386 - Loose Ends Time

Program Notes

Guest speaker: Terence McKenna

[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]

“That’s the key thing that the archaic world knew that we don’t know: How do you live in equilibrium so that your children may live in equilibrium, because otherwise you get a cycle started that’s going to shove somebody over the cliff. And that somebody in the present case is either ourselves, our children, or their children. It’s no further away in time than that.”

“We love to congratulate ourselves on the forward-leaning liberal society that we live in, and the truth is it’s a bunch of rattle snake-handling fundamentalists that are much closer to Stalin than they are to FDR or anybody else like that.”

“If you look at the fossil record, 95% of all the species that have ever lived on the Earth are extinct. From that point of view it looks as though biology is a process for producing extinction.”

“You talk about a well-kept secret that’s only two tokes away? How do they keep the lid on this? That’s the miracle to me. How do they keep the lid on this?” [smoked NN-DMT]

“These chemicals, these plant hallucinogens, are pheromones laden with messages for humanity, but you have to pick up the telephone.”

“I think the world is growing more psychedelic every day. I’m completely hopeful… . This is how it should be. This is what it’s like when a species prepares to depart for hyperspace.”

Hallucinogens and Shamanism by Michael J. Harner
The Terence McKenna Experience by Ken Adams
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Transcript

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Greetings from Cyberdelic Space, this is Lorenzo and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic

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Salon.

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And I want to begin by thanking some of our

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Whomever you are, I thank you and all of our other supporters.

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I thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

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And for those who have been warning me away from Bitcoin,

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well, I hear you, but there’s a lot of activity now taking place in what I choose to call the Bitcoin aftermarket,

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which is beginning to service businesses.

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While we all know that the Feds took down Silk Road,

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of course it only took a couple of days for it to get back online in the deep web,

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but we also have now learned that the government is going to convert that huge cache of Bitcoins

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that they stole in their raid of Silk Road, and they’re going to convert it into U.S.

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dollars. So in a sense, the U.S. government has already begun using bitcoin itself. On top of

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that, I’ve also read that the porn industry has begun accepting bitcoin. Plus, there are now at

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least two Las Vegas casinos that are accepting it. So now that the U.S. government, the porn industry, and Las Vegas are all on the Bitcoin bandwagon,

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I have a hunch that Bitcoin is here to stay.

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It’s going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.

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Now in response to some comments that have been posted and emails that I’ve received,

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I’m going to play another one of the Terrence McKenna workshop recordings

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that we’ve been listening to.

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In fact, this is the last session from that workshop that I’ll be playing.

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It is, in fact, the Sunday morning wrap-up

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where Terrence would cover anything that the participants brought up.

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And for anyone who is new to the world of McKenna,

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this will give you a good idea, I think, of what a fascinating mind Terence McKenna had in order to be able to answer such a wide range of questions with detailed and well-thought-out answers without first having to even look at any notes or other materials.

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This is all ad lib, as were almost all of his talks.

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And just one little tip here for the newcomers to Terence McKenna.

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When he speaks about something being imminent, we should always keep in mind the fact that he quite often thought and spoke about things in a geological sense of time.

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And so something imminent for him could easily be maybe a thousand years in the future.

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So don’t be too hard on him thinking that he missed his predictions, because he may still be

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right. It just may take a few more millennia to get there. So let’s now join Terrence McKenna and a

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small group of workshop attendees for a Sunday morning wrap-up session that took place during the month of May in 1990.

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What I thought we would do this morning,

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because these things are so brief,

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is again return to the form of going around in a circle,

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and this time it’s your last chance to ask a question,

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make a statement statement voice a complaint

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whatever you want to do

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but just to try and

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in other words it’s loose ends

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time as rapidly

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as we can

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to tie up loose ends

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things people didn’t understand

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things

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people feel they need to

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hear more about that sort of thing.

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And why don’t we just start as we did before on this side and go around.

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I’d like to hear a more satisfactory explanation of what archaic revival means.

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I haven’t got it straightened out.

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I suspect it means a return to a more stable state

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when there’s too much chaos in the present.

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And I’m sure that’s not what you mean.

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Well, that’s partially what it is.

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It’s based on the idea that when societies get into trouble,

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an unconscious response seems to be

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they search back through their own history

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to find a model that they can revivify or revitalize.

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The strongest example in our own history was when the medieval world broke apart and didn’t make any sense anymore, the new middle class went back to classicism, to the Greeks and the Romans,

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to Roman law, Greek philosophy, and Greco-Roman architecture and mechanics and that sort of thing,

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and created classicism. Classicism was invented in the 14th century.

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invented in the 14th century.

