably won’t find in outer space other species from other galaxies.
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They’re more intelligent, sure, and do all that, but it’s still all void.
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Because it’s true that, you know, even the atoms, they’re void.
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So you also come around to what Buddha said and even like it.
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And I say, no, that’s laziness.
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Because I think that if Buddha were alive today,
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she would be a geneticist
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or she would be a computer expert.
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Because we are, we are growing
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and we are expanding and we are and I do feel
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that in spite of
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the newspaper I think there are more
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and more wonderful intelligence
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to human beings around the planet
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so that I think there’s still hope
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to get smarter
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I’m not going to say where it began
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maybe it was Jehovah
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when we get there maybe it’s all
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meaningless but I think there’s so much room
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to grow that
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and I think it’s
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it’s silly
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to ask a question
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or to answer a question before you
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get to that level
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like you said three year old baby
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will say
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honey what is sex
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well
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what is sex? Well,
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what is life? Ice cream?
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Well,
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it’s like, it’s like, you know,
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playing with
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the wood in your hand.
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And I think many philosophers
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and religious leaders are saying
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the end, the end, the ultimate,
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when I think we have to take these steps
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that will lead us to get smarter so that we can say
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what is the end or what is the beginning.
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I would like to ask you a question.
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My problem, or one of my problems with the New Age stuff
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or seeing it that it’s confusing.
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It’s really confusing
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because there are so many authors
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that you could spend many lifetimes
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just to taste them all.
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And I would like to know your prescription
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to deal with that confusion.
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Number one,
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get a lot of extension, Joe.
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Number two, I do believe that each of us, we’re made differently, and we have, in sociobiology, there are two kinds of wiring or casts.
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In the insect hive, there are the warrior ants,
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and there are the worker ants,
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and there are the ants that dig down against water,
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and there’s cleaning on them.
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There’s a division of labor.
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So I think that at this level,
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we have different kind of brains
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that are geared
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some of us can do
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things much better than others
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for example
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I think that the humans
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new age movement
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present time is too body oriented
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and
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naturally the people that are
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wired to be good at that
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naturally they can teach that
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but I don’t think everyone should have to be able to do yoga
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as well as, or be able to dance as well as Van Halen
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or anything like that
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you must learn enough of it
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but then go on to another level
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and at some stage you’ll find a particular stage
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that you’re really best at
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and then you can master that and keep that,
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but I think you have to learn all of them and feel comfortable in all of them.
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But if you learn one body motion, and you learn Tai Chi,
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then you don’t have to learn three years of Sufi Nervous,
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and then you have five years of Southern Christ,
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and then nine years of deep body massage,
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and then 12 years standing on your finger.
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Although some people, yes.
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Yeah, if you’re really…
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I think you feel comfortable at every stage,
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like swimming.
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I just want to be able to swim,
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but you don’t want to be, you know,
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spend eight hours a day being an Olympic champion.
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That’s something to do.
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But to really know yourself, you have to open yourself up.
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And maybe, I think that for many of us,
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our real stage is ahead of us.
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You know, we haven’t come to it yet,
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but it’s good to master the other early stages.
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For example, there are some people,
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one of my level of intelligence,
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has a tremendously wonderful level of intelligence, is to be a good parent.
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Now, I think parenthood is good for everyone to go through.
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My theory of evolution is that you should try to be good at every level, but you can’t master every level.
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And you must be very modest about it.
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See, I’m not a very good parent
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at certain levels, at certain ages I am
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others I’m not
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but I think there are some people like teachers
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or people that work with children
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and child therapists
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and they’re just
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wonderful, important
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perhaps the most important
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division of labor
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and then a lot of people feel
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guilty because you’re not a perfect parent
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I’m giving you around your own answers
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Could you tell something about the sources you are drawing your conviction or knowledge from, for instance, in the case of the predetermination we were talking about before,
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where are you
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getting this knowledge from?
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Oh, well,
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everywhere.
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I read
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three or four newspapers a day.
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I read a lot of magazines,
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science magazines. I scan
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television. I talk to intelligent people.
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I’ll give you one example
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because I’m prepared for tomorrow
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when we get into genetics
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and biological intelligence.
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I think someone answered that.
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In Hollywood,
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we have a little problem in the hills
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with coyotes.
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You know coyotes are like little wolves, little bucks.
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Coyotes are so smart.
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Because we got rid of the buffalo, we got rid of the deer, we got rid of
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the wolves, we got rid of the bears.
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These coyotes, they can come and get your garbage.
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They just live up there and they watch
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and they try to track them that they don’t poison.
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But still, because they’re building up more houses
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and the coyote population is getting lower.
