Program Notes
Guest speaker: Nick Sand
In his 2006 Palenque Norte lecture at Burning Man, Nick Sand explains how best to use some of the more interesting combinations of sacred medicines. Additionally he answered a wide range of questions that included such diverse topics as the relationship of the atomic bomb to LSD and the reasons he left the quiet life of academia to create Orange Sunshine, which was considered to be some of the best acid available in the 1960s.
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Transcript
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Greetings from cyberdelic space, this is Lorenzo and I’m your host here in the psychedelic
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salon. Greetings from cyberdelic space. This is Lorenzo and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.
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The other day a friend sent me a few comments about this podcast that he picked up from various blogs.
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And my favorite one was someone who said, and I quote,
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I don’t know who this dude Lorenzo is, but if you can get by his lame and annoying introductions
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and then put up with the bad sound quality,
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the talks he’s posting aren’t too bad.
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What I really like about that comment
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is that I think it’s a great compliment to all of our speakers
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since he’s obviously willing to put up with me
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in order to get to the meat of the program.
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So thanks for listening, everyone,
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and particularly thanks to all of you out there
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who are hoping that this will be a short introduction today.
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Actually, I probably should dedicate this program to that observant blogger.
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It’s quite obvious that this introduction is already lame and annoying,
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but the sound quality today is really going to drive him nuts.
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The talk you’re about to hear was given on Saturday afternoon in the big tent at Entheon Village at Burning Man this year.
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And by then we were on backup power, which required using a smaller sound system.
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So my cassette tape recording of today’s program has even lower than average sound quality.
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Now in order to make up for this, I plan on doing a telephone interview with Nick sometime
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in the not-too-distant future, and I’ll tell you more about that after we hear today’s
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program.
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Now, you’d better get prepared to strain a little to hear Nick speaking, particularly
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in the beginning, because there was a huge group of people surrounding the Shulkins who
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had just finished their presentation and were doing their best to get out of that overcrowded
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tent in order to make room for the next talk.
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Now that I think about it, what you are about to hear is exactly what it sounded like where
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I was sitting with my recorder, which was about five feet away from Nick and next to,
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but not in front of, one
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of the little loudspeakers we were using.
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And for the hundreds of you who were in the tent that day and listening to it live, well,
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this may be even more clear than what you were able to hear in person.
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Right now, I’d better quit with this lame and annoying introduction and let you hear
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what Nick Sand had to say about synergistic combinations in the future
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when he gave his Planque Norte lecture at the 2006 Burning Man Festival.
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We’ll pick up right after my introduction when Nick explained why he decided to make the transition from a quiet life in academia
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to becoming the underground hero of the 60s who blessed the world with orange sunshine, arguably the best acid ever made.
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Ah, those were the days, my friends, those lazy, crazy days
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when it was still legal to make LSD and DMT.
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Why someone who is basically a straight person in the academic world would devote himself to a life of crime?
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And the reason for that can be said in two words.
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Atomic bomb.
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And when I grew up, I grew up under the shadow of the atomic bomb.
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And my father was on the second rank of the Manhattan Project
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and also the Chicago substitute alloy metals that made the first fissionable uranium.
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So I was very impacted by this growing up and watching the horrific destruction of and vaporization of cities
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and people and thought to myself, there’s got to be a better way than this. One of my
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father’s exchange students was an Indian who I knew as Raja. I thought that was his name.
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But he was actually a Raja from India, studying under my father at Columbia and Brooklyn Poly to get his PhD in chemistry.
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He taught me yoga and began to realize that besides the scientific background, which would open the spiritual world to me.
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And soon discovered LSD, mescaline, ENT.
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And in those days, they were research chemicals.
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They were easily obtained by simply walking into a fine organic house and saying,
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I’d like your catalog number 1468D, like sur surgic acid, and I have limited charge rate fees.
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Oh, good, yes sir. And how much would you like to get?
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Oh, I said, this week I’ll just have a tenth of a gram,
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and I’m dressed in capstoon boots,
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and paisley pants,
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and you know, all this.
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And they thought this was very novel,
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and I started to be friends with the presidents
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of these fine organic houses,
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and making comments, compounds for them.
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Rare intermediates that I would lose were making DMT and DET and LSD and mescaline,
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and I would sell them to intermediates, which they could then resell to people interested in this.
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These compounds.
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As I started to use psychedelics, my first experience was mescaline. And I had
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such a profound experience taking mescaline. I did it with a three-day fast, meditation,
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yoga. I believe strongly in elaborate preparation for a psychedelic sacrament.
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I think these are healing medicines, all of them,
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either the synthesized ones and also the plant healthers.
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I believe also that they can be used successfully and creatively for recreational use, and they
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can be also used for deep spiritual use.
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As the time went on, I had to make a decision, because the restrictions began to be applied
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by the FDA, who at that time were the only people who had any involvement with this.
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And so they would come around and they would say,
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Oh, Mr. Sand, I see you’re here on this list of people who have bought this experimental compound,
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D-Lysergy, for us to die out from intarsia.
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Not that they could ever pronounce it correctly, but they attempted to.
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And I said, Oh oh yes, that was
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really interesting. I got this, came with a
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little teeny vial, and as I opened the package
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it dropped and fell on the floor
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and you see that little stain?
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That’s where it went to. He said, yeah, but what about
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the two pounds of mescaline that you ordered?
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Oh, the mescaline. That was
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great. We used to put that on the cereal every
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morning. It was wonderful.
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That was a very bright, sparkly day. It was all fine. I said, oh, well, if you get any more, would you please return it to the FDA or to the chemical group? Absolutely, sir. No problem.
