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Date this conversation was recorded: July 29, 2019.
Today’s podcast features a conversation with Dr. Bruce Damer that was held last week in our live salon. Although Bruce has made over 30 appearances on these podcasts, it has been a year and a half since he has been back to bring us up to speed on his latest activities, which include a recent presentation at the IONS conference, participation in the selection of the next Mars landing site, his origin of live research in the Outback, and the Shulgin Chip.
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Transcript
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Greetings from cyberdelic space.
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This is Lorenzo and I’m your host here in the psychedelic salon.
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This is Lorenzo, and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.
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And today’s podcast features a conversation with Dr. Bruce Dahmer that was held last Monday evening in our live salon.
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And while Bruce has made over 30 appearances on these podcasts and actually was very instrumental in the founding of this podcast, well, it’s been a year and a half since he’s been back to bring us up to speed on his latest activities, which include a recent presentation at the IONS conference, participation
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in the selection of the next Mars landing site, his origin of life research in the Australian
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outback, and the Shulgin chip. I think that you’re going to enjoy this wide-ranging conversation.
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I think that you’re going to enjoy this wide-ranging conversation.
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So let me rewind and go back to you, Bruce, and ask, okay, what’s the latest you’ve been up to?
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You were at the IONS conference, right?
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Yeah, and for the listeners in the salon here, it’s the Institute of Noetic Sciences. It has a conference
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every two years and this is huge. It was like 750 people and they were an
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institute founded by Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 lunar module commander who on
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the way back to the earth had what was later described as a Samadhi in space.
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He had a complete union experience.
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But he was a real gearhead, like Lorenzo and me in the early days.
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He was a complete gearhead pilot for the Navy.
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And he was looking outside the window and the spacecraft was rotating.
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was looking outside the window and the spacecraft was rotating.
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It’s called the sort of barbecue mode,
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where they keep the sun moving on the side so it doesn’t get too hot on one side.
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So out that little window, he could see the Earth and Moon going past because they were in between.
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And then when they came on the other side,
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he could see a fantastic field of like like you can’t ever see from
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earth and then he had the thought come into his mind that the molecules and atoms of my body
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and the body of my crewmates and the spacecraft and everything else was made in a previous
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generation of those little stars out there past generations and then he had this awakened
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experience where he like completely realized he
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was one with the whole universe from a real nerd gearhead perspective,
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which I love.
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I just love this stuff.
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And there’s actual video or film of him looking out the window on Apollo 14.
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And he’s got this great smile on his face.
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He’s having the experience.
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And actually somebody was running the Hi8 camera and caught this.
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And so I showed this.
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I was the opening speaker for IONS a week ago, Friday.
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And I showed this wonderful piece in his narration of what happened to him.
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So he came back and didn’t know what had happened to him.
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And he had a friend at Rice University.
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And as Lorenzo knows, Rice is full of kind of interesting characters in Houston.
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And he asked this character professor at Rice, what happened to me?
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And he said, you had what’s called a samadhi.
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You had like a non-dual union with something bigger than you.
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samadhi you had like a non-dual union with something bigger than you and so he decided to form an institute called ions an institute of noetic sciences and he called the experience
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noetics and so for the last 50 45 years they’ve sponsored all the paranormal research you can put
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your finger on you know or you can you can shoot at it from dean radin to russell targ to
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now our friend lauren carpenter who’s doing all these devices to try to detect if there’s a
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background field what when you have a big event does it wobble more you know so is there some
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kind of etheric field is is young synchronistic field real? And can we measure, can we use it?
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And at this conference, so the opening talk went very well because I just did storytelling.
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I just sat on a stool with a light on me and told the story when I was nine and I had my first
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contact with this field. And when I was 10, I had another type of contact. When I was 11, I had my first contact with this field and when I was 10 I had another type of
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contact when I was 11 I had a third type and I realized by that time that this is how you interact
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with this thing and I’ve led my life in connection with that field ever since because I figured it
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was heck of a lot smarter than I was and it was going to just guide me through life and it’s
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I got a lot smarter than I was, and it was going to just guide me through life.
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And it’s guided some remarkable things because I trust in it.
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And it’s not God, and it’s not, I don’t know what it is.
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It’s something else.
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I mean, it’s not really embodied.
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It’s just flowing all the time and setting up synchronous events constantly just out ahead of you.
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Bruce, let me just interrupt you for a second when you’re talking about synchronistic events. And when we’re done here tonight,
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you may want to want to go out to the psychedelics salon.com and listen to the
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podcast I posted today, which was last Monday night’s Eric Davis talk.
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And Eric talked about specifically what you’re saying about Robert Anton Wilson
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having a moment like that and Philip K. Dick having a moment like that and I should add that
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Eric just a few years ago got his doctorate degree from Rice University yeah so synchronicity of
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ions I’m sorry to interrupt but I couldn’t pass up on that. So, you know, beyond all that, all the characters, the usual characters you’d expect at IHONs were there.
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And I was at a reception and up from behind me came Rupert Sheldrake.
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I think he’s British enough that he needs to be introduced.
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You know, like Freeman Dyson never spoke to Albert Einstein because he was never introduced.
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So I’d seen him across the room and I’d never spoken to him.
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You know, I know Ralph.
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I mean, Ralph was here two weeks ago at the house and I knew Terrence back in the day, but never the third member of the trial log.
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And so there was a science researcher that sort of towed him over.
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And we had this most delightful connection. And somebody else from IONS was observing this and
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said this was the most significant moment of the conference for him. It says he related it later.
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And he said, because what Rupert said was that as a scientist,
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he realized it is possible to communicate from the heart as well as the head
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because that’s what I had done.