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But our problems are deeper than this.

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We can’t go back to ancient Rome or ancient Egypt or something like that

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and expect to have real answers.

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We have to go back further

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to prehistory, to this archaic state.

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And there, in partnership, in genderless, self-organizing society,

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we begin to see the kinds of models that we have to somehow recreate in the modern world.

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somehow recreate in the modern world obviously we can’t in the modern world become mushroom eating nomadic pastoralists but we can study that approach to reality to try and learn from it

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how you live in equilibrium that’s the key thing that the archaic world knew that we don’t know

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how do you live in equilibrium

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so that your children may live in equilibrium

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because otherwise you get a cycle started

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that’s going to shove somebody over the cliff

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and that somebody in the present case

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is either ourselves

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our children or their children

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it’s no further away in time

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than that so the archaic

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revival is the idea that all

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of the and I see the whole

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of the 20th century

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you know the discovery of the

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unconscious by Freud

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and Jung the

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dissolving of the naturalistic image at the hands of the

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cubists, the probing of the dream state by the surrealists, the exploration of mass ritual by

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the fascists. I mean, it wasn’t all good, this stuff. But what all these things had in common was they were a return, an appeal to a level of the mass psyche that had been ignored and denied for a long, long time.

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The LSD taking of the 60 that as the emphasis, as the ratios of the mix of media in a society changes, the sensory ratios and values of the society change. And we’re living in a post-literate,

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post-linear kind of world now

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where a whole different set of assumptions make sense.

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And they’re archaic assumptions.

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You know, the archaic world was a non-linear,

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pre-literate, ideal, all at once kind of world.

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And the fact that our sensory ratios

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have shifted back in that direction

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makes us very sympathetic,

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very susceptible

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to this re-archaicization

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that wants to go on.

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Thank you.

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Paul.

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Yeah. I guess the ultimate to go on. Thank you. Paul.

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I guess the ultimate psilocybin question

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is can you envision

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in your wildest

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imagination that we as a society

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instead of individuals

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taking mushrooms

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and gaining some enlightenment

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that we will ever be able to do it in an

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organized mass way.

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Do you have that vision?

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You mean that someday it will be legal?

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Legal and encouraged, you know, the mass taking over.

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Well, obviously it would take a total revolution.

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The current thinking is that the big revolutions in the world

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have to do with the internal contradictions

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of Marxist-Leninism

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but it may actually be

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that Marxist-Leninism was a kind of

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partner in a codependent relationship

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with consumer capitalism

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and maybe revolution is just going to become something that

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everybody is into. God knows we could use a perestroika. I mean, we too are ruled by constipated,

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lying bureaucrats who, you know, what are the statistics that 97% of all incumbents are re-elected,

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that there is less turnover in the United States Congress than there was in the higher echelons of the Communist Party of East Germany

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until the wall came down.

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I mean, we love to congratulate ourselves

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on the forward-leaning liberal society that we live in.

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And the truth is, you know,

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it’s a bunch of rattlesnake-handling fundamentalists

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that are much closer to Stalin than they are to FDR

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or anybody else like that.

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Still, I think that the culture crisis

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is going to become so intense

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and the world is going to become so weird as we

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saw on the graph last night

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novelty is going to intensify

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and intensify and

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intensify and even last year when

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Eastern Europe was falling to pieces

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very straight people were

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saying gee it seems as though

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history itself is

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accelerating well

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then there was a lull, so that talk was dropped.

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But I think history is accelerating,

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and the next time it accelerates,

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the talk that this is happening will come around again much louder.

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And pretty soon, by the turn of the century,

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I think it’s going to be hard to hide from anybody who’s paying attention

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the fact that the entire social

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evolution of the planet seems to be caught in some kind of evolutionary meltdown that is imminent

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you know and in that environment uh psilocybin has a chance the the whole drug thing, leave alone psychedelics, the whole drug thing is

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properly understood as a civil rights issue. I mean, people should be able to take whatever

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drugs they damn well please in the same way that they should be able to express their

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sexual preferences, in the same way that women should be allowed to vote, people of low incidence of light reflectivity

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should be treated like everybody else.

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I mean, all these things which are perfectly obvious.

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You cannot have a free society and regulate people’s drug use.

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Any society which sets out to call itself free and democratic

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with the footnote that certain states of mind are forbidden

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is headed down the slippery slopes of totalitarianism.

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There ain’t no way this can be avoided.

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So aside from our belief as a group

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in the wonderful healing and teaching potential of psychedelics, even if psychedelic drugs

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didn’t exist, I would favor the legalization of all drugs because I just think that you

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cannot treat people as though they were infantile. That’s called paternalism. That’s the old

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dominator game. We have to just admit, you know, that we’re all in this together and that nobody

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has cornered the market

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on the truth for sure.