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to be able to do the job that it had been appointed to do, which is to guard our safety and to guarantee the purity of the drugs and the safety of those drugs that we take.
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And that because of this weird gray zone that turned into a black zone of draconian and and equally politically motivated laws, which had nothing to do with safety testing or anything like this,
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the drugs became more and more illegal.
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And as a result of people having to go deeper underground,
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they did not have the ability to find pure psychedelics.
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So then a lot of problems occurred. In fact, many
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years after I was arrested, I had the opportunity to speak to the head of the
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DEA, chemist Bob Sager, and he said, you know, Nikki, when I was so, I was so glad
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when I busted you, and I was able to provide all the evidence.
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As we started to investigate this evidence,
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I noticed that all the orange sunshine tablets were exactly 300 likes,
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not 299, not 301.
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I was kind of perplexed at how you managed to get such great precision.
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Then we started analyzing the material,
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and we found it was absolutely pure, one spot material.
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And then I began to wonder about what I had done.
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And when we had got you safely away in prison,
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I realized I had done a disservice to the public,
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because the rotten mixture that had come after that that poisoned so many people were actually
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the results of our work.
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Eventually I developed Orange Sunshine with Robert Timothy Scully, who was a disciple of Augustus
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Alzi Stanley, who was the man who did the first production runs of LSD that
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really kicked off the whole psychedelic revolution. And that was White Lightning, made by Housley.
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And he was very motivated to me. He kicked me in the ass about the purity of my compounds
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and made me perfect my art so that I could produce really pure compounds.
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Eventually, I wound up in prison in Canada, where I had finally apprehended after 22 years of being a fugitive.
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I was given a 15-year sentence for the manufacture
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of orange sunshine. And these days, that’s a very small sentence. And those days, it
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was a very large sentence. And during this time, I wrote a book. And the book is called
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Psychedelic Secrets, a manual for the use of psychedelic sacraments.
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It has not yet been published.
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But I would like to discuss one chapter in that book, which I wrote in 1997, called Synergy.
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And the reason I started using synergistic combinations, and the Shultzens touched on that,
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using synergistic combinations and the children’s touched on that and one of the things that Sasha enlightened me about was when I asked the same question
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that someone here asked was about drug combinations now there’s two ways to go
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in seeking new experiences in the psychedelic world.
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There’s looking for new compounds,
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and then there’s also looking to how you can creatively and safely combine these.
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And it turns out that many of the basic psychedelics are monamine oxidase inhibitors,
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very mild monamine oxidase inhibitors,
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which means that they will interfere with the body’s process of detoxifying them and eliminating them from the system.
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So you will get enhanced effects, but you will get different effects.
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And with certain combinations, you will get improved effects.
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Because, as Sasha says, you must consider these as entirely new drugs.
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Because when you combine them,
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you do want to start off very low
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and work on to an area.
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And there are three things you must consider.
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One is dosage.
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Dosage requirements can change in combination.
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Two is order. Which order do you take? Which part of the combination?
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And the third is timing. How do you do the timing? How much space do you leave in between?
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And I would just like to share some of the sacred combinations. I’ve done a lot of combinations. For myself, I have found the drugs that are, let me say, sacraments,
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since I’m not a great fan of Nancy Regan’s Just Say No to Drugs. In a country that uses more drugs per capita than any one in the world.
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The sacraments that I consider the true ones are mescaline, DMT, psilocybin, LSD, andogaine. I consider these the five most sacred.
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Now, one of them is an artificial. The other comes from the plant
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elders. The other two that I have found have been
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the MDMA family of
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pathogens, and they open the heart.
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Having studied through G, I began to look at this, the physical, emotional, and mental centers as a way of understanding which drugs affect which part and how they do it and how to combine them with this in mind. For instance, one of the combinations that you can use is MDMA and LSD. Now, they will combine in different ways in terms of
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which is the initial one and which is the non-initial one. For instance, if you take NDMA first, which is
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my preferred way to do it, people do it the other way. This is sometimes referred to as
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candy flip. I refer to these as synergistic combinations. The synergy is a combination
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of two drugs which will give you an experience which is
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different from either of the two but it may be an enhanced version like as in a hybrid.
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You can sometimes bring out the best qualities of both sides of the thing that you’re combining.
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You can also bring out the worst side so when you’re working with synergistic combinations you have to keep this in
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mind dosage order timing so the first synergy I did was very very early on in
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the 60s and this was LSD and in about the eighth or tenth hour was to smoke the empty and the
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spiritual visionary experiences of that combination are pretty fantastic. And you do get into
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this place where people will say, oh you you’re not ready for this. Go back.
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No, you’re not high anymore. Goodbye.
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Or you go into higher and higher realms
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and you start to get messages about what you can do.
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For instance, I think I became very enamored of psychedelics
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when I was in my latter years of studying anthropology. And I had
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lived with Maria Sabinas down in Oaxaca and had been initiated the mushroom ceremony with her.
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Sort of followed in Hoffman’s footsteps. And so one night me and my little two lab techs
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were tripping and we decided to take some DMT, which was kind of scary.
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It was like the early 60s. We had never thought of combining two things. God knows what’s
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going to happen. And so I took out my DMT pipe, and I smoked some DMT about the 10th hour of LSD and the heavens opened up
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and I saw some things that were just truly amazing. So smoking DMT at the end of an LSD
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trip I think is a good combination and one that you can titrate by smoking a little bit,
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smoking a little bit more, smoking a little bit more during the LSD trip
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and you can slowly work up to the level that is the most cosmic and the most comfortable for you at the same time.