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I decided to come straight from the heart
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and really give the audience an experience of the field itself.
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So the second thing that rupert i guess i
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might as well finish so the second thing that rupert sheldrake said was something the other
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thing new that i learned was that life started as a community as a network uh rather than let
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me interrupt has had rupert seen any of your work before then or read any about this? No. Okay. And, and so he was fascinated. He said,
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if life started as a community and a network, it’s a really new idea.
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And I said, yeah, your,
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your epigenetic field that you talk about could have its origins.
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You know, if it’s real and we’re talking about the field uh in the
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fact that life started as a network in collaboration it was a densely ramified network as terence would
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have said and uh in reference to trial log conversations uh and he said we could even test
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it i said what do you mean he said we could grow your progenotes your first
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protocells in one dish you’d have progenotes that were sort of exposed to others this is the boot
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up phase of life that we’re proposing and then you’d have an isolated one and the isolated one
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would evolve slower than the ones that had some kind of uh join point um and it’s a way to test the emergence of the field
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itself so that was fascinating and oh there was a there’s a third thing that uh rupert said which
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was and i had said well i got to know your work because lorenzo hager and I, one weekend in 2007 or something,
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he flew up.
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He was going to the MAPS conference.
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We were both going to MAPS, and we spent the weekend flipping cassettes
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and digitizing the Trilogues tapes that Ralph Abraham had brought over.
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And we did 90 tapes, and Lorenzo explained that because he was over 60 he would get up and pee
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twice a night and as a result we could do tape because you have to flip the tapes and then
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rupert said something really quite nice which was similar to what ralph told us lorenzo which was
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those trilogues recordings having been published have provided me more opportunities to meet people and to speak
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I’ve been invited to do more things in my career since then than any other thing and he said I want
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to thank you I want to thank you and Lorenzo for doing that because it has had a big impact on my
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life wow yeah isn’t that something that really blows me away bruce i didn’t know
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he even noticed that we put him up there it it he did yeah
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that’s really something you have to tell ralph that story yeah and ralph said the same thing
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and he said i have more followers on social media for trial hogs than any of my work in math or the
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Akashic record or anything.
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You know, that’s kind of sad when you
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think about it.
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What he has done, you know, it’s amazing.
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So, well, thank you
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for telling me that. I appreciate it, Bruce.
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So that’s the report from
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IONS. Just a
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phenomenal time. It’s the first time I’ve done a direct transmission in public like that. You know, you’ve seen me do my storytelling in little private groups. you’re letting a field go out into the audience and i could i could watch the interaction of the
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field in the audience even though i could only see the first two rows you know you’ve done a lot
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of public speaking in front of big groups back in in your telecom days back in the day yeah but
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there’s there’s a method where you feel the field coming through you and going through the audience.
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And what happens is you feel it landing in each individual.
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And you can see them like little dots on a matrix.
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And then as the transmission keeps flowing, they start smudging together.
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The dots start decohering.
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And people start to come into union with the entire group.
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And this is what I’m sure that Freddie Mercury did and Elton John did, you know,
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in these great movies that have been about their lives, that they could elevate an entire audience.
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You know, they could do that with their art. And a holy roller preacher can do that.
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You know, there are people that can do that.
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It might be called charisma or performance or something.
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But what I do is I track what is going on.
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And each story is threaded in based upon what is going on and what is coming back and what is coming as messages from the synchronous field.
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Like, tell this one now.
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And Terrence did the same
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thing I mean you can tell that and for me Terrence was my mentor my teacher even though
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most of my understanding of Terrence came after his death but I just admired to the ends of the
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earth his ability to thread story together and then bring it back at the end.
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It’s just, I put a bow on it. It’s just so beautiful. And so that I have sought to,
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to reach some kind of acuity on that in the last 20 years. So in this, in this group,
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surprising you, you don’t know what the effect is they all when i finished just 35 minutes they all
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leapt to their feet and applause and i’ve never that’s never happened you know now you’re you’re
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actually opening for deepak chopra right yes deepak i knew what deepak was going to do i’m
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just saying it makes it kind of tough for him to follow your act bruce
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well here’s here’s what actually happened.
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I had been in touch with Deepak, I don’t know, the previous week,
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saying, what are you going to cover?
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Because I’m going to do something new.
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And he was going to cover some long thing about physics and stuff.
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And I realized it was going to be just all very mental.
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And it was a little difficult.
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So actually, during the storytelling
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i sent part of the message back to deepak because he was backstage and a particular reference that
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would have landed with him because i know his his personal life some of his personal history
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and when i actually came off stage and I went back through the curtain, there he was.
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And there’s a board chair of IONS took a picture of us.
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But Deepak sort of looked at me and he said, that was beautiful.
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I loved your story.
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And we embraced.
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We have this connection.
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We have a heart connection.
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And we embraced.
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And then he was so soft he was
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like just a soft different Deepak than you normally see and it was a beautiful connection
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and then they they took I put that picture up on Facebook of the two of us very soft and then he
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went out and did his thing for an hour and it it was very, very tons of slides and all about sort of physics and kind of a little wishy-washy.
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I mean, he can’t really do science.
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I mean, he doesn’t have the training or doesn’t have the credibility.
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And it’s almost a shame if he could come from the heart more uh just come from his personal story than
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trying to be something he’s not in a way but he’s he said he wants to get together and he’s down in
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san diego not from not far from you yeah he just he lives just up the road i’ve never met him but
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what you were just saying is is really great advice for everybody you know we we all in this
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day and age, particularly
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the psychedelic community, we tend to get in our heads way too much. And I think the heart
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is exactly right, what you’re talking about. I’d like to get back to this, but just so that we
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don’t get diverted, because I’m curious myself, I haven’t been able to keep up with you last,
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you know, month or so. What was the deal with the mars the new mars
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mission and you were on on a committee there to find a landing site is that right yeah i i served
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on a landing site team for a year and a half or so presented at the two big meetings the final
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site selection meetings and uh i the viewers viewership group here might not know,
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I work in the origin of life in biochemical and geologically informed
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models for how life might’ve started on the earth.