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And they say, ah, good.
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Only just one coyote came down and bit a little girl.
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Oh, and of course, anything that hurts the babies.
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We’ve got to kill all the coyotes.
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But then they discover something terrible.
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The few coyotes that were left,
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instead of having two babies,
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the mothers were having four to six babies.
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Instead of having one boy and one girl, they were having four to six babies. Instead of having one boy and one girl,
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they were having four out of six girl coyotes.
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And that means the coyote gene pool
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was multiplying its population by about ten,
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because one, each female can then have six,
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and then another, you know.
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So, I’m going to talk today about twelve stages of evolution, or twelve kinds of intelligence, which have future to most human beings.
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We’re talking about twelve stages to come for our species and for every individual.
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Although most of you in this room have gone into many of these future stages. From India, 4,000 years ago, where the first yogis used Soma and wrote the Vedas, to Athens, where Socrates and the Lucidian mysteries went down underground and used some sort of plant to produce trances or visions,
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to 1970s and 1980s and saw it on a Stern at this conference. The first big step
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in activating your self, your neurotechnology
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is the discovery of the body.
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And from
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India and from Persia, from the Berbers
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and from the Greeks at the time of the Hellenistic
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period to Southern Christ and I come home to you. The first step in the discovery and
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the evolution of the self is you have to say, this is my body. In the Catholic of the self is not my body the Catholic and that’s the kick
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s corpus mea right this is my body the resurrection of I got to say my body is
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not an instrument of the state or of the Communist Party or of the Catholic Party or the church, whatever. My body is my own. This is a tremendous step
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of independence and a big step in intelligence. And in the Western world, America and Canada
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and Western Europe, in the last 20 years there has been an incredible revolution.
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A hundred years ago in Freudian Vienna or in Victorian England the body was the
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big taboo because the body is the key to being self.
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And everywhere, the religions, big monotheistic political religions,
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in every century, all over the world, the first thing they do is make you feel that your body is something terrible. The Catholic Church, they wear black.
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And in Friday in Vienna or England,
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they see a young woman’s ankle, or a young man’s ankle,
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or have I left anybody out?
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It’s so shocking to see an angle.
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The Ayatollah Khomeini,
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when he came into power,
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the first thing he did was to say,
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the women cannot bathe at the beaches
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where the men bathe in Iran.
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Wherever you have
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the big religions or the big totalitarian forces, they hide the body.
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They make you feel ashamed of the body.
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And a hundred years ago, from medical associations there’s a Harvard
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professor hundred years ago wrote a big book and he said that masturbation or sexual intercourse marriage causes the brain to rot, causes psychosis, causes the… You know what the amotivational
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syndrome is? They say if you smoke marijuana, you don’t want to work so that sex makes people
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lose interest in their job. And not only, if you
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masturbate, not only
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will you go to the mental hospital,
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but your children will be
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monsters. So they were saying
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a hundred years ago
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about sex, what they’re now saying
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about the brain and drugs that access
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the brain. Because
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once the human being says
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this is my body, and I don’t want to use it
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for anybody else, but the key is, if I have divinity, or if I have many stages of intelligence
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within, I have God within, then my body is the temple, or my body is the temple, my body is the wonderful vehicle for higher intelligence inside. So then the person begins to take care of their body and in America and I’m sure in Germany now and facelifts and yoga and health clubs and jobbing and these kind of shoes and clothes and all sorts of sports and skiing and scuba driving, and recreation. Development of the body is probably
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the biggest industry in America and probably Germany today. And that’s part of the, it’s
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called the mean generation that came from the 60s when people said, divinity is within,
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and people became, even in medicine, see, before the 1960s and 70s, your body belonged to the
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doctor. And if you were sick, they put you in a factory like a hospital, and the doctor
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would come and fix you, and then you’d go out. Most young, intelligent Americans, I’m
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sure it’s true in Germany too, now realize that you are responsible
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for your own health, and no doctor.
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As a matter of fact, hospitals in America, even most doctors will admit, a hospital is
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a warehouse for disease.
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It’s all sick people come here in the hospital, and they leave their germs, and they go out.
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So in many hospitals in America, there are all these strains of diseases in the hospital. So, the first future level of intelligence
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has to do with the body. And there are three stages of body intelligence. First is you just employ your body. And in America, the
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way this happened, probably in Germany too, Americans began to discover their body. They help came in the form of drugs. So that in 1960s and now 1970s, now 1980s, 65 to 70 million
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Americans have used marijuana. Many of them no longer, but they have used it and they’ve learned how to use it.
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And drugs are access codes to the computer so that if you really have mastered the yoga
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or the method of marijuana, you don’t have to smoke it all the time.