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So I thought, well that was interesting.
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So I started looking for other synergistic combinations.
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And the next synergistic combination I came across
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was combining another tryptamine with LSD,
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which was closely related to DMC,
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which was psychedelic mushrooms.
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And I think I was listening to The Beatles’ Abbey Road album and it was She’s So Heavy.
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And I was coming on first. I took psilocybin because I wanted the more gentle and motherly effects of psilocybin to come on first.
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Then I took about 2 grams and then I took 200
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mics of acid. This is fairly robust doses. And rainbows started growing out of the
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air. It was quite exquisite and beautiful rainbow waterfalls of sound. It was a synesthetic where you perceive one sense as another sense.
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And so I was synesthizing the colors from the music in my visual field.
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And that was also a deeply spiritual and very beautiful experience.
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Moving on to later years, I got into more and more elaborate combinations, and one of
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them I call the synergy.
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And there are, it took me many years to work this out.
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I started this about 15 years ago,
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and I worked on it until the time I was arrested in 96.
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And this is a very interesting,
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and it’s a rather esoteric combination.
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It is starting off with a small amount of GHB, a sub-threshold dose. We found
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that GHB seems to have an anti-neurotoxic it seems to be neuroprotective
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so if you take it
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not only is the onset of
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MDMA smoother
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and more beautiful
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you have much less come down
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and you have much more facility
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during the trip
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so after
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many years of perfecting
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this and combining with 2C-B, 2C-B also at the end of an MDMA trip is very nice
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because it tends to put your legs back under you and diminish the neurotoxic effects or the hangover
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or however you want to talk about what happens after an MDMA trip.
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So what we wound up doing was taking a sub-threshold dose and timing it
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so it would come on about 10 minutes before the MDMA came on.
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Then we would allow that to simmer and allow the love space between us.
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I was doing this with my partner.
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And when that love space had established itself, we would then take a little bit of Cialis
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a little bit of Cialis or Viagra,
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because MDMA is not a really erectile-y potent combination.
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And then we would get it to the adiab,
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and we would then take ketamine.
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And so ketamine affects the psychedelic.
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MDMA opens the heart space
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and
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the other components
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work on harmonizing
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the physical centers.
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You get the three centers working
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in harmony and you move
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into a place that we call the God plane,
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which is an exquisite place to be in.
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Yes, yes. And the MDMA, by the way. Intramuscular MDMA injection. If you have a pharmaceutical-pure verified source, which of course has been my mission all my life,
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to do that, yeah, it’s a very smooth, rapid onset with minimal effects
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and seems to not go through the liver but goes through into the bloodstream of the brain first.
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We’ll have questions in a minute.
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We’ll have a question and answer period.
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So MDMA is a wonderful thing to take.
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You find that your heart opens and that you’re in a very loving space.
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You allow this space to open.
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But what happens when you come down?
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The next day you might be a little depressed.
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You might look at this as kind of a one-off.
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Gee, I had this great love experience,
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but I don’t feel that way anymore.
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So the second day we started to take LSD.
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Now LSD is an imprinted.
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So what we found happening was that besides the usual joy and hilarity of LSD, we found that the love space that we had developed on the first day was
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now imprinted. And so as far as under proper guidance, I think this would be a wonderful marital aid.
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Because as time went on, I just got closer and closer to that person rather than getting tired of that person.
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Anyway, so there are some of the synergistic effects of some of the combinations.
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Does anyone have any questions?
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Maybe if you come up here and use this mic, then everybody can hear, and you don’t have to repeat the question.
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It will go a lot quicker.
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So that might be a better way to do this.
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If you could clarify about the dosages that you took of the ketamine and MDMA and such like.
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Timing and dosage.
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Okay.
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I think I’ve gone into the timing.
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The dosage for MDMA would be 125 to 140.
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And usually, if either orally or by injection, IM injection in two halves over ten minutes. A very, very smooth way to come on to it.
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Ketamine, again, varies.
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You want to get to the place where you open up the psychedelic part.
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See, ketamine is classified as an anesthetic,
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but I think that’s an improper and politically motivated classification
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because actually you have to name a drug for its primary effect.
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And the primary effect of ketamine is a dissociative psychedelic,
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whereas its anesthetic effects don’t really manifest
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until you get up into around a gram at one time IV, whereas IM injections would be the 50 to 100 milligram range.
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The female partners usually take about 50 to 55.
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I take about 65 milligrams for each shot.
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You can also do multiple boosters with both half doses of ecstasy at the three-hour
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periods and also the ketamine, all chained between them. The GHB with sub-threshold doses all the way through the trip, about a gram
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of a pure crystal.
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Usually, whatever your dose is, like if someone gives you some GHB as a dissolution, you take
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4 ml or 6 ml.
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Take half and continue before the trip and just as it started to come on,
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you should have a timed that the MDMA is coming on also.
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First, the GHB comes on, then a few minutes later,
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it takes a little bit of practice and timing,
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how long does it take for onset for MDMA for me
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and then time your GHB ingestion accordingly.
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The boosters, about 60 for the MDMA,
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and boosters for ketamine would be the same as the initial dose.
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Right here, Nick.
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Why don’t you come on over here if you want to ask a question,
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and we’ll kind of organize.
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Hi, Nick.
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I heard you speak for the first time at John Hanna’s mind-stay conferences.
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I think it was maybe three or four, one of those.
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And I really appreciate your very loving, warm delivery of this information.
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It touched me very deeply.
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I wanted to ask you, I smoke DMT in a closed glass bowl because it’s so rare and hard to get that I don’t want to waste it.
