179 - Timothy Leary at Cornell

Program Notes

Guest speaker: Dr. Timothy Leary

[NOTE: All of the following quotations are by Timothy Leary.]

“The first very dangerous side effect of psychedelic drugs is long term memory gain. And the second is short term memory loss. And I forget the third.”

“The time has come for us as a species, and for you all as individuals, to move into the post industrial society.”

“We all create our own reality.”

[Paraphrasing John Paul Sartre] “You can make up all the abstract gods or leaders that you want, and theories and so forth, but you’re just whistling in the dark. The existential facts of the matter are that you are in the nose cone of your own time ship, hurtling at the speed of light into a dark future, and you don’t have a clue or navigational map. And if you’re scared, well, grow up.”

“The sillier a religion is the more passionately fanatic people will defend it, if you know what I mean. So you’d better be careful when you buy a god, because it can get you in a lot of shit.”

“Quantum physics is all about loosening up your tight structure.”

“Now think about jazz. What’s jazz about? Jazz is about singularity, about creating your own rhythm, improvising, doing your own riffs, innovating. Hey, that’s exactly what quantum physics is all about.”

“The fact that you become an individual, and think singular thoughts, doesn’t mean you can’t be understood.”

“The function of the government is simply to protect us, not from ourselves, but protect us from bad [impure] products.”

“No matter how crazy, fucked-up an individual can be, he can’t be as fucked up as the Catholic Church.”

“You know that collectivity lowers intelligence. No matter how dumb the individual is, there’s no dumb individual that could have caused World War II.”

“Colleges, universities, are tax supported, state supported, or financed by wealthy individuals and trusts to prepare you to find your niche, your spot, your cog in the great industrial machine. This is a factory.”

“Don’t decide to major until after you graduate. When you get 50 years old, select your major.”

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Transcript

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Greetings from cyberdelic space.

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This is Lorenzo, and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.

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This is Lorenzo, and I’m your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.

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And I’d like to begin today’s podcast by thanking Oliver R., who sent in a generous donation to help offset some of my out-of-pocket expenses that are associated with producing these podcasts.

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So, hey, thanks a lot, Oliver. I sincerely appreciate your help. Now, last week we heard the first part of this talk,

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and we ended with Dr. Leary talking about religion and saying,

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Thank God for Eve.

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So yesterday I previewed the rest of this talk,

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and now I can’t wait to hear it along with you again.

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You know, I had several chances to go to a Timothy Leary lecture back in the 80s,

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but I never did.

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And now I really regret being so lazy because back in the day, he sure had a lot of charisma.

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The talk we’re going to hear right now was given at Cornell University on April 23rd, 1989.

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And if you want to, you might want to do what I’m going to do right now,

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and that is to pretend that I’m only 15 years old and I’m hearing all of these ideas for the first time. Of course, I hear almost everything as if I’m 15 because I never really made it past that

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age on the inside, and I have a good reason for doing that, too.

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It’s because I was always told that I had to decide what I wanted to be when I grew up.

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And so far, I still haven’t been able to make that decision.

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But I suspect, or at least I would like to think, that had I been exposed to some of Timothy Leary’s ideas back then,

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that my life would have taken a completely different course.

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But that was then, and this is now. And hopefully his words of wisdom

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will not only be of benefit to me right now,

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which they have been, but also to you.

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Oh, and I guess I should also let you know

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that about 20 minutes into this talk,

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there’s a brief, just a second or two break where whoever made the recording must have had to turn the cassette tape over.

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So there’s this very short break, and then he’ll take off on a new topic.

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So now, here is Dr. Timothy Leary.

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Homo sapiens sapiens.

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We are the species that are equipped with this

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enormous computing machinery, 100 billion neurons up there

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each neuron has the knowledge processing capacity

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of a big mainframe computer and it was

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a woman, Eve, was the first person to get off her knees

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and stand on her feet, you know, try the

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fruit, the blinds did fall from her eyes

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she said, hey, Adam,

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you gotta try this.

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And so the

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first human being

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that thought for herself was a woman.

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And thank God for Eve.

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Yeah.

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Now, see, what I’ve been doing,

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I’m going to ramble, by the way.

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Why not?

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I’m always going to ramble around a little bit,

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and, you know, I’m a little, you know,

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what my brain’s been through, you know.

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There are three very dangerous side effects

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to psychedelic drugs.

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I’m talking about psychedelic drugs, chemicals or transmitters that open your mind.

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I’m not talking about cocaine, crack, booze, the favorite drugs of the last ten years,

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or the real favorite drug of the Reagan administration finally gave us a new drug, steroids.

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I’m talking about

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psychedelic neurotransmitters

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which open up like that

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and there are three

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very dangerous side effects

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and we’ve got to

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bite the bullet

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and look at the grisly

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statistics here

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the first

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very dangerous side effect

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of psychedelic drugs

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are

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long term

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memory gain

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if you know what I mean

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and the second long-term memory gain. If you know what I mean.

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And the second is a short-term memory loss.

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And I forget the third.

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Now, I’m going to ramble around here,

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but I’m also going to come back

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to this basic issue

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of trying to erode

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the shackles of

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that’s why I’m quoting

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the Bible to you

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and they give you

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a little picture of how

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what they’re really saying

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remember

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they don’t know any better

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I’m not mad at anybody

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they were trapped

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they were trapped

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by the language

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the people that

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these Bible

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hugging

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pounding preachers

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they think

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you know they’re not bad people they just don’tugging, pounding preachers, they think, you know,

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they’re not bad people,

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they just don’t know any better.

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And so it’s our job

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to, you know,

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help them know

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a little bit more.

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Now,

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the next,

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remember,

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the first definition

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of a human being

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is when you’re a little baby

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and you’re a sheep.

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And the second definition

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of a human being

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is in the feudalism

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where you’re down on your knees

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and you’re a little serf.

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You’re powerless.

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And then you’ve got

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the middle class

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with some of the

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liege vassals

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up, up, up, up, up

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until you finally get

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to the king and then God.

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So you’re basically a serf

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or a slave

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in a feudal society.

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And basically,

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that’s the period we go through

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when we’re five and six

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and seven years old.

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You can’t say to a seven-year-old,

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hey, get out there

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and think for yourself.

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Oh, God.

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You’re happy during our childhood. We’re happy that there’s a mommy and a daddy and that there’s

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some big nice man up there in Washington, D.C. with a nice white face going around saying like

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this. We want to have someone up there in Moscow or the Vatican that’s doing the thinking for us

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because of five, six, seven, eight-year-old. We’re not already. And the same, we’re recapitulating

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as individuals the history of our species. But there comes a time when you are old

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enough to take the next step forward as a species or as an individual. And as a species, that

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happened when Gutenberg came along and invented the inexpensive portable home computer known as a printed book. Now, when Gutenberg invented the book,

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it was a great thrill to the Pope and the King.

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Hey, good for you, Johann.

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Of course, Gutenberg never made a dime of it, by the way.

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You know that?

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The rights were taken by some lawyer.

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And anyway, it was everything.

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I’m not encouraging you to go to law school.

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When Gutenberg invented the book,

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the king and the pope said,

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hey, that’s great.

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Now, the first thing they printed,

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and printing is all about mass production.

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Instead of just one manuscript that it took the monks a year or two or three or five

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to do. Now, you could print out in a day more than a monastery could do in a hundred years.

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That’s great. We can have a Gutenberg Bible in every little village church around Europe. That’s

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fabulous. And the home printed computer is good for word processing too. The monks don’t have to

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do all that stuff. And it’s good for databases and filings. The monks don’t have to do all that stuff.

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And it’s good for databases and filings.

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Yeah, you know, that’s right.

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And it’s great for spreadsheets.

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We can tell all the people how much they owe us, you know, for their tithes and taxes and all that.

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The printing press is the greatest thing that ever happened to a feudal society for about 20 years.

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And then, obviously, in all these little villages and towns,

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people suddenly began to learn

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how to read and write.

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And there was manuals

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on how to read and write.

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The first books ever published

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in German language

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was by Martin Luther.

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It was the Bible.

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But once Luther translated

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the Bible into German

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so that everyone could read the Bible,

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whack, the ballgame was over

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because everyone started

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writing their own books.

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The Renaissance,

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the Industrial Society, the Assembly Line Society, the Rights of Man and Woman, Democracy, all these things were

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made possible by the book which made possible Assembly Line Industrial Society. Now again,

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I’m not knocking Industrial Society. We’re all flowers and we’ve all gone through that stage.

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society. We’re all flowers and we’ve all gone through that stage. On the other hand, I want to point out to you, and you know it, the industrial society is over. I mean, there are hardly any,

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maybe no more than 5% of young Americans your age seriously want to grow up and get a metal hat and

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go off to the mills like your granddaddy did. And get it, you know, the industrial society is wonderful because it spares us

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the muscular labor of

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the serfs and all that. We don’t have to plow it in the field.

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But the industrial

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society does not encourage you to

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think for yourself. Listen, you

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can’t, matter of fact, in an industrial society

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there’s even more pressure against thinking

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for yourself. Because if you’re on the assembly line, you know,

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you’ve got to put that bolt in. You can’t think about

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a green bolt

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or a red bolt

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and so you’re trained

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industrial society

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gives you the illusion

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of choice

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oh yeah

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you can be a doctor

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lawyer

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beggar

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yeah sure you can

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maybe you can

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if you’re lucky

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and if your parents

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play the game

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well enough

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there is that

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some sense

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of social mobility

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industrial society

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so what

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so you end up

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a doctor instead of a bartender.