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The working person in America, and I’m sure this is true in Germany,
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is wearing Gucci and Gloria Vanderbilt and
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fixing the hair. Only the aristocrats did that before. See, because the aristocrats,
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the rich, so have always considered, well, I want myself as my body, and it’s always
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been the rich and the dukes and the cardinals that had free sexuality and free drug smoking.
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But in the 1960s and 70s in America, for the first time, there. Everyone’s running around painting, and everyone in too, where there are no longer two sexes.
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See, first there were two sexes, male and nun. And then two and three and four now, there’s even celibacy now, it’s chic to be celibate.
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So that all this is signs, signs that people are individually deciding how they want to
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fix their hair, how they want to look, how they want to enjoy their life, their body.
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Sensuality, curfew life. The football players, you know, cologne. Now, the people who run
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the big churches or the people who run the big government, they don’t like that because they say this is self-indulgence.
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Well, we who are interested in increasing intelligence, one of my jobs is to go around and say to people,
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you should be self-reliant, you should self-discover, you should be self-indulgent. Because you either indulge yourself or you’re
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indulging the commissar or the chancellor or… Now, the paradox of being an intelligent person, or the paradox of having a self and managing
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a self and taking care of a self is this. It is harder work to be self-reliant than
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it is to be a follower. It’s so easy before. You cut your hair just like the soldiers, and you wore the same clothes, and you went to the same factory, and you’re like that, and you went back, and you made love the same way. Or not.
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to have to figure out, what do I really feel I want? It’s much harder to be a self than to be a conforming person. That’s called, what I feed yourself or to please the establishment. Life,
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at this level of intelligence, is an art. And in one way you’re an artist, you’re God, the artist. It’s the neurotechnology of aesthetics and hedonics into hedonism and erotics.
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Now hedonism, which is food.
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In America now, they have gourmet food. So you go into any chain store, in any chain store, and you find nuts from Honolulu, and you find special rice from China, and you find best beer from Germany, and you find the best wines and this is the average middle class person is buying
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herring from Denmark and buying beer from the Philippines so that instead of just one
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beer or one black potatoes and meat there are hundreds of ways to please the taste. the same thing is true about music and
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sound, high fidelity
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and so that
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the average American and I’m sure
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it’s true of the average German working person
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now is spending
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more and more
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percentage of money on
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the art
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of living
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now if you want to get a high-five set, it’s hard work. You have
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to read, you have to listen, what kind of music do you want? Quadraphonic? You have
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to study Sony, Mitsubishi, Uber, you have to test. I mean, it’s so easy. Before, you just turn on the radio and listen.
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It requires intelligence. It requires action. It requires science.
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Science of aesthetic living.
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And sex, too.
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Sex is a thousand times more complicated now than it was 20, 30 years ago. Because in those days, well, there’s…
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Oh, you could go to the reamer bomb, maybe.
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But even the reamer bomb now, there are thousands of different types, right?
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So, I’m talking about the first levels of the future in the past, as we were struggling as a species.
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It was intelligence, intelligence was to eat, and intelligence was to protect yourself,
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and then intelligence was to build shelters and we’ve been through these early stages. But as we go into the future, what is the purpose of life?
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To eat?
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Well, that’s like an animal.
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What is the purpose of life?
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To defend yourself?
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Well, that’s like a dinosaur.
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What is the purpose of life?
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To, uh, Deutschland numerales?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Or to fight for Christ?
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No, no.
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Fight for the total against the wrath? No.
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What is the purpose of life?
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The purpose of life now
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is to yes, you have enough to eat,
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and you give food to other people,
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because if you have food and they don’t,
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uh-uh.
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See, the intelligent
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person, the intelligent person is a good person because, you know, you know that you can’t
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be happy if your neighbor is starving or if you’re pushing down your neighbor, so you
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have to, and the intelligent person also, the intelligent person learns
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to mind
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your own business.
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Do you know what I mean by that?
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That you don’t try to go around telling everyone
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else what to do.
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We believe in
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lots of that’s intelligent.
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We get plenty of space
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for other people to grow too.
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So, what is the purpose of life? The purpose of life
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at a higher level now is art, beauty, erratics, aesthetics, hedonics. At the level of sound,
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you know, I find the first step, you know, people just get the record, you play the record, you listen.
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And then the active aesthetic engineering or aesthetic or erotic engineering involves, what’s the name of the yoga?
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And then the next stage would be hooking yourself with somebody else.
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And then the next stage would be hooking this up with somebody else. So that at every stage of intelligence, you have to learn how to receive,
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and then to master it, and then you have to share it and transmit it.