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But how many times can you continually, because it has a low melting point, so it evaporates and then solidifies.
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because it has a low melting point, so it evaporates and then solidifies.
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So at some point, does it start to get toxic, or is it always the same?
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We return back to its original state. Are you talking about the material that condenses at the bottom?
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That condenses on the bowl and then to reuse it.
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Right. You can reuse it. I have reused it.
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It’s weaker, and it’s less pure. There are pyrogenic breakdown
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products, which I have not found personally to be harmful. But what I try to do is put
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the DMT on a substrate, which will totally absorb it so it doesn’t drip through, and
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then enough stainless steel screens under
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that to catch anything that comes through.
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Inside the bowl it’s just really nice because it’s just collected in one location.
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You can just re-ring that.
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Yeah, if you have it trapped in that bowl and you’re just doing the vapors, you just
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do it until it’s no longer effective I have a couple questions
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one of them is what’s the effect of
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mixing MDMA with psilocybin
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and the other one is
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don’t know it’s your first one
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I’ve never done it but I look forward to it
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if you have any experiences
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with being in a particular drug like but actually having like an ayahuasca experience.
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Because I’ve had ketamine where I was listening to an ayahuasca song and I’m singing this foreign song I don’t know.
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And everything about it seemed ayahuasca and I thought maybe I was brought upon by the music.
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And also it seemed at certain dosages that all these high dosages of ketamine and acid
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seemed very, very similar.
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And I wonder if there’s a crossover at a very, very high point.
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Well, personally, I have not found that LSD and ketamine combine well at all.
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And certain times I’ve seen people take them together and it’s been okay.
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So the end of the acid trip.
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I wouldn’t recommend that combination.
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That’s one of the synergistic combinations I avoid.
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And my friends.
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MDMA and psilocybin?
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Yes, MDMA and psilocybin I have not tried, nor have I tried it with DMC, which is a sparing compound.
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So I’m sorry, I can’t help you with that.
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Maybe next spring.
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You started out by mentioning that you became interested in psychedelic research because of the atom bomb.
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And that reflects an idea that I’ve heard here a lot,
00:30:21 ►
that psychedelics are not going to just change us, but they’re going to change society. And I’m struggling with this idea because in my psychedelic community
00:30:29 ►
back in Chicago, I find it very difficult to motivate people even to write a letter
00:30:34 ►
to their representative about something we all agree on, like pot legalization. And I’m
00:30:39 ►
becoming cynical about the idea that psychedelics are really going to change society, especially
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since I saw it before in 1968. And I guess I’d like you to kind of comment about that.
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Give me a more specific question. That’s a pretty broad idea.
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I guess I would like to understand what evidence people see that psychedelics are actually changing the structure of society,
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rather than just themselves on some level.
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I see a disconnect.
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This is society.
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Right.
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Well, I mean, we are conditioned in our lives to think of ourselves in different ways,
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to act in different ways, you know, to act in different ways,
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in different roles.
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When I’m in school, I act a certain way.
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When I’m with my parents, I act a different way.
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When I’m with my children, I act a different way. We all have many roles that we use.
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Now, how does psychedelics change the world?
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No fucking idea. But I will tell you some stories that have been rather foundational for me. When I got out of prison, I went to a meeting of people who were interested in discussing psychedelics.
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They don’t take them. They just talk about them. Scientists and spiritualists
00:32:07 ►
and so on. And I was led over to this one table where there were four guys about my
00:32:15 ►
age, you know, within five or ten years. And they were all discussing their early LSD experiences.
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And I said, well, you know, I was brought up under the shadow
00:32:27 ►
of the atomic bomb, and I think that had a large, you know, effect on me. And the juxtaposition
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of the discovery of LSD the first time, where nothing was discovered of any activity, and the second time, by Hoffman’s presentiment, brought the discovery of LSD
00:32:49 ►
to within a few weeks or months of the first detonation of an atomic bomb.
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So we have a correlation here, and if there is a kind of a parity or a balance in nature where one thing happens, it has another butterfly effect and all this kind of things.
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Why is it that LSD was suddenly discovered to be effective right after the atomic bomb was exploded?
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So, I discussed this with this group of people, and mentioned that my father was one of the key workers of the Manhattan Project and the Chicago Project.
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And the guy next to me, it turns out, as we started talking, we were all ex-LSD manufacturers or major distributors.
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And so the guy next to me said, well, you know, that’s very interesting. I kind of got interested because my father was a co-pilot of the Enola Gay,
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which is the delivery airplane for the first Islamic bomb.
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And he said, because of that, I feel I got really involved in LSD.
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And the next guy spoke up and he said, oh yes, well my father did this on the Chicago project.
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The other guy said, well my father did this. And I said, isn’t that interesting?
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We’re all LSD manufacturers or distributors on a large scale, and every one of us has a father from the last generation
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who had been involved in the development of atomic weaponry.
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So it’s a curious thing. In the 60s, we were all becoming disillusioned with the Vietnam War,
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and LSD brought this into a sharper focus when people were already getting tired of it,
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and it became something that may have been, may be attributed to the death knell of the
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Vietnamese war. I think the same situation is starting to obtain now vis-à-vis the Iraq
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war and the reconfiguration by the neocons of the Middle East,
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bringing us into wars which are tiresome, unfair, illegal, murderous, and so on,
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just the same as Vietnam.
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And so I had this feeling, just it’s a feeling,
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there’s no way you can prove anything like this,
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that LSD has its own intelligence, and that it was put here for us to explore and help our own intelligence develop,
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and that if it’s used intelligently and methodically and consistently, slowly, slowly, you will start to learn more and more things about yourself.