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And I’ve been working on it for a long time.
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And we have a model in publication that’s actually having very good tests.
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We can elongate polymers in wet-dry cycles in hot spring pools,
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you know, in the wild, you know, in places like Rotorua in New Zealand,
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we’ve been able to form RNA from its building blocks.
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And so the whole field has now shifted towards this return
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to Darwin’s warm little pond.
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So there was I a year and a half ago in pasadena in front of 300 people
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and i hadn’t been at a mars landing site meeting since 2003 when uh the murray and opportunity and
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spirit were sites were chosen so it was like a shock like there were 25 of us in that one i was
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just invited as an observer at the time but so this time I was presenting where can life start on Mars
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given the latest science
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and where to look.
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And we argued…
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Is that their primary mission?
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Is looking for life?
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It is.
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But there’s sort of political
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and scientific interest
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in doing a ton of geology.
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And doing geology in Mars history is not the same as looking for evidence for life.
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Because if you’re looking for evidence for past life,
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you have to go actually to one location that will likely preserve it,
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and that’s an old hot spring, a preserved fossilized hot spring,
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which we found, Opportunity rover found evidence for in 2006
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and we were arguing we need to go back literally to where opportunity is sitting and go and break
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rocks in those outcrops which are like an old yellowstone because that’s where we’ll find what
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are called stromatolite, these texture maps or textures of
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microbial map community. And our team did not prevail. We ended up in the final round of three,
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but the Jezero crater team prevailed mainly because they’re going to an outwash delta
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that where a river went into a crater that was full of water.
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And they’ll do a lot of interesting geology in Mars history,
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but they won’t be able to find much in the way of biopreservation there.
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So they’re collecting samples, which will take a long time to get returned.
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So that was a disappointment, but not unexpected.
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You know, if we’d had two rovers going we could have sent one back to Columbia Hills and one to Jezero Crater but you know
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budgets being what they are. What does one of these these shots cost the whole project from
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from launching the thing to getting the samples back and analyzing them the msl class rover which curiosity is one of them
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on the surface so they’re 1600 pounds i mean they’re big it’s about a two billion dollar
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price tag wow for that mission um which is of course you know nothing in a lot of
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contexts these days um but it’s it’s the last actual big mission to Mars NASA has on the books.
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So the Mars program is really winding down now.
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And there’s other solar system missions going, but there’s one going to fly around Titans and that little drone in the atmosphere of Titan.
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That’s really exciting, about 10 or 15 years.
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And NASA has always, ever since 1969,
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have been sort of on the chopping block for funds, you know,
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once they had their spectacular success.
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And when I was in law school down in Houston in the Navy Reserve,
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and in our unit was the man who ran the ground communications for the Apollo
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flights, and he was the central communicator for the ground station.
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So we got a really close look at the whole thing, the program,
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and heard various incendiary recordings and saw videos.
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And so the whole thing was very real to me and alive.
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And I hate to see that whole culture die out,
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although you’ve explained to me before why a base on the moon doesn’t seem practical. Everybody’s talking about it again now.
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Can I entice you to say a little bit about that? Yeah, it’s annoying that every time we get a
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Republican administration, there’s this whole focus on the moon. I have no idea why. I think
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it’s because of certain congressional districts needing jobs. But the moon is a harsh mistress.
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You know, as who wrote that was Heinlein.
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He wrote that he just lived up the road here.
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Actually, he lived up on Bonny Doon.
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The moon is a harsh mistress and it’s not a good it’s not a good place to get fuel.
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In fact, we were at a meeting at colorado school of mines last month where one
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of the smartest people at nasa basically did a he basically uh falsified the idea that we can go
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into dark shadowed regions and mine water ice uh and i said to my lunar mining buddy i said well
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what do you think i mean you just they’re just not realistic for the equipment and which was i knew back in 2006 when we did
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a lunar ice driller design at marshall so it’s just a completely i i you know
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asteroids are the thing asteroids are full of ice and organics and minerals and things like that
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and the water on the moon is from asteroid impacts that then
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settle down on the moon in these shadowed regions anyway and they’re whizzing past the earth all the
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time and they’re just loaded with the stuff that made us that fell into those little pools that
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made us four billion years ago that’s what we need to go and lasso you know we need to that we came
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up with a design of putting a fabric enclosure around an
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asteroid and putting in gas and then detumbling them and then blowing on them so we can move them
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like a spaceship as like a like a sailing ship actually uh and then extract from them by managing
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the chemistry and the temperature and so we’ve come up with this universal system and we’re trying to get it
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promoted and get a company off the ground to work with the DOD and others to get this as a business
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as we can also encapsulate satellites and manage them and repair them that way so that’s my young
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friend Carlos Calva is heading up that company. But the moon thing is sort of always annoying.
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Because it’s so impractical operating on the surface of the moon.
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It’s like a death trap for equipment.
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One of the people I hired for one of my projects was the geologist Jack Schmidt, who was on Apollo 17.
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And he described how, like, things are just breaking down after three days,
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you know, the cuffs on his space suit.
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And by the way, I’m wearing my, my special,
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I don’t know if you can see it.
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This is my spiritual flight suit that we had at,
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at Convergence in Orcus. And you can see my,
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this is a special,
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this is Terrence McKenna’s logo type, the octoshroom,
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the mushroom body cap on the octopus.