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You’re still put in that pigeonhole.

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Now remember, in the tribal society, you’re a little baby,

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and in the feudal society, you’re down there on your knees,

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or if you’re Islamic, you’re down on your knees bumping your head five times a day to Mecca.

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Or if you’re a fundamentalist Jew, you’re up there banging your head against the wall.

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Or if you’re a fundamentalist Jew, you’re up there banging your head against the wall. In the industrial society, the definition of a good human being is what?

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A good human being is prompt, reliable, dependable, effective, productive, good miles to the gallon,

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not too expensive to operate,

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and of course replaceable.

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There’s your good human being

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in the industrial society.

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Now again, I think it’s wonderful.

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We have to, as a society,

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we had to go through the industrial society

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to build the machines that would allow us

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to get beyond the industrial society.

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So yes, you had to have three or four hundred years

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in which, you know,

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when the industrial society started, it was all have three or four hundred years in which, you know, when the Industrial Society started,

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it was all big machines,

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big planes, big trains,

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big boats.

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But after 200 years,

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it got down to the motors,

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became smaller and smaller.

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You get the automobile.

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That’s hot shit.

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We all get our little carriage.

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And we all get our snow blower. And we all get our electric razor. And we all get our snowblower. And we all get our electric

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razor. And we all get our electric can

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opener. And we all get our electric garage opener.

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You know, that was great.

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Yeah.

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You think about the industrial society, boy,

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it really shackles you. Number one, you have to

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get up and you have to work hard. You get the lawyer

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and you get the mortgage. You got all these payments

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and all the things you got to do.

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And you got to run off

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to the factory

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whether it’s

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the General Motors factory

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or Cornell University

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mind robot factory

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and you run in

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you perform your duty

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then you run home

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you jump in your car

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and run home

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then

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the terrible thing about

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the way the

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industrial society

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has ended up

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not only do you have to spend your whole life in this compartmentalization, climbing up the ladder, but then you’re expected to consume.

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Oh, shit. I mean, it’s hard work to consume.

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In the old days, you just went down to the market and you bought something.

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Now, you have to get in your car and you have to drive to the mall.

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And you have to get out and you have to develop these confusing things.

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You have to, well, consuming is hard work

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and you have to get the ads and pull out the coupons

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and you have to run around and

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put it back in your car, get it home,

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unpack it now and then you have to, you know,

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kick the tire and get the batteries up like that.

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It’s a full-time job to be

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a robot of producing

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and consuming in an industrial society.

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a robot of producing and consuming an industrial society.

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Now, the time has come for us as a species and for you all as individuals to move into the post-industrial society.

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Now, just as I pointed out that every one of these earlier societies

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had their theological prophets and so forth,

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our father who art in heaven.

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Societies have their theological prophets and so forth.

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Our father who art in heaven.

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By the way, the philosophers of the industrial age,

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there are a lot of them,

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but the great totem prophets,

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well, the two I’d name right now,

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I could go on, are Darwin and Newton.

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When you think about Newton,

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Isaac Newton, my my god Isaac Newton

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the greatest physicist

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of all time

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he invented calculus

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he invented the laws

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of motion

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hey wait a minute

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did you say the laws

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of physics

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what the fuck

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are you talking about

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laws

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how typically British

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yeah

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nice little law

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and order universe

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with a big engineer

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guy up there

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when you think about it

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see the

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the industrial philosophy

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is all about

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Newtonian mass

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and momentum

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and power

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and work

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and energy

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oh my god

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I’m exhausted

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just to say those names

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and how typical that is

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of the machinery

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that had

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been done. So it all fits together. Then Darwin comes along. And when you think about Darwin,

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I’m very amused now that there’s these great fights going on between the born-again Christian

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creationists who think that God made the world 404 years ago, just the way it is right now,

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and we’re all Republicans except for the followers of the devil.

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for the followers of the devil.

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They’re arguing against the Darwinists who say, no, it’s all a strong,

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natural selection of the laws.

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Actually, it all comes down to the fact

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it’s a perfect British Empire philosophy

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that the biggest, strongest, meanest male

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can run around sticking his penetration thing

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into more docile eggs and cloning himself.

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I mean,

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that’s what Darwinism is all about. Now, typical of a mass assembly society. Yeah, crank it out.

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In the post-indulgent society, mass and energy and numbers are really a drag. You got be lean and clean and mean. You gotta move fast

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because you’re dealing with a different form of, you’re not talking about energy anymore, you’re talking

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about information and intelligence and knowledge. And as you know, my 15-year-old son has a

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cheap and expensive Amiga computer in his desk, that has more knowledge processing capacity than

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the CIA’s IBM did 20 years ago. It’s awesome. The way, just as the steam engine came down

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to the dozens of little engines we have around our house now, that’s happening with the information

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age. The key to the information is miniaturization. Grabbing more and more and more algorithms

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and more and more information

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into the smallest amount of volume.

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Now, I’ve been making fun of the industrial age,

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and again, with great affection.

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I’m proud of Newton.

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I’m proud of Darwin.

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When you come to think of it,

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they were lovable.

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I don’t know if you read their think of it, they were lovable.

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I don’t know if you read their biographies,

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Darwin and Newton.

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They remind me very much of Dustin Hoffman

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in The Rain Man, you know?

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They were really artistic personalities.

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They were genius at calculating.

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But they didn’t have a clue in street smarts.

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They couldn’t go to TJ Tuesday

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and get through an hour

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of human communication.

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See, I’m deliberately

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kind of going after

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some of these idols.

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Oh, we all have to worship Darwin.

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We all have to worship Newton.

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Just like in the Soviet Union.

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Some credit was happening there, you know. They’re suddenly discovering that Stalin was a big butcher. Well all have to worship Newton. Just like in the Soviet Union. Some incredible things happening there, you know.

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They’re suddenly discovering that Stalin was a

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big butcher. Well, no shit, Sherlock.

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I mean, all these…

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And people don’t like it.

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You know, a lot of people get very upset when you

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question their idols and you

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jiggle around with these things.

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And the more insecure they are and the more they

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know in their heart that these are hallucinations,

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Darwin and Stalin, the madder they get. So it’s they know in their heart that these are hallucinations, Darwin and Stalin,

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the madder they get.

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So it’s a tricky business.

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And I want to warn you,

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don’t go running around here

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attacking people’s idols

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unless you have a real sense of compassion

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and humor about it.

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And be very careful

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or you’ll get in serious trouble,

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as poor Simon Rischte found out.

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Or Salman Rischte.

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Okay, now we come to the post-industrial age.

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Let me tell you a little bit about that.

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Just as these other ages had their prophets,

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there are three great prophets of the new age we’re moving into.

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The first one,

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I guess you know what I’m going to say,

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is Albert Einstein.

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One thing about nuclear physics,

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quantum physics,

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when you get to really understand it, when you really personalize it, you really humanize it, it’s just plain common sense.

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For example, Einstein’s theory of relativity. Basically, he’s saying there can never be any absolute measures of space and time, because if you’re a star and I’m a planet here, you’re moving, I’m moving, so that there’s no absolute location of you. Wait.

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Who’s there? Oh, shit, we’re in trouble. Ayatollah Khomeini. Oh, Jesus. Who’s that with you? Oh,

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they got the Pope. Oh, God. Yeah. And Jimmy Swigert? Oh, yeah. Well, come on in, boys.

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Well,

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here’s the beef.

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The Archael Comanian, the Pope, and Jimmy Swigert

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do not like this notion that there’s no

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absolute measures of space and time.

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Who do y’all think you are?

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Think about relativity

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and it’s your measure of somebody else.

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There are absolutes. There are absolutes in the Bible, Koran, and Talmud.

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There are absolutes in the Ten Commandments.

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And we can’t allow people going around making up their own relativistic notions because

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the whole thing will collapse into…

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They’ll all start raping and looting and voting Democrat.

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You know.

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Basically, what Darwin was saying is common sense.

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You got to put yourself in the other person’s shoes

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how do you do that

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well you’ve got to

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keep feedback

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you’ve got to listen

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boom boom boom

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I see you this way

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you tell me how

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you see me

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we keep interchanging

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this is what the

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communication rhythm

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and technique

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and tactic of the

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information age is

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quick feedback

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remember the

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programs that

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Chris told you about

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that I’m working on

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they’re called

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multilingual

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multimedia

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interpersonal communications appliances we’ve got to learn told you about that I’m working on. They’re called multilingual, multimedia, interpersonal

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communications appliances. We’ve got to learn how to chart each other fast. And this was not

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possible when you’re using the human vocal cords or writing things down, chipping them in marble,

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or even printing them in books. It’s very hard to get feedback. How can you feed back to someone

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who’s written a book? It was impossible. But now we’re learning how to do this, and we are empowered to do it. Remember, I suggested that the function,

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my function tonight, is to try to personalize and humanize and illustrate and popularize

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these complex… There’s no reason why you shouldn’t use quantum physics as a guidepost.

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The first one is listen to the other

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person. Put yourself in their shoes. Feedback. That’s what Glass Notes is all about. That’s what

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the 60s was all about. Openness and communication. Nobody hiding the information. By the way,

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Einstein got his ass in a ringer for that. Did you know that? Einstein was considered by the

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orthodoxy in the 20s and 30s as a wild, mad, crazy, atheistic

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Jew from Germany coming over here

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telling people they can be relativistic because

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the moralists, the orthodox

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fundamentalist religious people knew that once this

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idea of relativity gets going, it’s one thing

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to apply it to stars, but if you apply it to human beings

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the old orthodoxies are in trouble.