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Does that change the world?
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Not anything more than anything else,
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but it is another evolutionary development that’s occurred.
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Hi.
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A few years ago, I came upon a sheet of blotter that was a very, very interesting experience.
00:36:08 ►
It was a different, it was like LSD, same kind of curve, same basic experience, same duration,
00:36:17 ►
but a markedly different effect.
00:36:21 ►
Less visual, more spiritual, smoother, just put you into a different place, slightly
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different place. And pretty much everybody who experienced this had, almost everybody
00:36:34 ►
who experienced this had some kind of spiritual experience or religious experience taking
00:36:39 ►
this. So after this we were all very intrigued and we did whatever research we could to try to figure it out
00:36:48 ►
and discovered that there was some anecdotal evidence of an analog or variation on LSD
00:36:55 ►
that had been made back in your time.
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And I felt that there was a possibility that you would be the man who would know something about it.
00:37:08 ►
I did make analogs of LSD.
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None of them have been as interesting as LSD itself.
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But I too have had that experience.
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And, you know, I think it was Diogenes that said you can’t step into the same river twice and we
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are rivering all the time and sometimes you take a psychedelic you do all the preparations and the
00:37:37 ►
hawks fly over and crow and caw and you say oh this a auspicious sign and we have fasted and we have cleaned the
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house and everything is perfect.
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We are in perfect harmony.
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This is going to be a great, we have a lot to trip.
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And sometimes
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just totally exhausted,
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wiped out, this is not a good time
00:37:58 ►
to trip. Oh shit, let’s trip because we don’t have
00:38:00 ►
time to do that. And it turns out
00:38:02 ►
absolutely beautiful.
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So, can you put your finger on mystery?
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I don’t think so, because if you do, then it’s no longer mystery.
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And it’s possible there’s some undiscovered analog.
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What year was this?
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This was about three years ago.
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Very nondescript, large plot of paper.
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And the effects, I mean, this was a very precious piece of paper
00:38:34 ►
that has been carefully doled out.
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So I’ve had the opportunity to compare back and forth, back and forth.
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And it’s the same experience every time.
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So, unbelievable.
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I heard the previous guy say DMT is hard to get and so on.
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I’ve been using salvinorum, which seems to be easy to get and legal.
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Why not?
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Isn’t that DMT is the most active ingredient there?
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No, no, no.
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It’s salvinorum A, which is an entirely different chemical
00:39:09 ►
and not in the tryptamine family at all.
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Oh, okay. I’ll go back to experimenting.
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Hi, you had us on your list of sacraments.
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You didn’t include ayahuasca. Is that because there are two different plants involved?
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No, I didn’t include ayahuasca because the main ingredient that does everything in ayahuasca is dimethylchipamine.
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And the beta-carbolines that accompany it, which are strong motorine oxidase inhibitors,
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are the ones that make DMT orally active.
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But it’s still DMT, and it’s still, whether you smoke it, inject it, take it with a monamine oxidase inhibitor,
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it’s still DMT. It acts in different ways.
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When you have a longer time to adjust to it, sometimes that’s a big help.
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to adjust to it. Sometimes that’s a big help. But the DMT is, along with the cocaine, messed with the three most curative drugs. DMT is by far the most curative of all the drugs.
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And it’s a real art learning how to use it.
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Okay, thanks.
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Hi, thanks for coming and speaking. My question was, I guess I did LSD maybe like 1995.
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What did you say again?
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I started doing LSD maybe 1995, and then it was kind of full of water, it was cheap, I needed to get it.
00:40:33 ►
I was young, I was going to break that show, it needed to be everywhere.
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Let’s talk about it five years later.
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Maybe a few years ago, I noticed people were selling for 15 a hit. And then,
00:40:45 ►
you know, I heard stories about what happened. And I was just wondering, you know, how do
00:40:49 ►
you, how do you even know, like, if your LSD is real? Or what’s the state of LSD today?
00:40:53 ►
We can talk about what happened to LSD 40 years ago, or 30 years ago, or 10 years ago.
00:40:57 ►
Like, what’s the state of LSD today? Is it, the LSD you get, is it similar to what existed
00:41:01 ►
30 years ago? And this stuff coming out today,
00:41:05 ►
why is it so, I just wonder why it’s so complicated?
00:41:08 ►
Like, if LSC’s such a good thing,
00:41:09 ►
why can’t it just be out there?
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Could LSC be out there?
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It just seems like, it seems simple to me.
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Like, I have no idea.
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No, I don’t think that you would.
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Well, not seeing the impression is a very good start
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with that.
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I mean, if we didn’t have these Draconian laws,
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LSD could be
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manufactured and it could be
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dosed out properly and
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stored in the
00:41:36 ►
proper way. For instance, when I made
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Orange Sunshine, LSD is known
00:41:40 ►
for it being
00:41:41 ►
extremely unstable
00:41:44 ►
and will break down over
00:41:46 ►
periods of time, even under the best
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conditions. But on Sunshine,
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someone gave me one that was 30
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years old, and I tried it,
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and it was still fully potent.
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It’s made correctly.
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It’s packaged correctly.
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It will keep its potency.
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But, you know,
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market forces, supply and demand,
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irresponsible manufacturers
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who don’t even purify their compounds
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take the reaction mixture, dissolve it,
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pour it on paper, evenly, unevenly,
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it doesn’t matter. Some people take 10 strips,
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they don’t feel anything. Some people take one
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and they’re overdosed.