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That came from his letterhead, right?
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That came from his letterhead.
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This is a nice diversion from all this seriousness. See, it’s got a face. See that? Yeah. And so
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Aaron Tain and Rosma worked together, put it into an
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illustrator file from Terrence’s, a few of Terrence’s letters that survived.
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And we made it into a patch for this wonderful
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outfit that I’m wearing, which is my
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flight suit.
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Rosma’s calling them spacesuits.
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What is she calling them? Outer space or inner spacesuits
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or something. And that’s that patch of that fellow
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who came out to visit you. And I got patches
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on different parts of this.
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Now I’m totally off topic to you.
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We were
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out in space and then you just kind of took us out a little farther and left us
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there, Bruce. So what is the main
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I mean, you’ve been doing the original life work.
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You’ve been doing work with NASA. Now you’re
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talking about a private company to possibly get into the space business.
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How do companies like SpaceX and all interface with NASA?
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There’s got to be a lot of overlap there, is my guess.
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Oh, yeah, it’s wonderful.
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I mean, what SpaceX has done, returnable first stages and flight capsules and everything, lowering costs.
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And it’s just fantastic what they’ve done and what Elon’s done.
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And I was last month up in Kent, Washington, visiting Blue Origin, which is Jeff Bezos’ space company, the founder of Amazon, who is the richest man in the world.
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I mean, I think he’s worth $400 billion or something.
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And I got a wonderful tour of the factory where they’re making the new
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Shepard and the new Glenn engine, and there’s a test firing stand,
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and I got to sit in the crew capsule for the vehicles.
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And, you know, it was just a wonderful visit.
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And he’s such a fan.
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I think it’s Jules verne or h.g wells
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voyage to the moon where they had the bullet shaped where they shot it yeah so what jeff did
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was he hired like an artist to make a steam like full the most steampunk spacecraft you could
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imagine it’s it’s full-size uh bullet-shaped, 19th-century spacecraft.
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You go in, there’s a nice plush couch, and there’s handles to pull things,
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and there’s dials and gauges and brass.
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It looks like an old ship from 1895 or something.
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A Jules Verne spaceship, for sure.
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It is, and on the bottom, there’s a flame, a real flame coming out.
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So my host who took me on this tour
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said oh you can go inside so i went inside and i pulled the lever i pulled the great big lever
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it turned off the flame and then when we came back from the tour there was this ticking sound
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and there were all these blue origin employees trying to relight the igniter and i realized i’d broken jeff bezos the spaceship you know
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where where do the the people come from the talent that they’re getting to build and design
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these spaceships for these these private companies now they you know they it took a lot of people to
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do this where did they all come from where do they gather these engineers and scientists
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from they’re from the whole world i think there’s such a passion for this kind of stuff in every
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country i mean there’s really no country that does not have an astrobiology network or astronomy
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societies or space societies and there’s such a passion for it. And so there’s no shortage of people to work on this.
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So at Blue Origin, the people were,
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there was a super high buzz for these people.
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They’re like super aware, super considerate, super smart,
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2000 people in that facility.
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And my gosh, you know, what a place to work.
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And my friend was saying, this the best best place i’ve ever
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worked and you know i think that uh spacex is a little higher stress because they’re meeting all
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these schedules for different launches and stuff and they’re kind of in the front lines whereas
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blue origin is privately funded and so they’re they’re meeting their targets and they’re making, they don’t have to launch commercial payloads. But it’s astounding. There’s just so much passion in this and to see private space starting just like in the 1920s when the airlines were given contracts to deliver mail, you know, on these little fabric biplanes. And that kicked
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off the airline industry. And so Continental and American Airlines and United all started in the
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1920s as mail carriers with just a few guys and sacks of mail, you know, and it became airlines
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in the 30s, 40s and 50s. And that’s what’s possibly happening now. I’m not sure there’s a size of them. The market’s not clear really.
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I don’t think people are going to live on Mars and the moon anytime soon.
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There’s maybe the tourist market and certainly the launch market,
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but it’s not as huge as the mail or passenger market was for,
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for airlines.
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You know, I, I hate to show my ignorance that I,
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like most people don’t like to,
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but is there, does NASA or somebody provide like traffic direction in space? Are there traffic
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cops? I mean, you can’t just shoot these things up, can you? Well, there’s international agreements
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and there’s been a real problem with debris. So the Indians did an anti-sat test, which was very
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controversial because they ended up creating so much debris that there’s one
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orbit that’s now useless. And if we keep doing this and we keep having satellite
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satellite collisions which are rare but they happen and we keep having this
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nonsense about weapons in space which is complete nonsense, and all this stuff, we’re going to reduce our access
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or close our access to space. So it won’t be as dramatic as like the movie Gravity, because that
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was not very realistic, the depiction of that. But when you get hit by debris, like they showed in
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it does in the movie, that does actually destroy vehicles. This one little piece, you know, it’s traveling at, you know, 50,000 miles an hour the other way,
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or 10,000 miles an hour.
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It’s a lot of energy.
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So there’s agreements around geostationary orbit where countries are allowed to park their vehicles.
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And one of the things that we can do in our venture is to move those satellites.
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And one of the things that we can do in our venture is to move those satellites.
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So if one has died in geostationary, it’s a great big school bus-sized thing.
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It’s taking up space, and it needs to actually move to what’s called a graveyard orbit.
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And we can send our enclosure system up, stop it tumbling,
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because these things start tumbling, and have no control and then gently move it
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out of that orbit to allow for other other vehicles to go there so everybody would be happy about that
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from the military to weather to gps to you know all this all these people and now they’re launching
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satellite constellations of hundreds of little ones. So that’s changing the landscape, the space scape again.