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Now the second

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of our great prophets of the new age

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is even more scary.

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So we’ll say it’s Werner Heisenberg.

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I’m going to give him the credit for the principle.

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They call it vindeterminacy, but I would call it the determinacy that

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basically you think you’re measuring something out there.

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You fire particles down a linear accelerator,

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or you get on a safari and dress up in khaki and you go to an African tribe

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and you think you’re studying them. Well, believe me, you’re just studying the

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field that you set up. And if you ask the people in the tribe, or if you ask the atoms

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that are being cladded around the accelerator, they’ll tell you that you have created this

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shield. Now, what that means is, in tough, down-to-earth English language, is that we all create our own realities.

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Now that’s heavy to say, we create our own realities.

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Oh, give me a break, man.

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Get out of here.

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I’m having enough trouble getting up in the morning and dealing with Cornell University

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and the inflation and the acid rain

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and the Alaska oil spill and the bad climate here.

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And now y’all want me to get up every morning

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and start figuring everything out?

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And they say, I don’t want that responsibility.

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I don’t want to create something else to it.

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Well, sorry, boy and girl,

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but you can’t dismiss it that easily.

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Jean-Paul Sartre,

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the great French existentialist,

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laid it down.

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He said, you know, you can make up all the abstract gods or leaders that you want

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and theories and so forth, but you’re just personally in the dark.

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The existential facts of the matter are that you’re in the nose cone of your own time ship

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hurtling at the speed of light into a dark future.

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You don’t have a clue or a navigational map.

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of light into a dark future, you don’t have a clue or a navigational map.

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And if you’re scared, well, grow up.

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Because we’re all in the same boat.

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See, so now at least we agree.

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We’re all out there.

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We can look around.

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We can exchange, navigate.

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Remember Einstein told us, fast navigational signals.

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Okay, well, you know, but still I know. I know, I’m asking

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too much of you. Poor college

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students, yeah. Your mothers

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and fathers probably listened to

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Bobby Darin.

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You came from

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deprived home life in the 50s. I don’t know.

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Shit. I don’t want to be too hard

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on you, so if you don’t want to

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take responsibility for creating your own reality

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come with me

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I’ll take you on a stroll down to the theological mall

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okay

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and y’all can pick out the god you want

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any boutique, get your god

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take it home

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use my credit card

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be my guest

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the ACLU will pay for it

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maybe you want

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we all want

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a nice mummy god

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that will

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comfort us

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and so forth

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okay

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take it

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go ahead

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take it home

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or maybe you want

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a big strong

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manly god

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that can figure

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everything out

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and then you want

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to think for yourself

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sure no problem

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just get down

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on your knees

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and do it

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it’s no problem however no get down on your knees and do it. It’s no problem.

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However,

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no matter how many gods

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you buy,

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and of course,

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see, the sillier religion is,

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that’s not a law,

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not a law,

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an algorithm.

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The sillier a religion is,

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the more passionately,

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fanatically people

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will defend it.

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You know what I mean.

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So,

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you all better be careful

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when you buy a god

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because it can get you in a lot of shit.

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Quantum quanta. They’re tiny little particles they call quarks sometimes.

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It was James Joyce, by the way, that invented the word quark. I like that.

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The basic elements of the universe, quarks, are units of information.

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And don’t think that these quarks are little billiard balls.

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One thing we’ve learned as we’ve probed into the mysteries of nature in terms of information,

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if you think of everything in terms of power, then you’re impressed by a big exploding star

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and the dinosaur and the Soviet tanks in West Europe.

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Hey, that’s, yeah.

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But once you start studying the rules and algorithms of information,

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miniaturization, the smaller is always more intelligent.

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You can process more information than the larger.

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Like your brain, your neurons, is much smaller than your body.

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But obviously there’s more, a trillion times more information and intelligence in your brain than your body.

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Take the DNA code. The DNA code is even microscopic. You can hardly find it with a microscope in a cell. And yet the DNA code has the power to grow millions of clones like you, or grow your Amazon forest.

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You get looking down at that microscope, and of course, the old business, Heisenberg told us,

00:25:10 ►

you only see what your language and your maps prepare you to see.

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You look at that microscope of Heisenberg, and you’re going to create your own reality down there.

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And the scissors drop a red there, okay? I look at that red and I say,

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what a peer, that’s a criminal.

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Oh, this guy here is a doctor.

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No, that looks like a drop of blood to me.

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You got a microscope?

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Let’s look at that microscope.

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Oh, yeah, definitely it’s a blood cell.

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You got an electronic microscope?

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Oh, yeah, it’s a hemoglobin cluster.

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Uh-oh.

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Oh, here he comes again.

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Here’s Jimmy Swigert.

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Come on in, Jimmy.

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He wants to know what we’re all looking at here.

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Look through that microscope, Jimmy. Tell us what you see there.

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Jimmy looks at the microscope. My God, it looks like the flaming vagina of the whore of Babylon,

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and she’s winking at me. It’s the devil.

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And she’s winking at me.

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It’s the devil.

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Point is, you know,

00:26:10 ►

you’re putting your own maps on it.

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And we have put the maps of power and energy.

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All this.

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E equals MC squared.

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If I shocked you

00:26:17 ►

with making fun of the Lord’s Prayer.

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E equals MC squared.

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Energy equals mass

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times the speed of light.

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Get out of here, Al.

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The formula is now rewritten. I, information, I equals mc squared, where I am information.

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each one of you should be defined

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as a quark

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what’s a quark?

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a quark is the

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smallest unit of information

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in which is smarter

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than anything larger

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a quark

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quarks design atoms

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atoms design molecules

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DNA included

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DNA molecules

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make bodies and brains

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and up the ladder

00:27:01 ►

when you think about it

00:27:02 ►

you know

00:27:02 ►

that exploding star up there

00:27:04 ►

makes a lot of noise

00:27:05 ►

hey that’s really

00:27:06 ►

nice fireworks

00:27:07 ►

but

00:27:07 ►

not much information

00:27:09 ►

processing

00:27:09 ►

as far as we know

00:27:10 ►

so the point I’m making

00:27:12 ►

is that in the

00:27:13 ►

information society

00:27:14 ►

small

00:27:15 ►

be mean

00:27:17 ►

and lean

00:27:17 ►

and clean

00:27:18 ►

move fast

00:27:19 ►

now

00:27:22 ►

this was heavy stuff

00:27:24 ►

it started about the turn of the century around the year 1900 Now, this was heavy stuff.

00:27:26 ►

It started about the turn of the century,

00:27:28 ►

around the year 1900.

00:27:32 ►

Einstein’s paper was published in 1906.

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And when the quantum physicists began to write about this stuff,

00:27:36 ►

nobody understood them.

00:27:39 ►

They were writing with chalk on the boards

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like cavemen, Paleolithic people with chalk on the wall like cavemen,

00:27:45 ►

Paleolithic people

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with chalk on the wall of the cave.

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And hardly anyone understood it.

00:27:50 ►

It didn’t make any common sense.

00:27:52 ►

It’s not intuitive.

00:27:53 ►

We may make up our own world.

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How can we do that?

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And, yeah, you can’t.

00:28:00 ►

You see,

00:28:02 ►

from the standpoint of the information theory,

00:28:04 ►

and what I’ve been doing here tonight,

00:28:06 ►

the alchemists knew about it, it’s called solid coagulate.

00:28:09 ►

You have to dissolve the old structures.

00:28:11 ►

See, a molecule, matter, is information frozen.

00:28:16 ►

And when you start dissolving this stuff here,

00:28:18 ►

you get it down, down, down,

00:28:19 ►

you’re going to get more free elements of individual information.

00:28:24 ►

So what I’m trying to do is I’m going to try to dissolve,

00:28:26 ►

and I can tell you my tactics tonight,

00:28:27 ►

to dissolve some of the heavy stone massive boulders

00:28:31 ►

you’ve got in your minds that have been laid on us,

00:28:35 ►

carried throughout your childhood and your personal history.

00:28:39 ►

Because in the information society,

00:28:42 ►

it’s a naturalization. And it’s scary, it’s a naturalization.

00:28:46 ►

And it’s scary,

00:28:47 ►

it’s hard to understand.

00:28:50 ►

And that’s where I come in.

00:28:51 ►

A performing fluster tries to act it out,

00:28:53 ►

personalize it, humanize it, illustrate it.

00:28:55 ►

And the glorious history of the 20th century,

00:28:58 ►

when you come and look at it now,

00:28:59 ►

if you think about the function of the 20th century

00:29:02 ►

was to prepare us to live comfortably

00:29:03 ►

and intelligently

00:29:05 ►

in a quantum universe. Hey, the modern Irish, it’s about the 20th century, came along. What did they do?

00:29:12 ►

The expressionists, they tore reality around and the five heads on the beast, you know, make up your

00:29:17 ►

own little world. Cubism, Picasso, surrealism. Picasso, perfect example. Picasso, you know that

00:29:23 ►

wonderful painting of Picasso called The Persistence of Memory?

00:29:27 ►

Those watches are like tortillas or pancakes.

00:29:30 ►

Perfect example of the subjectivity of space and time.