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So it has to do with responsibility in manufacturing.
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And LSD is difficult to purify.
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It’s difficult to work with.
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How is the LSD today?
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Pardon?
00:42:38 ►
How is the LSD today?
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Oh, there’s fine LSD available.
00:42:41 ►
You just have to find out, you know, by doing careful research, who’s getting the good LSD, where You just have to find out by doing careful research
00:42:45 ►
who’s getting the good LSD,
00:42:48 ►
where are they getting it, can you get some,
00:42:50 ►
what dosage does it seem
00:42:52 ►
to be, and figure that
00:42:54 ►
out responsibly. Just don’t take
00:42:56 ►
any shit that’s on the street.
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Do some research.
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Work on it. If you want
00:43:02 ►
to have a spiritual experience,
00:43:04 ►
then you really need
00:43:05 ►
to look for
00:43:06 ►
sacred material that’s been
00:43:08 ►
prepared in a sacred way,
00:43:10 ►
with respect for the material and the
00:43:12 ►
people that are taking it, which has been
00:43:14 ►
what I’ve done all my life.
00:43:20 ►
Hi.
00:43:20 ►
Hi.
00:43:22 ►
I did some Orange Sunshine at a dead concert
00:43:24 ►
in 1970. It was really good. Thank you for that.
00:43:29 ►
You’re very welcome.
00:43:31 ►
On behalf of the three other friends, we split it four ways. It came in a Christmas card, and it was the best ever. Now I did a lot of LSD during the 70s, haven’t much since then.
00:43:48 ►
I was invited to candy flip later today. So, any advice? You said you did.
00:43:59 ►
Absolutely. I’ve done a lot of candy flipping. And candy flipping is great
00:44:05 ►
because it combines the heart space.
00:44:08 ►
In effect, the synergy I was describing before
00:44:11 ►
is kind of like a long, stretched out candy flip
00:44:15 ►
because you take ecstasy the first day
00:44:17 ►
and you re-imprint the love experience the second day.
00:44:20 ►
Very good for relationships.
00:44:23 ►
Candy flipping itself,
00:44:22 ►
second day. Very good for relationships.
00:44:23 ►
Candy flipping itself,
00:44:25 ►
you know, it’s like
00:44:27 ►
depends on your basic
00:44:29 ►
biochemical predisposition.
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Personally,
00:44:34 ►
when I
00:44:35 ►
do the LSD
00:44:38 ►
MDMA synergy,
00:44:40 ►
I prefer to take
00:44:41 ►
the MDMA first,
00:44:44 ►
allow the hard experience to develop, and then take the LSD, which then puts the sparkle into it.
00:44:52 ►
So are you talking an hour?
00:44:56 ►
Wait until you start to feel the MDMA come on, and then take the acid.
00:45:01 ►
I did MDMA one time before just by itself,
00:45:09 ►
and I noticed that it was not a similar duration to an LSD experience.
00:45:09 ►
No, it’s not.
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What will happen is that you’ll have the LSD, DMT, LSD, MDMA experience.
00:45:21 ►
The synergy lasts longer in combination.
00:45:25 ►
The MDMA is usually about 4-5 hours and the synergistic
00:45:28 ►
combination of LSD and MDAA
00:45:30 ►
usually goes a good 6-7
00:45:32 ►
hours
00:45:33 ►
so it extends
00:45:35 ►
again, as Sasha says
00:45:37 ►
combinations are a new drug
00:45:40 ►
experience
00:45:41 ►
and so as soon as
00:45:44 ►
you feel the MDMA starting to come on that way, come
00:45:47 ►
on, take your LSD. Okay, because the only time I’d ever take LSD in a crowd back in
00:45:53 ►
the day was at a Grateful Dead concert. So thank you, Burners, for making an old hippie
00:45:57 ►
feel welcome.
00:46:07 ►
Good afternoon.
00:46:09 ►
Nice to see you.
00:46:10 ►
Thank you for sharing.
00:46:16 ►
My name’s Natalie, and I just wanted to say thank you for what you just said about setting the intention.
00:46:22 ►
I think what I got from creating sacred medicine and being conscious of that, I think that’s a great message for all of us.
00:46:25 ►
Like you said, be aware of what we are imbibing in. With that said, I’d like to share that
00:46:31 ►
there are several physicians that I know in the area that I’m from who are using things
00:46:36 ►
like Evagame to help people, and it’s very successful in breaking some big walls down at drug addiction. So that’s an important thing that needs to be further explored.
00:46:50 ►
Also seeing several physicians using targeted amino acid therapy in helping to sustain both psychedelic experiences and also to shift people who are crossing the line into an addictive
00:47:06 ►
state. With that said, my question for you is do you have, and would you like to
00:47:15 ►
share experience with Amanita Muscaria, that mushroom? I’ve never tried Amanita Muscaria.
00:47:21 ►
The people that took it seemed to be on a kind of a weird masochistic death trip and it sort of took me off.
00:47:34 ►
Well I just see them in the corner here and it’s nice to see them again.
00:47:37 ►
Just wondering.
00:47:39 ►
You might have switched it off accidentally.
00:47:41 ►
I think so. I pushed it off accidentally.
00:47:57 ►
Okay. I have not taken Amanita Muscaria and I really don’t know much about it. I mean, I know how it works and, you know, use them all, changes into imitinic acid, and it’s best if you’re going to be taking a well-dried specimen
00:48:06 ►
that’s been hanging around for a while.
00:48:10 ►
As far as the intention aspect of the trip goes,
00:48:16 ►
we all grow up in a type of prison.