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Yeah.

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Could you talk a little bit more about

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seeing language?

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Well, this is

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to my mind, you know,

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the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow of the psychedelic experience.

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These experiences get stronger and stronger and stronger,

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and then language becomes visible.

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And then if they become any stronger, you fall asleep.

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That seems to be about the outer limit of what the internal

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processors can tolerate.

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Seeing language,

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you know, it’s a mystery, it’s a miracle,

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it’s, I don’t know what it is, it’s

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the thing which keeps me going with

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all of this, because it’s

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the idea that we’re just

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on the brink of some kind of

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transformation of how we communicate with each other

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that will change not only how we communicate

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but who we are

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because see if you could see what I mean

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rather than hear me and run to your internal dictionary

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and look up all my words and then reconstruct my meaning

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but if you could just

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see what i mean then you and i would be very much like the same person because we would be looking

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at the same thing so it’s a tremendous if obviously language is what has knitted us together

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and made us social creatures i mean creatures of our body weight and so forth

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have styles where, you know, the males and the females

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get together only for sex and once a year,

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like mountain lions or something like that.

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But obviously the presence of language

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and our social history as primates

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set us up for living as we do.

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And we have managed to create, through language,

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a monkey troop of five billion people.

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You know, a monkey troop of five billion individuals

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united through the glue of language.

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So it’s an intensification.

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And it’s something shamans do.

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And I think it’s, you know, the real

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social magic

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of shamanism, at least in the Amazon,

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is based around these

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visible

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communication.

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I wanted to

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make a comment about the difference

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between seeing

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and hearing. And comment about the difference between seeing and hearing.

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And it’s the difference between sculpture and music.

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And music and language take place in a succession of elements through time,

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so it requires a duration to understand. But sculpture

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and seeing things, it’s all

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in a single moment.

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At least

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the sculpture that the objects beheld in a

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single moment.

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The aesthetics of an object,

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of a sculptured object, is the relationship

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of part to part and part to the whole in a single

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moment. But music is this

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succession of elements in time.

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And somehow I think that relates to your…

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When you talk about seeing language,

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you’re almost like seeing…

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I remember you talking about seeing little creatures,

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the words being creatures.

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And so then you’re observing these creatures.

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And are they coming out like music through time,

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or can an idea, a sentence be seen all at once?

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They’re coming out through time,

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and a sentence can be seen all at once,

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because in a way your analogy is not apt,

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because sculpture is static.

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But these visible statements are like sculpture made of some magical substance

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which has an internalized program of change.

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The analogy I always make is to the eggs of Fabergé.

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These things are like machines,

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jewels,

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but you can also tell while you’re looking at

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them that they’re statements.

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They’re like, you know how

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people talk about

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beautifully crafted sentences?

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Well, these are beautifully

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crafted sentences, but they’re like

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explicit, interlocking,

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mechanized things

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made out of ivory and glass

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and topaz and chrome

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and just

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and they’re carrying on at a furious

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rate they have a life in time

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I would like to write a

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computer program

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that would be like a

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full paint type program but it would be like a full paint type program

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but it would be for the purpose of

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generating these kinds of objects

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because I’ve seen them a fair bit

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and analyzed what’s going on

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and here’s how it works

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you have a dodecahedron

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or some other complex

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regular polygon

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so that it’s made of surfaces

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and then to each surface you assign complex regular polygon so that it’s made of surfaces.

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And then to each surface you assign a set of color and frequency changes.

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And then each surface can run its program independent of all the other surfaces.

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So you slowly build up a program on each surface.

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But then you can also cut into this polygon

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and remove chunks of it to reveal another polygon inside it

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that can have different programs written for each of its surfaces.

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And then you set these things slowly rotating,

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one within another on several levels,

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and you’re beginning to approach a really shoddy example of what these things are like

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that you see in this space.

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Beats me, you know.

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Most of this stuff is repertoid.

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I’ve heard you speak often about these incredibly complex images

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that you’ve received on psilocybin or DMT.

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I’m just wondering if you’ve ever had an experience of total emptiness or voidness.

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The most profound experience I’ve ever had on psilocybin

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was actually being void of any content at all,

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but not being blanked out or something like that,

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just being aware of it.

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Well, I think this may have something to do

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with philosophical bent and proclivity.

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I never got any of these zenny states,

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the white light, the black light.

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And it’s probably in my personality

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I really stress visual hallucinations

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and people have hassled me about this

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and said you know but psychedelics open your heart

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they do this, they do that

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and all you ever talk about is visions

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it’s because to me the vision

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is the proof,

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and I guess I’m still a skeptic after all these years,

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the vision is the proof that it’s not me.