00:29:33 ►

So pretty soon, when the average American, you know,

00:29:36 ►

back there turns to the century,

00:29:37 ►

they go, look at those crazy Europeans,

00:29:38 ►

what are they doing like that?

00:29:39 ►

You know, that’s it.

00:29:41 ►

But when they went on generation,

00:29:42 ►

they were teaching modern art

00:29:43 ►

at the University of Kansas in Mississippi.

00:29:46 ►

And in 20, 30 years,

00:29:48 ►

the expressionist paintings were selling for millions of dollars.

00:29:52 ►

So they were the first ones to help us destroy.

00:29:55 ►

Not destroy.

00:29:56 ►

How to dissolve.

00:29:59 ►

That’s the word.

00:30:00 ►

We don’t want to destroy.

00:30:00 ►

We have to dissolve and loosen up.

00:30:02 ►

Quantum physics is all about loosening up

00:30:04 ►

your tight structure.

00:30:08 ►

The writing of the 20th century that I prize is disillusioned writing.

00:30:14 ►

James Joyce did it. James Joyce took the English language, took all the romantic languages.

00:30:19 ►

He was not a writer. He was a word processor. Think about it.

00:30:22 ►

Jumbling with puns and different illusions. I would

00:30:26 ►

say most of the real thrust of modern writing, postmodern writing, is quantum. It’s trying

00:30:33 ►

to dissolve. You make up your own grammar. Make up your own words. There’s a new book

00:30:36 ►

out now called, is it called, A Tripmaster Monkey? It’s called a fake book. Don’t take

00:30:43 ►

it so seriously. In the industrial age, you have to take a book very seriously. Yeah, sure, but write your

00:30:48 ►

own books and make up your own grammar. But to me, the great

00:30:51 ►

popularizers of quantum physics that got us wiggling, moving

00:30:56 ►

to the rhythm of the universe are a group of acoustic engineers

00:30:59 ►

and audio physicians who came along in the 20s and 30s.

00:31:03 ►

They came over from the Caribbean.

00:31:05 ►

They came to New Orleans.

00:31:06 ►

They came up the river to Chicago.

00:31:08 ►

And they got America dancing

00:31:10 ►

to a very powerful quantum psychological rhythm

00:31:14 ►

called J-A-Z-Z, jazz.

00:31:18 ►

When you think about jazz,

00:31:20 ►

what’s jazz about?

00:31:23 ►

Jazz is about singularity,

00:31:26 ►

about creating your own rhythm, improvising

00:31:28 ►

doing your own riffs

00:31:29 ►

innovating

00:31:31 ►

hey, that’s exactly what chronophilia is all about

00:31:34 ►

oh, yeah, come on in

00:31:36 ►

Pope, oh shit, the Pope’s here again

00:31:38 ►

the Pope says

00:31:40 ►

it’s coming right from Rome, that you cannot allow

00:31:42 ►

human being individuals to improvise

00:31:44 ►

and do that

00:31:45 ►

because if they do that

00:31:46 ►

we won’t be in tune

00:31:47 ►

you know that to have

00:31:48 ►

an orchestra

00:31:48 ►

you gotta have a director

00:31:50 ►

with a stick up there

00:31:51 ►

and uh

00:31:52 ►

you gotta have all the

00:31:55 ►

violins playing together

00:31:56 ►

just the way it’s written

00:31:57 ►

you can’t go off

00:31:58 ►

in the middle of

00:31:58 ►

Beethoven fucking

00:31:59 ►

Fifth Symphony

00:32:00 ►

what do you think you are

00:32:00 ►

well yeah

00:32:04 ►

so here’s hey there’s Al Einstein on the piano over there he’s doing riffs who do you think you are? Well, yeah.

00:32:07 ►

Hey, there’s Al Einstein on the piano over there.

00:32:08 ►

He’s doing riffs.

00:32:10 ►

Listen to him.

00:32:10 ►

No one’s ever heard that before.

00:32:13 ►

Matter of fact,

00:32:13 ►

he’ll never do it again.

00:32:14 ►

It’s singular event horizon.

00:32:18 ►

And what’s that over here?

00:32:20 ►

There’s Max Planck on saxophone.

00:32:23 ►

And he, too,

00:32:23 ►

is doing something that’s innovative,

00:32:26 ►

improvisational, riffs that he’ll never do again maybe.

00:32:29 ►

And strangely enough, they’re in sync.

00:32:32 ►

They’re not in tune.

00:32:33 ►

They’re not all marching along like a marching band at UCLA.

00:32:37 ►

But they’re in tune.

00:32:40 ►

Just remember that feedback thing.

00:32:41 ►

They’re listening to each other.

00:32:42 ►

They’re like two pilots or two birds

00:32:46 ►

Or maybe like dolphins. They’re picking up these vibrations. Here comes Brunner Heisenberg on

00:32:52 ►

on the clarinet and you get four, five, six, seven, eight, ten people all

00:32:57 ►

improvising, all innovating, all being singular

00:33:01 ►

individualistic and somehow

00:33:04 ►

It’s great.

00:33:06 ►

There’s a great lesson, and this is, to me,

00:33:08 ►

the lesson of psychology and sociology in the future.

00:33:14 ►

The fact that you become an individual

00:33:16 ►

and think singular thoughts doesn’t mean

00:33:19 ►

you can’t, you know, be understood.

00:33:23 ►

You’re not going to be understood the way

00:33:24 ►

they were in the old lockstep days,

00:33:25 ►

but people can’t respond.

00:33:26 ►

As a matter of fact,

00:33:27 ►

in the information age,

00:33:28 ►

all the values change.

00:33:30 ►

In the information age,

00:33:31 ►

bigger is no longer,

00:33:32 ►

stronger is no longer.

00:33:34 ►

In the information age,

00:33:36 ►

if you can’t improvise

00:33:39 ►

and think for yourself

00:33:40 ►

and do new riffs and innovate,

00:33:42 ►

you know, what are you doing to me?

00:33:44 ►

You’re just making me into some robot. I’m going to have to go along with your robot hood. In other words, you can’t

00:33:50 ►

really be a lover in the future unless you’re an individual person and you grant the other person

00:33:55 ►

the individuality. There’s a whole new algorithms of human relations that I respect you’re saying

00:34:01 ►

get out of your mind and that brings out the best us, and you’re pushing me to get farther out

00:34:05 ►

instead of holding me down to lockstep

00:34:07 ►

and the UCLA man in the old days.

00:34:10 ►

Well, that’s jazz.

00:34:12 ►

What I’m going to do,

00:34:12 ►

I’m going to stop this in about five minutes.

00:34:15 ►

I got you about a third of the way

00:34:16 ►

through the 20th century.

00:34:17 ►

We started at the cave,

00:34:19 ►

and I’ve got you up to about 1930, okay?

00:34:21 ►

I’m going to take about five more minutes,

00:34:23 ►

and then we’ll take a five-minute break,

00:34:24 ►

and then if you want to have, I don’t like a question-answer period, but, because I have no

00:34:28 ►

answers, but I’ll come back, and we can goof around in interactive conversations. If you want to,

00:34:35 ►

there’s a microphone there, and we’ll have one down here. Well, movies. Who would ever believe that a farmer America,

00:34:45 ►

back in the 20s and 30s,

00:34:48 ►

this hard-bitten practical farmer and his wife,

00:34:52 ►

would go to a village theater and look at a wall there with a screen

00:34:56 ►

and accept as real those flickering images?

00:35:02 ►

Well, they not only

00:35:05 ►

believed it,

00:35:07 ►

human beings go

00:35:08 ►

bananas over

00:35:09 ►

electronic signals.

00:35:11 ►

I mean,

00:35:11 ►

any time you expose

00:35:12 ►

human beings to

00:35:13 ►

their eyeballs,

00:35:14 ►

suddenly their

00:35:14 ►

eyeballs are

00:35:16 ►

suddenly flooded

00:35:17 ►

with electronic

00:35:18 ►

information,

00:35:19 ►

they love it.

00:35:20 ►

I mean,

00:35:20 ►

the human brain

00:35:21 ►

basically is a

00:35:22 ►

quantum electronic

00:35:23 ►

instrument. The human brain is fucking bored down there, you know, for basically, is a quantum electronic instrument.

00:35:25 ►

The human brain is fucking bored down there, you know, for 25,000 years.

00:35:29 ►

Well, they’re, oh, Jesus, and now they’re doing ABCs.

00:35:33 ►

Oh, God.

00:35:34 ►

Well, now they’re doing a little pollution.

00:35:36 ►

That’s good.

00:35:37 ►

At least, yeah, I mean, when are they going to catch on?

00:35:39 ►

When are they going to boot me up and activate me, yeah?

00:35:42 ►

The brain’s bored.

00:35:43 ►

The brain can operate, compresses 100 million signals a second, and you think you can deal activate me? The brain’s bored. The brain can compress 100 million

00:35:46 ►

signals a second, and you think you can deal

00:35:47 ►

with ABCs? It’s bored.

00:35:50 ►

Every tribe, you expose

00:35:52 ►

them to video signals

00:35:54 ►

and electronic signals,

00:35:55 ►

and they love it. The human brain

00:35:57 ►

wants to be

00:35:59 ►

stimulated and tickled and

00:36:02 ►

strobed by these signals.

00:36:04 ►

Which brings us, of course, to television.

00:36:07 ►

Now, television.

00:36:13 ►

Television.