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Now I said that the brain…
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These levels of intelligence that I’m going to define
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are all based upon morphology or physiology, anatomy. I’m not just making them up in my mind.
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The body is the first. The second level of stage of future intelligence is the brain.
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At every level you have to have training and you have to have hardware. You have to have technology.
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Like in order for Noah to read, we have to have books, we have to have paper, we have to have pencil.
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We have to read.
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And this seminar is basically a seminar on how to increase your bodily intelligence.
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And there’s hardware, there’s the candles, and there’s the…
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Everything I’m talking about is hardware to learn how to increase your intelligence at that level.
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To smoke marijuana, for example, and by the way, there are drugs that can help you at every level of intelligence, or help you get back to any level of intelligence. The drug for aesthetics, erotics, hedonics, art, the bodily drug is marijuana. very hungry you smoke marijuana and some music slows down you smoke marijuana and time stretches
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out so that you’re making love it just goes on and on and on the music goes on and on and on you drive for 12 hours, and you’ve only gone two blocks.
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Now, there is a technique in smoking marijuana.
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And many, many people, the first time they smoke marijuana,
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they get paranoid because they’re so sensitive.
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Or the first time they smoke marijuana,
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they get very nervous and they don’t feel anything.
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Or they smoke marijuana and they just eat, eat, eat, eat.
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There are lots of Hollywood stars that have given them marijuana because it makes them fat. Also, at every level of intelligence, you can overdo it, so that reading is wonderful.
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Reading books is wonderful. But if you read, read, read, read all the time, you know, you are a very narrow person.
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And the same thing is true of any bodily art. It’s wonderful to be able to do Tai Chi, but if you do Tai
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Chi all the time and you think that’s all there is, then you’re not got that. And the
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same thing is true of marijuana. Marijuana is a very special key to intelligence. In
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the 60s and early 70s, there were lots of people who would get up in the morning, and they lie in bed, and they reach over, and they get a joint, and they lie down.
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Hello, Sunday.
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And they just kind of float through the day.
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Well, it’s good to have an experience like that.
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All these experiences are good, but you simply cannot go through life just floating in this situation so that it is
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stupid to use marijuana and to go to class where you want to learn quickly
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Yeah, right, yeah. The way the DNA has designed the brain is fantastic. For example, when Noah learns how to talk, and there’s a man named Noah Chomsky from Harvard, he’s a certain age when that clicks on.
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And when a new circuit of the brain clicks on,
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Noah will make an imprint.
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You imprint the immediate environment.
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Do you know the experiments of Lorenz with…
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You know what imprinting is?
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Imprinting is in fowl and mammals
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and in human beings too.
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There is a critical period
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after a little baby goose
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of Gosling is born,
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there’s a period of a few hours
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that an imprint takes place.
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And whatever moves,
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the goose
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will imprint that as its mother.
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And you know the story about the reds the yeah
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he walks along and then all the little his polya and then they put words in his ear and they want
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to make love to him you know the the they trained chickens to imprint ping-pong balls or soccer footballs.
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Or there was the case of the little baby giraffe.
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And the hunters killed the mother just after the baby was born.
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And the hunter’s jeep came up.
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So the giraffe imprinted the jeep.
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And wanted to suckle the jeep.
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And then when I got older, I wanted to suckle the Jeep. And then when I got older I wanted to fuck the Jeep.
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Now, that happens to us too. See, imprinting is a blind fixing of something in the environment
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at that critical period. Now, 99 times out of 100, the first moving object is the mother.
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So it’s okay. It’s only when… They’ve done all sorts of experiments to study how
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it really takes place. So isn’t it wonderful? If Noah was born in China, no one would imprint Chinese language. No one would probably imprint German.
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So, it’s well known that a baby or a young child can pick up a language like that, whereas an adult is very hard to learn another language. That’s because of imprinting. Now, imprinting continues at every stage of individual development.
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It’s well known that the first, when the sexual brain turns on…
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No, the red lights went on for sex.
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for sex.
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The first sexual experiences you have are very important.
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And they’re, you know,
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crop-debbing and all the cases that
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if your first orgasm
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was when you were being spanked
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by a maid
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with red bloomers,
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you run around finding a big, you know,
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fat woman with red bloomers.
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In food, too, there’s a phenomenon.
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See, we’re talking about immediate imprinting and learning or programming.
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It’s called the Bernays-Sauce syndrome. It was a psychologist who was a Skinnerian psychologist.
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who was a psychologist, who was a Skinnerian psychologist.
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And he believed in conditioning and reward and punishment and reward and punishment and reinforcement.