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Because if I’ve never seen it before,

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hell, I’m willing to grant it’s not me

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if I’ve never seen it before.

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How difficult a character do you have to be, you know? So when there’s things I’ve never seen it before how difficult a character do you have to be you know

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so when there’s things I’ve never

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seen before that are absolutely amazing

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streaming past

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my closed eyelids

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I have to grant that it isn’t

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coming from me

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and that

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thin thread can be the

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basis of a bridge to faith

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if it isn’t me then there’s something out there.

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God, the devil, who knows?

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But at least somebody, now we can begin to have a serious spiritual quest.

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There is a signal.

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We’re getting a signal from the other.

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And it can be pursued.

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But it’s the task of a lifetime.

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Well, now I hear you mention faith, and it seems like yesterday morning you said something

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along the line of, you know, I’m not a believer in any sense of the word.

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But what I wanted to ask you is, in the context of the chemicals in the brain and the pinning

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up land and so forth, what do you think of fasting as a way of altering consciousness?

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Fasting, I think, is probably very effective.

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If you analyze this whole rap here about the early mushrooms and the primates and all that,

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really what’s being said is that diet is the key, that foods are very important.

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And this is what they’re saying about ayahuasca in the Amazon.

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They say half of it is ayahuasca in the Amazon. They say half of it is ayahuasca,

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but the learning of the shamanism

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and the becoming of this superhuman type of personality

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is all in the diet.

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And shamans in the Amazon,

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when they’re trying to establish their credentials with each other,

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do it by saying how long they kept the diet

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somebody will say well I did it for

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two years or something like that

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I just thought of something about the

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shamans in the Amazon

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you know this magic phlegm that they bring up

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what do they do with it

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do they spit it out finally or swallow it back down

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or what

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what do they ultimately do with it

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it’s hard to find out stuff like this

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when you’re a guest at the camp.

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I don’t know.

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I didn’t see where it went.

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Did you see it?

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I’ve seen it.

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Because if they use this

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to pull a disease out of somebody

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or poison or some kind of

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illness-causing thing,

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if it’s like a magnet

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that pulls this out,

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then if they just keep this inside of them,

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that wouldn’t be very safe, I wouldn’t think.

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Well, talking about what it is and judging whether it’s safe or not,

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I mean, what is this flam in the first place?

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I mean, when you’re really there, really dealing with it,

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you’re pushed toward ideas like that it’s a zone,

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it’s a zone of space-time which repels English.

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What?

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You know, I mean, in other words, it’s a magical substance.

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It comes out of their body.

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Calling it phlegm is because we’re following some anthropologist in the 1920s

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who, you know, went back to his tent scratching his head

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and tried to figure out what the nearest analogy to this was.

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But what they do is they also, in some of these tribes,

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the story goes that they can force this stuff out on the surface of their skin.

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And I don’t know what this is about,

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but I have had ayahuasca visions

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where it’s like a black field

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and suddenly there’s a huge, huge black hand

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and I can see in the lines of this hand jewels

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and it’s just there, this black hand.

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It’s not your hand.

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It’s not my hand, it’s a black hand.

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Where does it come from?

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I mean, is it on your hand?

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No, it’s like in a vision.

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And then I see in the lines

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that this, what I thought were jewels,

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is some kind of sweat,

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which is seeping out.

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And you look deeper into this stuff

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and you see, you know,

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that wonderful line from 2001.

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My God, there are stars

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in here.

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It’s completely

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disoriented.

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No, the magic, the magic

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is real. I have no idea

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how far you can go.

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One of the paradoxes of what

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we’re doing here in this room is

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you know, here I sit.

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I have two children, a wife, a mortgage, book contracts, lawyer, all this.

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Here you sit with whatever you brought to this.

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And we’re talking about this stuff.

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If any one of us cared to,

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we could turn ourselves into something that none of the rest of us could relate to at all.

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We could become a sage.

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You know, you could go up onto Cold Mountain

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and those of us left down in the valley would say,

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oh yes, I saw him three years ago up in the mist,

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naked as a jaybird hauling firewood out of the woods.

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These places,

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there’s no barrier between you and these places,

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except you’re, is that what you want?

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Do you want to become utterly incomprehensible to the community

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because you are so deep into the unspeakable?

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Maybe.

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And that’s what a shaman is.

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A shaman is somebody who’s just on the edge.

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They just have one finger back in the world of the rest of us and then they’re in this stuff.