00:36:14 ►

Here you have a situation where everybody in their home

00:36:17 ►

now has, just like an automobile in the garage,

00:36:19 ►

they have at least one television.

00:36:22 ►

Now, television is a quantum linguistic appliance

00:36:25 ►

that floods the brain with signals.

00:36:29 ►

And people love to, as a matter of fact,

00:36:30 ►

the scary statistic is

00:36:32 ►

that the average American household,

00:36:34 ►

they watch TV 7.4 hours a day.

00:36:39 ►

Now, is that scary or spooky or what?

00:36:43 ►

Remember George Orwell?

00:36:50 ►

What, that wonderful book, 1984? His best nightmare was that Big Brother would have cameras in each of our houses, and we’d be

00:36:55 ►

in the living room, and there’s Big Brother watching us, we’d go into the bathroom, my

00:36:58 ►

God, in the bedroom, Big Brother’s watching you, remember? That ain’t nothing. No, well, in his worst nightmare,

00:37:05 ►

back there in 1940, he couldn’t believe

00:37:07 ►

a scenario where

00:37:09 ►

200 million Americans

00:37:12 ►

come rushing home. The first thing they do

00:37:13 ►

is turn on the boob tube and sit like

00:37:15 ►

couch vegetables, attaching their octopus

00:37:17 ►

eyes like suckers getting up all that

00:37:19 ►

junk food.

00:37:44 ►

But don’t worry, they’re built in foolproof mechanisms in DNA. DNA hasn’t been around this planet for four or five billion years without learning a few tricks. And you’re not going to surprise DNA, no matter how fucked up human beings can be. Believe me, DNA knows how to deal with it.

00:37:48 ►

Well,

00:37:50 ►

what obviously happens is as soon as you give people that power,

00:37:53 ►

you know,

00:37:53 ►

they’re going to want control over it.

00:37:55 ►

Michel Foucault said it

00:37:56 ►

and I mentioned it before

00:37:57 ►

and I’ll say it again.

00:37:58 ►

Who controls the language

00:37:59 ►

controls the society.

00:38:01 ►

That’s the way parents control children,

00:38:02 ►

the way the rich control the poor,

00:38:04 ►

the educated control the uneducated.

00:38:06 ►

Who controls

00:38:07 ►

the appliances

00:38:08 ►

of communication

00:38:09 ►

control society?

00:38:10 ►

They used to say

00:38:10 ►

in the industrial society,

00:38:12 ►

freedom of the press.

00:38:13 ►

Yeah, sure, Joe.

00:38:15 ►

The press is free

00:38:16 ►

to him who owns the press.

00:38:19 ►

Ask Murdoch, huh?

00:38:21 ►

Time, Life magazine,

00:38:23 ►

Big Power has just

00:38:24 ►

merged with Warner Brothers books and that. Kind of interesting, huh? Big, big magazine, big power has just merged with Warner Brothers books and that.

00:38:26 ►

Kind of interesting, huh? Big, big, big, more, more, more control. But it’s a lost cause. Bigger is

00:38:33 ►

through. Why? Because in the last five years, it’s unbelievable the informational power that has

00:38:42 ►

appeared in the house of a 15-year-old kid in America.

00:38:46 ►

First of all, instead of just the three networks, ABC, NBC, and CIA,

00:38:52 ►

now we have cable, and you have Dish, and you have a subscription,

00:38:59 ►

and you have, you know, I know it’s true here, I know it’s true in L.A.,

00:39:03 ►

you get about 36 channels coming in,

00:39:06 ►

not to mention the fact that you can go down to a video store and you’ve got at your fingertips

00:39:12 ►

more informational power than MGM Film Library had 20 years ago,

00:39:17 ►

and then you’ve got computers coming along.

00:39:19 ►

So computers help you.

00:39:21 ►

Remember I’ve defined computer as an interpersonal communication device?

00:39:25 ►

Never think of the word computer

00:39:27 ►

as that little box

00:39:28 ►

that there would be,

00:39:28 ►

you know,

00:39:29 ►

we all hate computers.

00:39:30 ►

Computers are the things

00:39:31 ►

that make you line up

00:39:32 ►

in front of the bank

00:39:33 ►

and you wonder

00:39:33 ►

if your check’s going to bounce

00:39:34 ►

and the computer foul up,

00:39:37 ►

you know,

00:39:37 ►

and you go to the airline

00:39:38 ►

and you’re wondering

00:39:39 ►

if the computer’s going to

00:39:40 ►

give you a place on,

00:39:41 ►

you know.

00:39:41 ►

Well, that’s all over now

00:39:42 ►

because we’ve all learned

00:39:44 ►

how to,

00:39:44 ►

who controls the screen

00:39:46 ►

controls society.

00:39:48 ►

If ABC and Ronald Reagan

00:39:51 ►

and the spin doctors

00:39:53 ►

of the Republican Party

00:39:54 ►

control the TV,

00:39:55 ►

which they do,

00:39:56 ►

they control the country.

00:39:56 ►

That’s how Bush got elected.

00:39:57 ►

We know that.

00:39:58 ►

Who controls the screen

00:39:59 ►

controls the people.

00:40:01 ►

That’s the downside

00:40:02 ►

and the upside is,

00:40:04 ►

hey, no shit.

00:40:06 ►

If that’s true,

00:40:07 ►

then if I can get control

00:40:08 ►

of my screen,

00:40:10 ►

hey, I’m home free.

00:40:12 ►

And that’s exactly

00:40:13 ►

what is happening

00:40:14 ►

and I’ve been working

00:40:15 ►

myself personally

00:40:16 ►

six years

00:40:16 ►

on this crusade.

00:40:18 ►

We’re giving more and more power.

00:40:19 ►

We’re developing software

00:40:20 ►

that will give power

00:40:21 ►

to the 14-year-old kid

00:40:22 ►

to control her screen.

00:40:24 ►

I’ll give you one example of how it’s going to happen.

00:40:26 ►

Within two or three years, this stuff is already in the market,

00:40:29 ►

but it’s not cheap enough.

00:40:30 ►

Within two or three years, the 14-year-old kid in the ghetto

00:40:33 ►

or the barrio or the slum,

00:40:35 ►

and this is the future of our nation you’re talking about,

00:40:38 ►

because our nation is never any greater than it’s,

00:40:42 ►

you know, least deprived.

00:40:45 ►

The 14-year-old kid in the ghetto,

00:40:47 ►

burial slum or

00:40:48 ►

bored suburb,

00:40:51 ►

will have inexpensive

00:40:52 ►

computer power,

00:40:53 ►

less money

00:40:54 ►

than two of those

00:40:56 ►

$25 textbooks

00:40:57 ►

that the kids don’t read

00:40:58 ►

to do this.

00:41:01 ►

We’ve got a 14-year-old girl

00:41:02 ►

in the ghetto.

00:41:04 ►

And I feel hopeless and helpless. I have no

00:41:08 ►

power whatsoever. And what can I do? I saw a movie last night. It made me so pissed off.

00:41:13 ►

What can I do? What was the movie you saw? I saw Rambo. Yeah. Pretty shitty, isn’t it?

00:41:19 ►

Yeah, Rambo. It’s a movie about Sly Stallone, Mr. Steroid himself,

00:41:32 ►

climbing around in the jungles of Southeast Asia,

00:41:36 ►

sweating in that band overhead, and he’s singing the Star Spangled Banner.

00:41:41 ►

He comes crashing through the foliage into this native clearing,

00:41:45 ►

and he pulls out a big, enormous gun Shoots down 200 colored people remember that one

00:41:48 ►

Then he said I did it all for you Ronnie

00:41:52 ►

Okay

00:41:53 ►

I found the 14 year old kid in the ghetto. What can I do about that?

00:41:56 ►

It costs about 45 million dollars to make a Rambo movie not including the 10 you give

00:42:02 ►

sly

00:42:03 ►

So what can that kid do? Here’s what that kid can do in two years.

00:42:06 ►

You go down to the video store. Every 99 cents you rent Rambo and you bring it home. And you put it on

00:42:13 ►

your VCR and you watch it. Now with the present, you can’t redo the whole movie. You don’t want to.

00:42:19 ►

You pick out like the minute of that movie you want to change and you digitize it. Maybe you’ll take

00:42:24 ►

that scene I just gave you, bursting into the native clearing, and you digitize about a minute of that movie you want to change and you digitize it. Maybe you take that scene I just gave you, bursting into the native clearing, and

00:42:27 ►

you digitize about a minute of that. And then now you can do whatever you want

00:42:30 ►

with it. You know these cheap paint programs you can you can put the mustache

00:42:34 ►

on Sly Stallone. You know. Now here’s what we’ll do. Look up National Geographic and we’ll

00:42:40 ►

get a picture of a big, ugly, mean-looking gorilla, okay?

00:42:46 ►

From the waist up. Pop that on top of Sly. And then about that big gun. I don’t know

00:42:52 ►

what we’ll do about that gun. Let’s see. Oh, yeah. We’ll look up a good housekeeping magazine.

00:42:56 ►

There’s a wilted celery star. No. Here’s a National Geographic. There’s a naturography he has a big elephant a sick looking limp dangling penis

00:43:05 ►

okay

00:43:05 ►

photograph it

00:43:08 ►

digitize it

00:43:09 ►

pop it on your computer

00:43:10 ►

okay

00:43:10 ►

now I need the voice

00:43:13 ►

voice says

00:43:15 ►

I want it for you

00:43:16 ►

this time

00:43:18 ►

Ronnie

00:43:19 ►

okay

00:43:19 ►

let’s get a helium voice

00:43:21 ►

alright

00:43:21 ►

let’s get

00:43:23 ►

Mickey Mouse

00:43:24 ►

you know

00:43:24 ►

feed it right up okay alright then pass that in you’ve spent about two dollars now Let’s get a helium voice, all right? Let’s get Mickey Mouse. All right, then,

00:43:27 ►

you’ve spent about $2 now.