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And he went to a restaurant and he had a steak with brunette sauce,
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but there was something wrong with it.
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And he got very, very sick.
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So the next day he’s driving to the university
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and he went by the restaurant and he got sick.
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Anytime he sees Bernie sauce, that’s one shot learning.
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One shot. How can you do that? If you can learn, you know, that’s what imprinting or reprogramming is of the brain.
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Now, this is a wonderful, wonderful DNA program that babies are being born, geese are being
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born, giraffes are being born, human beings are being born all over the world,
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and the imprint as reality was there immediately at the right time.
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And 99 times out of 100, that’s okay.
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You’re listening to The Psychedelic Salon,
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where people are changing their lives one thought at a time.
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And that is where tape two of four cut off.
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I’ll probably go ahead and play the remaining three tapes,
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but I’m going to have to preview them first
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to see if it’ll be worth our time to listen to them.
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But in the first part of the tape that we just listened to,
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I seem to remember him saying
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a couple things about other topics that I wanted to hear, so we’ll probably be listening to the
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next tape together in a week or so. However, I’ve got to kind of wrap things up right now because
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I’ve got to start packing, because in the morning my wife and I will be driving to the Esalen
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Institute near Big Sur, California, where Bruce Dahmer and I will be leading a weekend workshop titled Terrence McKenna Beyond 2012.
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And probably by next month, you’ll be able to hear most of that workshop in some of our future podcasts.
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Additionally, I understand that the next two installments of the Terrence McKenna workshop
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held on the Hawaiian island of Maui in 1994 are now winging their way to me. So our summer fair here in the salon looks like it’s going to be
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more talks from Leary, McKenna, Dahmer, and myself, and hopefully I’ll come up with a few
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other talks to add some more variety to the mix as well. Now before I go, there are two other
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things I’d like to mention. One is that our fellow salonner and good friend of mine, Sheldon Norberg,
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is about halfway through a Kickstarter campaign to raise the funds needed
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to create a film version of his one-man play, Confessions of a Dope Dealer.
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And if you remember, we had Sheldon as a guest speaker here in the salon
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way back in podcast number 64.
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It’s really been too long now since Sheldon has performed this play on the stage,
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which he did in New York City, San Francisco, and Burning Man, among other places.
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In fact, I was lucky enough to see the full performance at Burning Man a few years ago
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and a partial performance at one of the Mind States conferences.
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And I’m here to tell you that I rate it right up there with Hal Holbrook’s one-man show about Mark
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Twain. Of course, as much as I like Mark Twain, I have to admit that Sheldon’s performance and
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subject matter actually had more appeal for me. Anyway, I’ll put a link to his campaign in the
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program notes for this podcast in the event that you can help him out and as you know, you can find
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the program notes for these podcasts via psychedelicsalon.us
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now there’s one more thing that I want to mention and it’s a complete sci-fi geek out
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and I suspect that a good number of our fellow salonners have read William Gibson’s novel
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Neuromancer and if you’re like me you’ve probably read it more than once
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well not since my first read of Neuromancer have I had so much fun reading a science fiction novel.
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It’s called Ready Player One and is by Ernest Cline.
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And I actually wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve already read it.
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But if you haven’t, and if you’ve ever played a video game or an arcade game,
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or used a Trash 80, a Commodore 64, or enjoyed one of William Gibson’s novels,
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then, well, I don’t think you’ll be able to put this book down.
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Not only is it a fast-moving and well-thought-out story,
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it’s probably the best piece of 1980s geekdom that exists.
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So, if you’re a geek, a science fiction fan,
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or simply a survivor of the 1980s,
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I think that you will truly enjoy
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this book. Oh, and
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one last thing. While preparing
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for the Esalen workshop, I put together
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a little video biography that I’ve
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titled, From Larry to Lorenzo,
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the First Seventy Years.
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Unfortunately, there isn’t
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going to be enough time for me to show that
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at the workshop, and still get
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in some of the other things that I want to cover. So instead of keeping it only for that event, I’ve instead posted it on
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my blog, and I’ll add it to the program notes for this podcast when I get a chance, and if I remember.
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But since I’m spending most of my time working on other writing, it’s become quite obvious that I’m
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never going to be getting around to writing an autobiography,
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not that any but my closest friends would even be interested.
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However, if you want a very brief look at how a small-town Irish Catholic boy morphed into the psychedelic podfather,
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you can check out this video piece in which I cover my life at the rate of 12 seconds per year,
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which, now that I think about it, is about how fast it seems to have taken place for
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me. Anyway, that’s going to do it for today, and so this is Lorenzo signing off from Cyberdelic Space.
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Be well, my friends.