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So the company you guys are looking to possibly form,
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would I be putting down on you too much if I said you’re like space junk collectors?
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Well, that’s the market.
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But certainly the junk that’s actually satellites that need fuel or need repairs, they’re not junk.
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I mean, some of them, billions of dollars went into those.
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And we actually even worked out ways to do manufacturing in space of bigger structures.
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And, you know, that’s all Carlos’s domain.
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But we think we can get this thing funded and start the long process of developing it and testing it.
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It will take 10 to 15 years, you know.
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Well, I hope to be around long enough to see how that comes out, Bruce.
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Well, thank you.
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Now, I’d like to open it up for questions from other people,
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but first of all, I’d like to have you tell a little bit about getting Terrence into cyberspace
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for the first time and the time you spent at his house with he and
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Finn. That story really doesn’t get told very often. I’d like
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to have you share it here with us, Alana.
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Yeah, so I had reached the great age of 36
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and I had reached the great age of 36, and I had studiously avoided the elixirs.
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I like to call them the elixirs because, you know, when you call them the medicines, it has an implication that you’re somehow sick, you know.
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Whereas you use the druidic term or the alchemical term elixir, it’s a magic.
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It’s a magic potion. potion you know it could heal you
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but it can also open up worlds and I hadn’t really gone near them because I could connect with
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something like this field on my own on the gnat if you will that was Terrence’s term so I could
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go into these spaces and I really didn’t want to disturb that ability I was just but then I I
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started listening to Terrence and I met Terrence and I thought well this guy’s not completely a
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scrambled eggs and so we made this thing where he he came to my house here in 98 and we I sat him
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down and he was interested in me because I was the maven of avatars and virtual worlds. I’d run the first conferences.
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I wrote the first book on it, like sort of helped catalyze it.
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And so he came and he sat there with Ralph Abraham on one side and Finn on the
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other.
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And I put a big CRT monitor and put them into these worlds where there were
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avatars or users.
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Some of them were speaking with voice with lip-syncing
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3d some of them were building cityscapes and for him it was a huge awakening because
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you know later i learned about his whole invisible landscapes now what what year was this so that we
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can get a technology kind of fix what was available november of. And the previous year in 97, he talked about me because we’ve been emailing for a couple of years.
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But he talked about me on Art Bell.
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And then again on Michael Krasny or some show on NPR.
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So I had no idea he was talking about me on these shows.
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But so he had finally come and we met.
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And then we made this arrangement where he said, well, I’m going to Mexico to Palenque.
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And we’re doing this conference.
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And, you know, it happens to be the height of mushroom season there.
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But there was nothing we could do about that.
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Difficult, Terrence, thing.
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So anyway, so he’s, I hadn’t planned to go to Palenque and I was ignorant enough
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not to even know about it. But it was kind of a mystery school, it was a hermetic kind
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of an event. It wasn’t really wide to publicize. So we arranged that I would go out into the wilderness of the Southern Sierra and take his elixirs and go into his worlds.
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And we would kind of switch places, which I did.
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And it was pretty phenomenal.
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It actually uncurled Terrence’s hair when I told him what happened.
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His curly hair got straight suddenly.
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Do you want to mention the size
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of the dose well it was as much as i could get down so because i didn’t think any of this would
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work you know i didn’t think this last words because my body scrambles anesthetics really fast
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and it’s a really different chemistry and um so i just stuffed myself
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as much as i could get in anyway but it worked i dissolved to the void and you know don’t try
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to avoid the void you know i just accepted the void so then the deal was that I would go back to Hawaii with Jim Essex and we would go and stay at Terrence’s.
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And I reported in the experience of those worlds to him, which was pretty shocked about where I went because he had not gone to such a place, which surprised me later, actually.
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That’s a whole story.
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which surprised me later, actually.
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That’s a whole story.
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But then what we did, the main point was that we went,
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we built a virtual world so that he could go in as an avatar,
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which he named Zone Ghost,
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which I found later in a collection of letters was his dream to become a zone ghost in cyberspace.
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And Finn McKenna actually made this hyperboreal gate
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in Active Worlds, and Terrence went through it.
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And another user had made a tryptamine-inspired world where Terrence was amazed that he could become the bug-eyed green lawnmower.
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But he chose the gray alien zone ghost.
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And then people flooded in from his list and had a session like a 40 people were
00:37:08 ►
there and he actually went out and took a second group of 40 in because it was sort of limited what
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you could do and it was phenomenal and we have a video of this online it’s called Terrence on the
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naturally Terrence McKenna on the Natch and it was wonderful I mean
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at the end of that day it was hours and hours he was glowing you know there’s a picture I put up in
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in a still frame of him like going like this he was so happy he was like the elf. He had become the elf and he had gone into cyberspace into
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an invisible landscape. And we compared notes about how, how did this compare to, you know,
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tryptamine landscapes and, and Terence’s in his inimicable way said, it was not unlike DMT, not unlike DMT.
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And this was, in a way, sort of a heartfelt moment because this was his last experience of what he would call novelty.
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I might call tech novelty, techno novelty.
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Because only six weeks or eight weeks later, he had the seizure.
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Because only six weeks or eight weeks later, he had the seizure.
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Then Christy had to get him off the mountain and the brain scan.
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And he had this terrible condition.
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And he was gone by April 2000. And that’s where you and I met at Alchemical Arts in September 99.
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At that hotel that they were going to tear down.
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And we were like the last group.