00:43:31 ►

You run it,

00:43:32 ►

and there he is going through the jungle,

00:43:34 ►

and he’s good looking,

00:43:35 ►

and he’s sweating,

00:43:37 ►

rocky.

00:43:38 ►

Suddenly, he’s there in the native clearing,

00:43:40 ►

and he’s a gorilla

00:43:42 ►

carrying a limp penis.

00:43:43 ►

He’s like,

00:43:44 ►

we want it for you Ronnie

00:43:45 ►

but then

00:43:50 ►

what you do

00:43:52 ►

is you take that

00:43:53 ►

tape

00:43:54 ►

and you put it back

00:43:55 ►

in the box

00:43:56 ►

and

00:44:03 ►

within three years

00:44:05 ►

the most fun in America

00:44:06 ►

is going to be going to a

00:44:07 ►

tape thrower

00:44:09 ►

not knowing what you’re going to get

00:44:10 ►

it’s called

00:44:13 ►

Power to the People

00:44:14 ►

now I’m going to take a five minute break

00:44:16 ►

and if you want to hang around

00:44:18 ►

and play musical words with me

00:44:21 ►

I’ll meet you here in about five or ten minutes

00:44:23 ►

thank you musical words with me. I’ll meet you here in about five or ten minutes. Thank you.

00:44:31 ►

This is supposed to be the most interesting part of the program.

00:44:34 ►

And I want to say right

00:44:36 ►

in the beginning

00:44:36 ►

that we don’t want to get into a

00:44:39 ►

question and answer

00:44:41 ►

mode here. It’s an easy

00:44:43 ►

trap to fall into.

00:44:45 ►

There’s certain questions about facts.

00:44:48 ►

I’ll try to answer them.

00:44:49 ►

Some of you have been places

00:44:50 ►

you haven’t been.

00:44:53 ►

But basically,

00:44:54 ►

don’t look to me for answers.

00:44:56 ►

I’m not here to give you

00:44:58 ►

any prepackaged,

00:45:00 ►

nicely wrapped up answers.

00:45:03 ►

My job is to stimulate you

00:45:05 ►

and to throw you off balance

00:45:06 ►

and my answer is always going to be

00:45:07 ►

well think for yourself

00:45:08 ►

although I’ll try to

00:45:09 ►

to invest my ability

00:45:11 ►

I’ll try to

00:45:11 ►

make it more fun for you

00:45:13 ►

to think for yourself

00:45:14 ►

by the way you know

00:45:15 ►

thinking for yourself

00:45:16 ►

the brain

00:45:17 ►

is the ultimate pleasure organ

00:45:19 ►

you know

00:45:19 ►

I didn’t invent that

00:45:22 ►

but

00:45:22 ►

and it’s not my fault Nancy

00:45:25 ►

that the brain is so popular

00:45:28 ►

because it’s been designed

00:45:30 ►

for four and a half billion years

00:45:32 ►

to make its use

00:45:33 ►

you know

00:45:34 ►

pleasurable

00:45:34 ►

so my job is to try to

00:45:36 ►

stimulate you

00:45:37 ►

to use it

00:45:38 ►

now there’s a mic here

00:45:41 ►

and a mic there

00:45:41 ►

so anyone’s got

00:45:42 ►

some smart ass thing to say

00:45:44 ►

why don’t you come on up?

00:45:47 ►

Do you still recommend stimulating our minds with acid?

00:45:50 ►

The question is, do I recommend stimulating our minds with acid?

00:45:54 ►

No, I don’t.

00:45:55 ►

I never have recommended that anyone take a specific drug.

00:46:02 ►

and take a specific drug.

00:46:14 ►

In the 60s, we did a great deal of,

00:46:15 ►

we did tremendous amount of research at Harvard University.

00:46:16 ►

As a matter of fact, there were probably 500 clinics

00:46:18 ►

and centers around the world that were using LSD

00:46:23 ►

in the context

00:46:26 ►

where people knew

00:46:27 ►

what they were doing

00:46:28 ►

and there was no problem,

00:46:30 ►

there were hardly any problems at all,

00:46:31 ►

except when the CIA was doing it,

00:46:33 ►

as you probably know,

00:46:34 ►

and then people got pretty weird

00:46:35 ►

behind that,

00:46:37 ►

especially when they were

00:46:38 ►

not told what they were taking.

00:46:40 ►

But I think we made it very clear

00:46:42 ►

that the turn on,

00:46:44 ►

tune in, drop out, by the way,

00:46:45 ►

didn’t mean rush off and go to the pharmacy and buy LSD for $2 and turn on, like that.

00:46:55 ►

Matter of fact, after the year 1966, 67, 68,

00:46:58 ►

it was folly and absolute semantic nonsense to tell anyone to take LSD,

00:47:03 ►

even if they wanted to, because there wasn’t any LSD around.

00:47:06 ►

I mean, no legal LSD.

00:47:07 ►

You didn’t know what you were getting.

00:47:08 ►

And I would say

00:47:09 ►

that maybe seven or eight million people

00:47:10 ►

have taken LSD since 1966, 67.

00:47:13 ►

How do you know what you were getting?

00:47:14 ►

You may have been,

00:47:15 ►

if you were lucky

00:47:15 ►

and you knew some of the great,

00:47:17 ►

great dedicated San Francisco alchemists

00:47:20 ►

like Owsley, the bear,

00:47:23 ►

and he was one of

00:47:25 ►

the many

00:47:25 ►

totally dedicated

00:47:26 ►

devoted

00:47:27 ►

visionary chemists

00:47:29 ►

you were

00:47:30 ►

in good shape

00:47:32 ►

but if you’re

00:47:33 ►

getting some stuff

00:47:34 ►

from some guy

00:47:34 ►

in a trench coat

00:47:35 ►

in a bar room

00:47:36 ►

in Austin, Texas

00:47:37 ►

you know

00:47:38 ►

who knows

00:47:39 ►

although I must say

00:47:40 ►

that

00:47:41 ►

the

00:47:41 ►

politics and the

00:47:43 ►

economics

00:47:43 ►

of the psychedelic movement,

00:47:46 ►

when you think about it, there were no millionaire Peruvian LSD barons, you know?

00:47:50 ►

And there was no shooting.

00:47:52 ►

Look at Woodstock. How about Woodstock?

00:47:55 ►

400,000 people there, high school, you know, 18, they had to be old enough to drive.

00:48:00 ►

400,000 people there for three days and nights raining wall-to-wall mud

00:48:05 ►

not much sanitation, hardly any food

00:48:07 ►

wall-to-wall psychedelic drugs

00:48:09 ►

and not one act of recorded violence

00:48:12 ►

isn’t that amazing?

00:48:13 ►

in the Rambo steroid 80s

00:48:15 ►

to think of 20 young Americans getting together

00:48:18 ►

for a weekend and not raping and looting each other

00:48:22 ►

can you imagine at Woodstock

00:48:26 ►

anyone sneaking off

00:48:28 ►

and shooting up heroin

00:48:29 ►

under a bush?

00:48:30 ►

It’s totally unbelievable,

00:48:32 ►

isn’t it?

00:48:33 ►

No one would do it.

00:48:34 ►

Or coming in

00:48:34 ►

and smoking crack

00:48:35 ►

to get that

00:48:36 ►

30-second flash.

00:48:38 ►

Yeah.

00:48:39 ►

At Woodstock?

00:48:40 ►

I mean…

00:48:41 ►

But…

00:48:42 ►

No, I…

00:48:44 ►

Particularly nowadays, I don’t want anything I’ve said tonight to imply that I’m urging you to rush off like lemmings I mean but no I particularly nowadays

00:48:45 ►

I don’t want anything

00:48:46 ►

I’ve said tonight

00:48:46 ►

to imply that I’m urging you

00:48:48 ►

to rush off like lemmings

00:48:49 ►

and to take any brand drug

00:48:51 ►

or any drug at all

00:48:52 ►

number one

00:48:53 ►

because

00:48:53 ►

my job is to make you

00:48:55 ►

think for yourself

00:48:55 ►

number two

00:48:57 ►

how do you know

00:48:57 ►

what you’re getting

00:48:58 ►

see the terrible thing

00:48:58 ►

about

00:48:59 ►

the government

00:49:01 ►

I’ll take off

00:49:02 ►

on this for a minute

00:49:02 ►

okay

00:49:03 ►

the government when the government criminalizes an activity off on this for a minute, okay? The government,

00:49:05 ►

when the government

00:49:06 ►

criminalizes an activity

00:49:07 ►

that human beings

00:49:08 ►

are going to do,

00:49:09 ►

particularly,

00:49:09 ►

and can be inside

00:49:10 ►

their own body,

00:49:12 ►

then the government

00:49:13 ►

loses all control.

00:49:15 ►

Like when they criminalized

00:49:17 ►

alcohol in the 20s,

00:49:18 ►

there was no more

00:49:20 ►

quality control.

00:49:23 ►

You didn’t know

00:49:23 ►

what you were getting.