00:48:22 ►
It’s called school, parents, society. We’re conditioned to think and act in a type of prison. It’s called school, parents, society.
00:48:27 ►
We’re conditioned to think and act in a certain way.
00:48:30 ►
When we get to a responsible age
00:48:31 ►
where we don’t need the controls of,
00:48:33 ►
no, stay here, you can’t run into traffic,
00:48:36 ►
you’re only two years old,
00:48:38 ►
and we can start to take responsibility for ourselves,
00:48:42 ►
we begin to realize we can create our own realities.
00:48:45 ►
And we have this choice every day between joy and love, between joy and misery.
00:48:52 ►
And I’ve evolved to the stage where it’s only between joy and love.
00:49:02 ►
Many times trying to get something done, I felt I had to delve into a negative state.
00:49:08 ►
I had to get really pissed off at something or someone in whatever I was doing to get the job done.
00:49:15 ►
I had to get it done.
00:49:17 ►
It is our birthright to choose joy over misery.
00:49:20 ►
And this, I think, is a very important message for everyone.
00:49:24 ►
Awesome. Thank you. Any other questions? and this I think is a very important message for everyone.
00:49:25 ►
Thank you.
00:49:32 ►
Thanks for being here. This may be a little bit too political, but I’m curious.
00:49:38 ►
I’m really interested in the Native American Church and the use of peyote as a sacrament,
00:49:42 ►
and I’m curious what you think about their inability to grow it for their ownote as a sacrament. And I’m curious what you think about their inability
00:49:45 ►
to grow it for their own use as a sacrament. I think that with time, they actually be a
00:49:53 ►
religion and they no longer be there because the peyote doesn’t grow like it used to. It’s
00:49:58 ►
being distributed across the country and not just in a localized region. So I’m curious
00:50:03 ►
if you have any thoughts on that.
00:50:02 ►
not just in a localized region. So I’m curious if you have any thoughts on that.
00:50:05 ►
I am familiar with this particular problem.
00:50:08 ►
And again, it’s another drug war monstrosity.
00:50:13 ►
The plight of the Native American church,
00:50:15 ►
as an anthropologist, which is how we got into all of this,
00:50:19 ►
was a very important discovery for me.
00:50:22 ►
And when I did my first mescaline trip I did it
00:50:26 ►
exactly according to I think it was the Lakota or Kiowa ceremony fasting for
00:50:36 ►
three days crying for a vision and I had one and it was very effective that way. Prior to that, I had been buying large cactus plants,
00:50:48 ►
file mail order, I’d get 100 plants,
00:50:51 ►
whole plants from Swiss cactus, rare.
00:50:53 ►
Root included, probably.
00:50:57 ►
Hey?
00:50:57 ►
Box 729.
00:50:58 ►
Yeah, right.
00:51:01 ►
And that was very public.
00:51:07 ►
And the Native American church has not been able to access the constitution
00:51:10 ►
very consistently
00:51:12 ►
and the supreme court has been very schizophrenic
00:51:14 ►
every 10 or 20 years it says no this is a crime
00:51:17 ►
no this is a religious right
00:51:19 ►
this is a crime
00:51:20 ►
this has happened at least half a dozen times in the last century
00:51:24 ►
and so when finally This has happened at least half a dozen times in the last century.
00:51:32 ►
And so when finally pretty much everywhere has decided that, yes,
00:51:38 ►
there is some argument for using plant helpers as sacraments in our life,
00:51:44 ►
as psychedelic helpers, so there’s not been so much pressure.
00:51:50 ►
But then there’s the thing of harvesting the peyote.
00:51:54 ►
Now, peyote doesn’t really develop strong psychedelic effects until they’re about seven years old.
00:51:57 ►
And that’s when the concentration of mesquite starts to get to a level
00:52:03 ►
where if you take five or ten buttons, you have
00:52:06 ►
quite a trick. So the Native American church has many times asked for permission to grow
00:52:14 ►
it, and they have been forbidden to grow it. But there are licensed Paioteiros who are
00:52:20 ►
allowed to collect four of them. Only four.
00:52:25 ►
Or five, maybe three.
00:52:27 ►
And basically make peyote into an endangered species,
00:52:31 ►
and they bring back very small peyote buttons,
00:52:34 ►
which are basically inactive.
00:52:36 ►
And people are saying,
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well, I just took 1,200 buttons and I don’t feel anything.
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And they say, oh, well, it’s just because your faith is weak. No, sorry, it’s not because your faith is weak. It’s because the
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peyote doesn’t contain mescaline. And this is a real shame.
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And we need to work in this field to legalize the cultivation
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of peyote so it can be grown to the proper
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sacramental age.
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As a Western scientist,
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it’s hard to do that.
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It’s really hard to be in contact with the Native
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American church because of
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their persecution for so long.
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It’s a really difficult thing.
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The Peony Way church
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does growing,
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and the Native American church doesn’t.
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They’re not allowed to.
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Very strange. But the other
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church probably does it illegally,
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no? They do it in Arizona.
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No, Arizona is allowed to do it.
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Okay, well, another crack of
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late, you know,
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appearing. But First Amendment
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rights, you know, freedom to religion.
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Well, you know, when I
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fought the Orange Sunshine
00:53:43 ►
trial, I thought it was probably going to lose, although I knew I was right in what I was doing and that this was absolutely my religious right to do this. experience. This was my sacrament. No other sacrament. And so I spoke
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to my lawyer, who was quite a good lawyer,
00:54:07 ►
Michael Kennedy, and
00:54:09 ►
I said, let’s do a
00:54:12 ►
First Amendment defense, because this is
00:54:14 ►
key to my position
00:54:16 ►
in life. He says, we can do a First Amendment
00:54:18 ►
defense. Let me see if I can get you a
00:54:20 ►
list of lawyers who will take you into a
00:54:22 ►
losing position like that.