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And it was a goodbye to Terrence, and they were all of Terrence’s closest friends reading were there, and it was a
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shock, because the meeting had been planned, but we didn’t know that it was going to be a goodbye,
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and it was actually. Yeah, it was kind of a tough time, but you know, he handled it really well, and
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everybody did, I think. It was
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a really interesting conference, and as I told people last week, that’s where Terrence told me
00:39:11 ►
about Eric Davis, and I’d actually gone to the conference to meet you, and so the two of you
00:39:17 ►
came to me through Terrence McKenna, so we can attribute a lot to Terrence. And, you know, I miss him to this day.
00:39:25 ►
And we had, at his house, we had talked about going on the road together.
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And so what happened was he wrote to Nancy Lunny at Esalen.
00:39:36 ►
And we were going to do a program at Esalen in March of 2000, which would then allow us to sort of take and i would start talking about technology because
00:39:46 ►
terence really had no qualifications to talk about tech and i remember staying all night with
00:39:52 ►
terence i think there’s it’s in the salon part of this conversation right uh where i was saying
00:39:58 ►
terence computers can’t do singularities that you can’t upload consciousness it’s completely the wrong
00:40:05 ►
architecture it’s a fantasy it’s from science fiction and you know he’d been reading articles
00:40:12 ►
in omni magazine and never written a line of code and what was he doing talking about this and he
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was very worried about y2k and i told him terence nothing is going to happen on Y2K, nothing. And then we ended up
00:40:27 ►
shifting into the 2012 thing and I said, do you want to create like a new age Y2K? I mean,
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not this, this is ludicrous. And so by the dawn, the dawn was coming over the volcano in Hawaii and Terrence said, well, I hope they don’t take it all too literally, you know?
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But yeah, so then he was gone.
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And I remember we had a vigil for him the night before he passed here at the
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farm because he’d been here and we had a circle and very emotional and I miss
00:41:02 ►
him. And we were going to go on the road and I was going to talk
00:41:06 ►
do the tech talk so he didn’t have to do that and he was going to talk about hermetics and recipes
00:41:11 ►
and and James Joyce and all the things he actually was good at um and then I would do the tech stuff
00:41:18 ►
space and computing and this and that and just as a follow-on uh terence’s idea of novelty and
00:41:26 ►
concrescence you know the white hedian idea i took that up so i did my phd work on that
00:41:33 ►
building the evolution grid in 2007 to 10 and we found the formula or we believe for how the
00:41:41 ►
universe adds novelty and doesn’t lose it which led
00:41:45 ►
into the origin of life found the actual mathematics of the process the formalism
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which is the basis for this work so yeah because I asked the question well of
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course things can flexify and there’s concrescence, but how? You know, let’s actually do the math.
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And then around 2006, I, five, I woke up in bed suddenly
00:42:12 ►
with almost a Terrence’s voice in my hand.
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And I turned to him sort of cognitively and said,
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Terrence, you left too soon.
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I’m going to bring you back.
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And all I had was this, an FTP folder of recordings from cassette.
00:42:28 ►
And I said, this is terrible.
00:42:30 ►
This man’s work is gone.
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We’ve got to do something.
00:42:33 ►
And contacted Ralph Abraham, and that’s when the box of trial log tapes came.
00:42:37 ►
And you and I and the whole community just started sending these cassette tapes to be digitized.
00:42:45 ►
And we reconstructed Terrence.
00:42:47 ►
I mean, we got a huge cash of them during our special event that we held in 2012.
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It’s just wonderful.
00:42:54 ►
We wanted to bring his voice back and put him into cyberspace.
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So we started out putting him in virtual worlds,
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and then we actually put all of Terrence into cyberspace for all of you.
00:43:08 ►
And I feel that was a good and honorable thing to do because, you know,
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he was very special, and he did leave too soon.
00:43:20 ►
I just checked, and I don’t want to put it up on the screen right now the
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Terrence McKenna archive on the salon now has 295 recordings in it so with
00:43:33 ►
your help and Ralph’s and everybody else’s we’ve done a fairly good job of
00:43:38 ►
saving him there’s still more to go of course you know let me open up and see
00:43:43 ►
if people want to ask questions. You
00:43:45 ►
can hit the, I think, the participant button, and it’ll raise your hand, or you can just raise
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your hand, and I’ll see you. It will unmute you, or you can unmute your own mic, I think.
00:43:57 ►
I’m scrolling around to see everybody’s faces or cartoons here.
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or cartoons here as long as you want.
00:44:06 ►
Hey, Bruce, I think the intersection of what technology comes together in your idea of the Shogun chip.
00:44:11 ►
Charles, you’re cutting out just a little bit.
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I was just going to ask Bruce to talk about the Shogun chip.
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The Shogun chip.
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That’s my eschaton. You want to hear about it?
00:44:31 ►
So this is 2014 and we were having a meeting at sasha and ann shulgin’s house about starting a cannabis testing lab with
00:44:37 ►
paul and they were boiling down cbds in the lab and we had lunch with with uh sasha and that was the time he was blind he was
00:44:48 ►
actually a week from death we didn’t know that week from his passing so uh when i was leaving
00:44:54 ►
uh i because we’ve been i’d known sasha for a while and about 15 years or something and i bent
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down i said sasha we just had a lunch about cannabis and i know it’s
00:45:07 ►
not your favorite drug at all it’s far from it he and and do not like to get stoned they they’re
00:45:15 ►
tryptamine beings they want to be highly activated and aware they don’t like the stone state people
00:45:20 ►
don’t realize this neither of them do uh did and i said but this this cannabis testing
00:45:27 ►
lab idea could finance your research your research institute to go on and and he he turned to me
00:45:34 ►
to see his sense where i was and he said sounds great and anyway those are the last words with uh with uh sasha and but as i was leaving there was this
00:45:48 ►
strange image that came into my my tryptamine brain which was this rotating gold uh square
00:45:57 ►
rotating gold square but it seemed to be like embedded in my body i was like oh my god now
00:46:03 ►
here’s another one of these endo trips,
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you know, one of these delivery vision things off to figure this one out.