00:49:24 ►

And thousands of people

00:49:24 ►

died or became blind because they were drinking turpentine, God knows what shit people were putting in bottles quality control. You didn’t know what you were getting. And thousands of people died

00:49:25 ►

or became blind

00:49:26 ►

because they were drinking turpentine,

00:49:27 ►

God knows what shit

00:49:28 ►

people were putting in bottles

00:49:29 ►

and calling it scotch.

00:49:31 ►

The function of the government

00:49:32 ►

is simply to protect us,

00:49:33 ►

not from ourselves,

00:49:35 ►

but protect us from bad products,

00:49:39 ►

food and drug administration.

00:49:41 ►

As soon as the government

00:49:43 ►

criminalized, if they criminalized abortion abortion, they will do it, with that Reagan-Bush court,

00:49:51 ►

women are going to go on running their own. Women are not going to suddenly give up their control of their own bodies

00:49:57 ►

because of Ed Meese and Jimmy Swagger. But it means the government, there are no longer the securities of knowing

00:50:03 ►

there’s a doctor and knowing that there are antiseptic surgical procedures.

00:50:07 ►

And the same thing is true with drugs.

00:50:09 ►

I mean, we could cut the…

00:50:13 ►

See, number one, the illegal drugs are not the dangerous drugs.

00:50:16 ►

They say that about a thousand people die a year from cocaine.

00:50:20 ►

That’s terrible.

00:50:21 ►

That’s terrible, a thousand people die from cocaine.

00:50:24 ►

You cut that down to less than a hundred

00:50:26 ►

if you just had correct labeling

00:50:29 ►

of the package.

00:50:34 ►

In a society of 250 million people,

00:50:37 ►

there are going to be a few nuts and bolts

00:50:38 ►

that are going to go out

00:50:39 ►

and overdose on peanut butter,

00:50:40 ►

but if you had accurate labeling

00:50:43 ►

on the package, say cocaine,

00:50:45 ►

you’d be going down.

00:50:46 ►

These are decriminalized drugs

00:50:48 ►

and make them bureaucratic.

00:50:49 ►

Take the glamour out of it.

00:50:50 ►

Take the profit out of it.

00:50:51 ►

And they’re kind of boring.

00:50:52 ►

You have to line up

00:50:53 ►

by getting an automobile license.

00:50:55 ►

Get your cocaine,

00:50:56 ►

you have to ride ahead

00:50:57 ►

and you have to, you know,

00:50:58 ►

have to stand in line

00:50:59 ►

and fill out three forms

00:51:00 ►

and get a notary

00:51:02 ►

and then you get it.

00:51:04 ►

And on the package, it should say and on the package it should say accurate

00:51:06 ►

labeling should say more than two tooths of this substance which is pure peruvian cocaine

00:51:11 ►

will turn the normal person into a loud-mouthed obnoxious asshole

00:51:15 ►

now i don’t know it’s probably your constitutional right to be a loud mouth

00:51:25 ►

asshole

00:51:26 ►

I mean

00:51:26 ►

look at Byron Drunks

00:51:28 ►

and Born Again Christians

00:51:29 ►

but

00:51:29 ►

anyway

00:51:35 ►

we said

00:51:38 ►

nothing about

00:51:39 ►

turn on

00:51:39 ►

tune in

00:51:39 ►

drop out

00:51:39 ►

boys and girls

00:51:41 ►

those are not

00:51:41 ►

carved in

00:51:42 ►

we said

00:51:43 ►

turn on

00:51:43 ►

tune in

00:51:43 ►

drop out

00:51:44 ►

we didn’t mean

00:51:44 ►

turn on

00:51:44 ►

once click tune in in drop out what do you mean turn on once

00:51:45 ►

click

00:51:45 ►

tune in

00:51:47 ►

once

00:51:47 ►

drop out

00:51:49 ►

clunk

00:51:49 ►

do it every hour

00:51:52 ►

turn on

00:51:53 ►

tune in

00:51:53 ►

drop in

00:51:54 ►

drop out

00:51:54 ►

turn around

00:51:55 ►

turn up

00:51:55 ►

turn down

00:51:56 ►

tune in

00:51:57 ►

tune out

00:51:57 ►

the motto of the 80s

00:52:02 ►

is not

00:52:02 ►

tune in

00:52:03 ►

turn on

00:52:03 ►

drop out

00:52:04 ►

it’s a

00:52:04 ►

hang on

00:52:05 ►

hang in

00:52:08 ►

and hang out

00:52:09 ►

anyway

00:52:09 ►

anyway

00:52:12 ►

don’t believe anything

00:52:16 ►

I’m saying here tonight

00:52:17 ►

right

00:52:17 ►

think for yourself

00:52:18 ►

okay

00:52:19 ►

yeah

00:52:20 ►

okay

00:52:21 ►

I was wondering

00:52:24 ►

how you have such faith in the individual to think for himself,

00:52:28 ►

particularly in light of the argument you made about existentialism

00:52:31 ►

and your belief that these people didn’t know any better,

00:52:35 ►

but we do or we can, and this faith in the individual.

00:52:42 ►

Where that comes from, why you believe the individual

00:52:45 ►

can think for themselves.

00:52:47 ►

The question is,

00:52:48 ►

why do I have such confidence

00:52:49 ►

in the individual

00:52:49 ►

thinking for themselves?

00:52:50 ►

Well, believe me,

00:52:52 ►

no question of it,

00:52:55 ►

if you encourage

00:52:56 ►

a lot of people

00:52:57 ►

to start thinking

00:52:57 ►

for themselves,

00:52:58 ►

they’re going to come out

00:52:59 ►

with some crazy things,

00:53:00 ►

I grant you that.

00:53:03 ►

Tell people,

00:53:04 ►

do your own thing,

00:53:07 ►

you’re likely to do some pretty crazy things. On the other hand, it’s the basis of all of the really true philosophic religions,

00:53:13 ►

whether it’s Hinduism, Buddhism, Gnostic Christianity, Sufi Islam, Hasidic Judaism, I can name it.

00:53:19 ►

All the pagan religions, all of the folk religions of world history,

00:53:27 ►

have always tried to empower the individual.

00:53:29 ►

They say, divinity is fine.

00:53:30 ►

Emerson said it.

00:53:33 ►

Every one of these religions I named, paganism,

00:53:35 ►

they all say, the power is within you.

00:53:36 ►

The divinity is within you.

00:53:37 ►

So you’ve got to turn it on.

00:53:39 ►

You’ve got to activate it somehow.

00:53:43 ►

Now, we should take our lead from the religions

00:53:45 ►

who’ve been doing this for thousands of years.

00:53:46 ►

I’m talking about Hinduism

00:53:48 ►

and all these different kinds

00:53:48 ►

of rituals.

00:53:50 ►

And they use a lot of dope, too.

00:53:51 ►

Don’t believe me.

00:53:51 ►

The Ganges was awash

00:53:53 ►

with hashish

00:53:53 ►

for several thousand years.

00:53:56 ►

And the Sufis, too.

00:53:58 ►

The rules of the game,

00:54:01 ►

if you’re going to

00:54:02 ►

activate someone

00:54:04 ►

to think for themselves,

00:54:05 ►

you’ve got to do it

00:54:07 ►

in a context

00:54:08 ►

of a supportive group.

00:54:10 ►

As I said about Woodstock,

00:54:11 ►

400,000 people,

00:54:13 ►

so no one will ever go off

00:54:14 ►

and shoot heroin,

00:54:15 ►

or the thing is

00:54:17 ►

you’ve got to think for yourself.

00:54:17 ►

I don’t mean

00:54:18 ►

think lonely, solitary thoughts

00:54:20 ►

when you’re out there

00:54:20 ►

or genius.

00:54:21 ►

Shit, I mean,

00:54:22 ►

that’s Charles Manson stuff.

00:54:25 ►

Think for yourself doesn’t mean that you’re not going to think with other people. Remember,

00:54:28 ►

I just made the point that if you think for yourself and become a true individual, you’re

00:54:32 ►

going to go around and you want to turn on others and they want to turn you on. That’s

00:54:35 ►

what quarks are all about. Everyone is a quark. All quarks are waiting to be turned on. If,

00:54:40 ►

if, if, if, if, then. That’s the algorithm of quantum physics.

00:54:48 ►

So, you study the pagan religions and the monotheistic religions,

00:54:51 ►

fundamentalist Islam,

00:54:53 ►

fundamentalist Christianity,

00:54:54 ►

fundamentalist Judaism,

00:54:55 ►

and fundamentalist communism.

00:54:56 ►

These orthodox religions,

00:54:58 ►

the state, God has the power,

00:55:02 ►

the church has the power.

00:55:02 ►

The Pope, the Pope right now,

00:55:04 ►

it’s unbelievable. He’s the smartest man of the 12 the power. The Pope. The Pope right now is unbelievable.

00:55:05 ►

He’s the smartest man

00:55:06 ►

of the 12th century.

00:55:07 ►

The Pope over there

00:55:08 ►

in Rome is right now

00:55:09 ►

doing everything he can

00:55:10 ►

to keep American Catholics

00:55:12 ►

from thinking of themselves.

00:55:15 ►

Granted,

00:55:16 ►

that’s not an easy allusion,

00:55:17 ►

but my number one answer to you is

00:55:19 ►

I trust an individual.

00:55:22 ►

No matter how crazy,

00:55:23 ►

fucked up an individual can be,

00:55:25 ►

he can’t be as fucked up as the Catholic Church.