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I said, oh. he said, no,
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we’ll not fly. Let’s do it another way. Thank you. You’re very welcome. We’ve got time for
00:54:32 ►
one more question here. It’s okay, Nick. Hi, Nick. Thanks. I’m out with you a little bit
00:54:37 ►
there in Switzerland. Hi. Speaking of this, I was just wondering, I haven’t heard the
00:54:43 ►
latest on Casey’s case. And I know you know who I’m talking about, right?
00:54:47 ►
Yes.
00:54:47 ►
Yeah, and I was just wondering if you have an update.
00:54:50 ►
I know he was going to do the World European Congress rights thing.
00:54:57 ►
I know he’s taken his case to the World Court,
00:55:01 ►
or was thinking about taking it to the World Court,
00:55:04 ►
to the world court, or was thinking about taking her to the world court.
00:55:11 ►
And after Switzerland, I spoke to his girlfriend, who I met at a party in England,
00:55:14 ►
and she apprised me of this.
00:55:18 ►
I haven’t, there were a number of people raising money for it.
00:55:19 ►
No new trial?
00:55:24 ►
Well, if it were a new trial, it would be in the world court.
00:55:28 ►
But I don’t have any further updates since then.
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Thank you, Nick.
00:55:35 ►
And will you all help me welcome a real, real hero, St. Nick Pettit.
00:55:37 ►
Thank you. have a deep interest in these topics, you can understand why I wanted to podcast this
00:56:05 ►
talk anyway. Maybe the elves of the playa thought this information was so important
00:56:10 ►
that they wanted to make sure that only the most dedicated psychonauts will make the effort
00:56:15 ►
to hear it. As I mentioned in my introduction, Nick and I are planning on doing a live interview
00:56:22 ►
sometime soon. While it won’t be studio quality, you will at least be able to hear him without all the background noise.
00:56:29 ►
And in case you missed it, by the way, the talk that Nick gave at John Hanna’s Mind States Conference
00:56:35 ►
is in our podcast number 37, and it’s titled Reflections on Imprisonment and Liberation as Aspects of Consciousness.
00:56:44 ►
And in it, he describes the odyssey of his imprisonment and liberation as aspects of consciousness.
00:56:48 ►
And in it, he describes the odyssey of his imprisonment.
00:56:52 ►
If you haven’t heard that talk, well, I highly recommend it.
00:56:57 ►
By the way, if any of you have a question you’d like me to ask Nick in this upcoming podcast,
00:57:01 ►
just send it to me in an email or through tribe.net.
00:57:07 ►
My direct email address, by the way, is lorenzo at matrixmasters.com.
00:57:13 ►
In fact, you can find all of these podcasts and a bunch of other stuff at matrixmasters.com.
00:57:19 ►
Now, in case you’re wondering why it’s been so long since my last podcast,
00:57:26 ►
well, I’ve been in one of those horrible software loops that seem to steal so much of our time these days.
00:57:31 ►
Thanks to a few of our regulars here in the salon who made some donations to the cause,
00:57:36 ►
I was able to buy some software that promised to give us a little better sound quality.
00:57:43 ►
I won’t bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that after about a week of working perfectly,
00:57:47 ►
the bugs began to crawl out of my bright, shiny new software and have so far cost me about 30 hours of screwing around and trying to get it to work properly again.
00:57:54 ►
And to make matters worse, the company who sold it to me is located in Australia,
00:57:59 ►
and getting any kind of tech support, which I paid extra for, by the way, has been next to impossible.
00:58:07 ►
So now I’m back to using the same old software that I started with over a year ago.
00:58:12 ►
I’d been hoping to get a satisfactory response from them in time to clean up the recording you just heard,
00:58:18 ►
but they only respond every other day or so, and now the weekend has begun down under,
00:58:24 ►
which is where I’d like to dump this crappy software I paid for.
00:58:28 ►
All in all, though, the experience once again has convinced me that the only software worth using is open source,
00:58:34 ►
so all you open source people out there, hey, thanks for doing what you do.
00:58:39 ►
Okay, enough of my complaining.
00:58:42 ►
If I can, I hope to get one more podcast out in the next few days
00:58:46 ►
but if that doesn’t happen please don’t give up on me
00:58:48 ►
right now my priority is to finish writing a talk
00:58:52 ►
that I’ll be giving at the Oracle Gathering in Seattle
00:58:55 ►
at the end of October
00:58:56 ►
I’ll be talking around 8.30 and Daniel Pinchbeck
00:59:00 ►
will be speaking right after me
00:59:02 ►
and hopefully I’ll see some of you there
00:59:04 ►
now I’d better get back to working on me, and hopefully I’ll see some of you there.
00:59:09 ►
Now I’d better get back to working on that talk, and so I’ll sign off for today.
00:59:16 ►
My thanks again go out to Darren, Mark, Michael, Brian, and the rest of the Intheon Village crew and your supporters, without whom the Palenque Norte lecture series could not have
00:59:21 ►
taken place this year.
00:59:23 ►
And my thanks also to Chateau Hayuk for the use of your music here in the Psychedelic Salon.
00:59:29 ►
For now, this is Lorenzo signing off from Cyberdelic Space.
00:59:34 ►
Be well, my friends. I’m Elenie.
00:59:47 ►
I’m Elenie.