00:46:09 ►
And a week later, we had this big party up in a mountain valley.
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And it suddenly came to me and I was doing a storytelling for the group.
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And I said, oh, that rotating gold thing was the Shulgin chip.
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It was in the 2030s or 2040s.
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You know, I won’t pick a date.
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Don’t make that mistake.
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There’s this subcutaneous chip that can make everything in the Shulgin index from blood serum.
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You know, it just takes stuff in and it’s a subcutaneous chip.
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And these are going to be pretty common in the late 2030s as subcutaneous delivery,
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subcutaneous detection of cancers in stream and stuff. As our group at UCSC, Dave invented a
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technology called nanopore sequencing, which can sequence DNA through a pore in a little device like this,
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so that could go into your body. So anyway, I thought, well, if that’s the case,
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how would you run the Shogun chip? What would that mean for the access to the ether worlds of the other, you know, not the synchronous field, but the high high worlds so i don’t know if any of you here
00:47:27 ►
have experienced this but uh where you get into a state where you’re you’re approaching like this
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infinitude where you open there’s no longer the world i mean you’re crossed over and you’re in
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the whole i call it the glassine plane You’re in the highest of the high.
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And it’s astonishing, and it’s so alien, too.
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And on the way up to it, when this happens to me, on the way to that state,
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I’m like, oh, my God, I never thought I was going to go back there.
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I never thought I would ever go back there.
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And now I am.
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And every cell in my body is screaming, you know, like, no.
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But you do get there.
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And it’s just the launch is hard.
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But you’re there and you’re in this realm.
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And what I thought at that time was maybe that’s the starting point for the future. Maybe that’s where something like a Shogun chip connected to a, like a yarmulke, like a net of being around your brain that detects your mental organs and text what the tryptamine is doing to GABA or, you know, activating the networks of neuroreceptors.
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the networks of neuroreceptors.
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And it detects it in real time so that it can drive the chip to produce the right thing to go into novel or higher, higher states,
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maybe like this infinitude state.
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But what if that system shared itself with the cloud?
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So at some point you would get get a pop up in your AR system
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that says, do you accept this overmind? Yes or no? So you move your eyes over and you click on yes,
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I accept the overmind. And your whole state is uploaded to a common state of 3 million people that are doing, running their shogunships.
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And then what happens is because you have a collective that’s adding it all up, you get the greater than the sum of the parts.
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The whole is much greater.
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Just like the progeny, just like how life began.
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the progeny, just like how life began. And then everyone is cruising to the highest state as a unit, through the etheric field, but through also the chemical pathways. And then there’s
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3 million people starting at that glassine plane and going from there. And I sort of,
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during my talk in 2014, which we called Sasha’s graduation celebration,
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I suggested that if we can do this, if we can actually get to that,
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and all these minds, millions of minds and bodies and souls can enter into that state,
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we wobble the universe itself.
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We non-locally shake the cosmos and we can open the pore we can make
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ourselves known because in a sense you ask the question how can i go to a state and this is a
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terence question also how do i how do i get to a state where i see things that are outside my
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experience right experience things
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they’re completely outside of my training my background and they seem to be delivered from
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elsewhere and i think they are delivered from elsewhere and i think i have a model for how that
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works and it and it’s simply this that if you’re in that super high state and you get into that super activated state,
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you’re in that state because neurons, which have little head ends and they have little tendrils,
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generally they’re unidirectional.
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So electrons are bouncing down sodium channels and they’re hitting that gap and it’s producing the transmitters
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and taking signal across the gap.
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transmitters and taking signal across the gap. But when they’re in a state of shock,
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for instance, from a strong elixir or a near-death experience or injury or even a
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somati experience, the system becomes uncertain. It gets wobbled. And when it becomes uncertain,
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the electrons are like a two-slit experiment.‘re they’re fanning out so they they’re not so they’re not so localized in the channel they’re sort of
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earrings wobbling so well they’re expressing potential other pathways you know find them
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and sum over history’s thing this bloom and that bloom is the the d flash. So when that hits like that, then there’s this explosion
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of possibility that goes everywhere. And so that flash is like, poof. And then as it collapses
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down, the electrons still have to travel in their channels, otherwise you’d be dead, right?
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But they still bounce around on the guardrails of the neurons.
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But when the wave collapses down,
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and Nick Herbert will probably slap my hand for suggesting this,
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they smoosh out probability
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because the wave function doesn’t know the directionality of the electron.
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So all of the neurons get lit up.
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They all get lit up with this fantastic potential and the electrons smear
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out and so the brain becomes a smeared out thing which becomes a transceiver so now it’s like very
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super sensitive because it can wobble with a whole bunch of things it can wobble with other brains so
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that in the room you suddenly have weird phenomena that happen for the group
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it can wobble with non-local things so that maybe the alien spacecraft you’re you’re so blown away
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is an actual alien spacecraft someplace that is you’re able to wobble with because the information
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is is there somehow but it’s it’s coming through your filters,
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you know, through your primate filters.
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So you’re, you know,
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you might be seeing the mother Mary or Mary Magdalene
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if you have Christian filters,
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but you’re going to see extraordinary things.
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And maybe the turned on monkey mind is that.
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And that we crave that as a species.
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We’re always trying to get to that.
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You know, sometimes we go the wrong way.
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We go to alcohol and things that can’t get us there.
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But we do all these practices, you know, Wim Hof breath work that we do because we’re craving that.