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Well, seeking that used to be called the spiritual quest. But as I said to you, you know, we found

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the means to do that. We found the answer, you the answer you just go and live in the wilderness

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and take mushrooms

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and kohang, move over

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but what to do about that

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I don’t know

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I really don’t know

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because I’m attracted to it

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I want to go as far as I can go

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but when you realize that you can go so far

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that nobody will even remember that you ever existed,

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the other can close over you so utterly.

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The reason I ask this is because a lot of times they say

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that gurus and different people take on the karma

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of the people that they heal or they work with.

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You’ve probably heard this theory before.

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So I wondered when these shamans were healing,

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if they magnetized out some kind of illness or something,

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where does that go?

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Well, they have, yes.

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They’re very concerned about the power of this illness

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and they have techniques.

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And many times after a big curing,

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a shaman will fall sick.

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And if you want to understand this,

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read Jung’s book called On the Psychology of the Transference.

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It’s the same in all cultures.

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You must be able to turn back the transference if you’re a healer.

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Otherwise you’ll be killed ultimately.

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And all psychiatrists, psychotherapists understand this, or if they

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don’t, they’re at great peril.

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Did anyone happen to see a film called From Beyond? And the premise was that there was

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a machine that induced visions into the spiritual realm and stimulated the pineal gland. And

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what happens is a couple people, the inventor

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and someone else, on the machine, and the pineal gland started growing out of their

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forehead.

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Ah, Hollywood.

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It was big on special effects. And the one guy, his whole body was just like totally

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transformed, you know, and he was always, you know, on this machine and so forth.

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It reminded me of what your, you know,

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kind of electronic…

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Version.

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Artificial version of…

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Yeah, well, this is also coming, you know,

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artificial technologies.

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Where are we in this process?

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Yeah.

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Well, I’m quite satisfied with questions at the moment,

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but I’m commenting on that with respect to the pineal gland and visions.

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You know, the pineal gland feeds directly from the ocular nerve

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with no interceding brain tissue.

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It’s just a direct connection.

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So the colors that one takes in are directly

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responsible for the particular secretions of that gland, which is one of the reasons

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why television is described as being difficult on people and causes real hormonal problems

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if you watch it enough because you’re dealing with a very restricted spectrum of colors and that sort of thing. The additional thought occurred to me that everyone who’s watching television

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at the same time, their nervous system is being pulsed at 30 times a second, even though

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they’re not conscious of it. But every TV set in the whole United States is exactly

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in sync with each other all at 30 times a second.

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It’s like this sub-audible dial tone that’s going through everyone’s brains,

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which has kind of an ominous tone to it.

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The one comment I wanted to make was,

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having recently read a book by Gurdjieff called Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson,

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which is about the only book I’ve ever read

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that even pertains to the sort of cosmic timescale

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that Terence talks about enough.

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And one of the warnings in the beginning of the book

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was that if you read this with enough attention

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that you’ll eventually lose the taste for your favorite dessert

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and the particularly attractive person across the street

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that you like to watch won’t seem nearly so interesting anymore.

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So be forewarned, you may not want to read this stuff.

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And to a certain extent, I feel that’s quite possible.

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You think the cosmic view kills the trivial, the joy of trivial?

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The joy of trivial.

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The curse of mysticism.

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Well, I don’t know.

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Your thing about television and everybody being in sync,

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one of the most creative and eccentric explanations

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ever dreamed up for flying saucers

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rested on the fact that the guy said,

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in the United States, you know, on an average evening,

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40 million people are all in sync watching TV.

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And if there then is a storm on the sun,

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it acts as a kind of coherent energy beam

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which illuminates these millions of psyches

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that are all synchronized by watching television.

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And it causes an image of an archetype

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to be projected into space on the other side of the planet.

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Not my theory.

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Well, definitely in image processing,

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when you want to, you know, computer image processing,

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when you want to draw a very fuzzy sort of pattern,

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quite often what you do is interfere with that,

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another regular pattern on top of it, and see how these two patterns co-mingle such that you’ll get an accentuated thing

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as a result.

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And this 30 Hz dial tone is definitely sort of illuminating this other aspect of the imagination,

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it would seem.

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Maybe?

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You ought to read A Wrinkle in Time.

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Have you read that?

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No.

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Read A Wrinkle in Time.

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It’s supposed to be a children’s story. It’s almost exactly what you just in Time. Have you read that? No.

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Read A Wrinkle in Time.

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It’s especially a children’s story.

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It’s almost exactly what you just said.

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Uh-huh.

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It’s a great story.

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By?

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Madeline Lingo.

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Read the whole trilogy.

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It’s great.

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Yeah.

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It’s almost exactly what you just said.

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It’s great.

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Back there.