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We’re craving that non-dual union that Edgar Mitchell had, you know, in Paul 14.
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And we’re criss-craving it.
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in Paul 14 and we’re criss-craving it.
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We’re craving the end of separation, the end of childhood’s end,
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and that we’re separate units in this uncaring cosmos and we want unification.
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The unification we had were in the mother’s womb, for example.
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So perhaps, and this is my wobbly hypothesis on how the extreme high state works and how it non-locally couples
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and it may even be testable for all we know um but that’s the shogun chip idea for you charles and for everyone bruce uh i i realize that uh anybody that that is hearing this for the first time and doesn’t know you or much about this
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whole group would think that’s a pretty fantastical statement. But Daniel McQueen, who was here a
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couple weeks ago that created the DMT-X patch and is leading the research project to control the DMT
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state over an extended period of time and being able to go out of it and
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come back into it and all. It sounds to me like the work that they’re doing, while it’s not a
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patch, a chip, it’s like the Shilgan chip 0.8. You know, it’s the lead into it. And while everything
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that you said sounds fantastical, I’d like everybody to remember
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they’re talking to me, a guy who, when I was growing up, thought the Dick Tracy two-way radio
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was too fantastical to really happen. And right now we have people from New Zealand and Canada
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and all over the U.S. and Hawaii all in a video conference that’s a lot better than that Dick Tracy two-way
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radio. So I agree with you. We shouldn’t make the terrorist mistake of setting a date. But
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personally, the way things have been going, 2030 to 2040 does not seem out of range.
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Now, here’s a fun one for you. Maybe I’ll get a movie script out of this deal or Names Ram will give me a
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writing contract or we’ll co-write the book because you know,
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his books are a lot about this sort of stuff and I’m super inspired by,
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by him.
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Well,
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what if in 2039 in a version of Blade Runner,
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but it’s Blade Runner at the level of blood corpuscles.
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If you have a Shulgin, an illicit Shulgin chip, you also have embedded technology that’s keeping you alive that comes from big pharma.
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But there are all these agent cops that are trying to detect the presence of the shogun chip and so inside your body you have this massive high band
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with network going on with bots and little things in the bloodstream and and in implants and stuff
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and and they’re all there’s a cyber war going on inside you to determine whether these chemicals
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are coming that they’re still scheduled maybe nothing will be scheduled by then i don’t know
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but as you go between countries or states you know the shogunship has to cloak itself because you’re in a regime where that compound is scheduled.
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Or you’re going into mental states that are not permitted in certain states, in certain nations or in certain companies.
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And so there’s all this detection of people’s states of mind.
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And then we’re going to end up being like the shamans in Peru,
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where their guys are supposedly freaking meeting each other
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in these ayahuasca spaces and doing battles sometimes.
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You’re talking about real-life video games.
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Yeah, I’m just thinking that the future is stranger than we can suppose, and this is a Ramazanam type of novel. And by the way,
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talking about science fiction, I just read today that there’s a new prototype contact lens out
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that if you double blink, it zooms in for you. So all of these additions to
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our body are going to be coming soon, sooner than we expect, I think. So we’re kind of running out
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of time here tonight. And I do want to let you all know that in the next couple of weeks, we will be
00:58:21 ►
having Ann Shulgin here. I just heard from Tanya Manning today, and she and Greg
00:58:25 ►
and Ann are trying to figure a date that they can be in here. So in the next few weeks, we’ll have
00:58:30 ►
them in here to talk about the Shulgin things. And Bruce, of course, we’ve had you in the salon,
00:58:35 ►
and you’ve been sort of a co-founder of the salon. I really appreciate your time being here tonight,
00:58:41 ►
and I’m sure you will come back i’m sure you will if we we can
00:58:47 ►
talk you into it right yeah thank you all i’m sorry i monopolized all the time uh for questions
00:58:54 ►
but uh by the way i have my friend has convinced me to start a patreon so uh if you look at bruce
00:59:02 ►
damer uh i would really appreciate any support
00:59:06 ►
right now I literally have no support
00:59:08 ►
for this work and we’re trying to stand up a community
00:59:12 ►
here and this is a new building behind me that we’re building
00:59:15 ►
for me to live in on the land here near Santa Cruz
00:59:18 ►
and so he said start a Patreon
00:59:20 ►
and so I have and that’ll give you access
00:59:24 ►
to a whole bunch
00:59:26 ►
of stuff including regular conversations
00:59:28 ►
with me and
00:59:29 ►
visits to the Digibarn and the Tim Leary Archive
00:59:32 ►
and I can come and speak at
00:59:33 ►
conferences and
00:59:35 ►
the Levity Zone podcast
00:59:38 ►
you’ll get early versions
00:59:39 ►
of that so
00:59:41 ►
anyway
00:59:42 ►
and you find it the same way you found me, patreon.com slash, this time, all
00:59:47 ►
lowercase, one word, Bruce Dahmer, right? Yes. Okay.
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I’ll put that link in the program notes too, and so we can all find it.
00:59:56 ►
I appreciate everybody being here tonight, and
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next Monday, by the way, you know, Rick Strassman will be here, and
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I’ll keep you informed.
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And then sometime once a few of these other projects of yours come to fruition or start rolling down the road,
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I’d like to get you back here, Bruce, and you can give us an update on them.
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Yeah, we’ve got one rolling with AI with Google right now to kind of transform AI.
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So we’ll report on that.
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Definitely.
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Be sure to let me know when you’ve got a something that we
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can talk about on that one that that’s one of my hot buttons right now so okay well listen everybody
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uh we’re gonna call it a night for right now but uh until next week keep the old faith and stay high
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and for now this is lorenzo signing off from cyberdellic Space. Be well, my friends.