00:55:33 ►

Millions of people all marching on to war,

00:55:36 ►

onward Christian soldiers, communism,

00:55:38 ►

line up for Marx and for the state.

00:55:40 ►

The worst thing a single human being can do

00:55:43 ►

is fuck up the neighborhood for a week or two.

00:55:48 ►

But when you get the lockstep of one billion people of the Islamic faith following

00:55:52 ►

that’s what’s scary, no matter what, you know

00:55:55 ►

that collectivity lowers intelligence, no matter how dumb the individual is

00:56:00 ►

there’s no dumb individual that could have caused World War II

00:56:03 ►

or Chernobyl.

00:56:07 ►

It takes organized stupidity. That’s what I’m scared of.

00:56:12 ►

And the second point I would say is, if you’re going to follow this life course of thinking for yourself,

00:56:21 ►

don’t be a lonely individual. My God, you’re going to need contact.

00:56:25 ►

Remember, I started saying Einstein.

00:56:27 ►

You’re going to need feedback.

00:56:28 ►

And that’s what the old pagan religions teach us.

00:56:32 ►

The voodoo religions.

00:56:33 ►

They chant and they drum.

00:56:35 ►

You’re supposed to go in and think for yourself.

00:56:38 ►

You’re supposed to find your own totem animal.

00:56:40 ►

You’re going off.

00:56:41 ►

But you’ve got the group there.

00:56:43 ►

And you can bark like a dog.

00:56:44 ►

You can roll around on the ground. A man can become, dance like a woman, that’s all

00:56:48 ►

right, because you got the group there. Hey, go for it, baby. This is your moment to go

00:56:52 ►

within and find in this universe of your own brain and your own neurological infinities,

00:56:59 ►

go around as long as you got the group there. That’s Woodstock. I want to tell you, so I’m on this riff,

00:57:06 ►

there is an amazing,

00:57:08 ►

authentic American religion

00:57:09 ►

which is built upon these principles.

00:57:12 ►

And it’s almost invisible.

00:57:13 ►

It’s amazing to me

00:57:14 ►

how this religion has existed

00:57:17 ►

right in the middle

00:57:17 ►

of the Nancy Reagan administration

00:57:19 ►

without calling attention to itself.

00:57:22 ►

I’m talking about

00:57:23 ►

the largest religion,

00:57:26 ►

American religion, dedicated to

00:57:28 ►

individual pursuit. I’m talking, of course,

00:57:31 ►

about the Grateful Deadheads.

00:57:33 ►

I mean,

00:57:33 ►

we underestimate

00:57:37 ►

the Deadheads, because, you know, they don’t run around,

00:57:39 ►

they don’t bomb abortion

00:57:41 ►

clinics, they don’t try to

00:57:42 ►

convert anybody. But, you know, think about it.

00:57:45 ►

Week after week,

00:57:47 ►

the Grateful Dead is going around.

00:57:49 ►

They’re not even bothering with any studio sound.

00:57:53 ►

There’s none of the hype, you know.

00:57:54 ►

They’re going around week after week,

00:57:57 ►

year after year,

00:57:58 ►

and 20, 30, they all sell out.

00:58:01 ►

And the Deadheads, it’s an ongoing,

00:58:08 ►

based pre-Christian or pre-monotheistic religion.

00:58:12 ►

And you ask the Grateful Dead, and they say, well, yeah, they say, well, there I feel I belong, that I’m, I have access to parts of me that I can’t get in the run-of-the-mill

00:58:17 ►

robot industrial society. My only problem is now that the Grateful Dead, they’re becoming

00:58:22 ►

a little too visible. There was a riot in

00:58:25 ►

Pittsburgh. They hate Tupac. Yes, all right. And then I was at some New York State University,

00:58:32 ►

I won’t say where, a couple months ago. And there were students were driving back to the airport.

00:58:37 ►

And there was a VW van. And all these kids in the van said they were taking LSD. I said, oh,

00:58:41 ►

Jesus, I’m sorry to hear that. How do you know what you’re getting? You know, and they said,

00:58:45 ►

well, we know

00:58:46 ►

what we’re getting.

00:58:46 ►

I said, well,

00:58:47 ►

how do you know

00:58:47 ►

what you’re getting?

00:58:47 ►

He said, we get it

00:58:48 ►

at Graceful Dead concerts.

00:58:53 ►

I’m not recommending that,

00:58:55 ►

but your chances

00:58:55 ►

of getting

00:58:56 ►

holy LSD,

00:58:58 ►

or whatever you want to say it,

00:58:58 ►

or non-commercial LSD,

00:59:00 ►

is better

00:59:02 ►

under those circumstances.

00:59:03 ►

But again,

00:59:04 ►

I’m not recommending it.

00:59:09 ►

What role do you think

00:59:10 ►

colleges play in society?

00:59:12 ►

Say it again.

00:59:12 ►

What role do you think

00:59:13 ►

colleges play in society?

00:59:15 ►

Who is it?

00:59:15 ►

Colleges.

00:59:16 ►

Colleges.

00:59:17 ►

Colleges, universities.

00:59:18 ►

Colleges, oh.

00:59:20 ►

Well,

00:59:21 ►

colleges, universities

00:59:23 ►

are tax supported, state supported, or financed by wealthy individuals and trusts to prepare you to find your niche, your slot, your cog in the great industrial machine.

00:59:41 ►

This is a factory.

00:59:50 ►

machine. This is a factory. The great thing about universities is they do give young people a chance to have three or four years off, so there’s a little encouragement to think

00:59:53 ►

for yourself. And my advice to you is don’t decide to major until after you graduate.

00:59:58 ►

When you get 50 years old, select your major, all right? alright no I don’t want to say that

01:00:05 ►

I’m just

01:00:05 ►

don’t believe anything I’m saying

01:00:07 ►

I’m just trying to

01:00:07 ►

shake you up here

01:00:08 ►

you know

01:00:08 ►

I don’t want to discourage

01:00:10 ►

any business administration

01:00:11 ►

majors here to

01:00:12 ►

become hippies

01:00:14 ►

not me

01:00:15 ►

the

01:00:20 ►

interesting thing about

01:00:24 ►

the universities though

01:00:24 ►

in the last few years, in the 80s,

01:00:27 ►

as they go around to colleges, the students, no question of it, the students are much more

01:00:31 ►

conservative.

01:00:32 ►

The students in the 80s typically were materialistic.

01:00:35 ►

They were career-oriented.

01:00:36 ►

They wanted jobs.

01:00:37 ►

They were not very concerned with social causes.

01:00:41 ►

They weren’t like those kids in the streets of Moscow or South Korea or you saw on TV

01:00:45 ►

tonight in China

01:00:46 ►

they

01:00:47 ►

the drugs

01:00:48 ►

jeez booze

01:00:49 ►

I can’t believe

01:00:50 ►

the boozing

01:00:52 ►

that goes on

01:00:52 ►

in colleges these days

01:00:53 ►

you know

01:00:54 ►

what’s it

01:00:54 ►

Tuesdays

01:00:55 ►

BPJ Tuesdays

01:00:56 ►

holy Moses

01:00:57 ►

really

01:00:58 ►

and

01:00:59 ►

the music today

01:01:03 ►

certainly is not like

01:01:04 ►

the music

01:01:04 ►

the music is a key the music listen to the lyrics the music you certainly is not like the music the music is a key

01:01:06 ►

the music

01:01:06 ►

listen to the lyrics

01:01:07 ►

the music you see

01:01:08 ►

I love Madonna

01:01:09 ►

and I love Prince

01:01:10 ►

and Michael Jackson

01:01:11 ►

and all that

01:01:11 ►

but

01:01:11 ►

it doesn’t have the

01:01:13 ►

philosophic kick

01:01:14 ►

that Len and

01:01:15 ►

Jimi Hendrix had

01:01:16 ►

I mean

01:01:16 ►

call me old fashioned

01:01:17 ►

but

01:01:18 ►

now

01:01:24 ►

we’ve been on many

01:01:26 ►

particularly

01:01:27 ►

the professors

01:01:28 ►

have been really upset

01:01:30 ►

the last ten years

01:01:31 ►

because

01:01:31 ►

for the first time

01:01:32 ►

in human history

01:01:33 ►

the professors

01:01:34 ►

in the university

01:01:35 ►

have been more far out

01:01:36 ►

than the students

01:01:36 ►

because

01:01:37 ►

most of the professors

01:01:39 ►

not all of them

01:01:40 ►

most of them

01:01:40 ►

went through the 60s

01:01:41 ►

and had some concept

01:01:43 ►

of less

01:01:44 ►

you know,

01:01:45 ►

quantum psychology, all that loosening up.

01:01:47 ►

Professors have these uptight kids that just want to,

01:01:50 ►

the only cause they’re concerned with is they’re going to ride over more parking space

01:01:54 ►

in the student parking lot, right?

01:01:56 ►

Jeez.

01:01:58 ►

But some professors explained this to me just a few months ago.

01:02:02 ►

It’s all very obvious, demographics.

01:02:05 ►

You notice,

01:02:06 ►

I ask any students

01:02:07 ►

when I go to college now,

01:02:08 ►

what music did your mom and dad

01:02:12 ►

listen to

01:02:13 ►

when they made love

01:02:13 ►

the first time?

01:02:15 ►

Oh, Benny Goodman.

01:02:16 ►

Oh, yeah, no shit.

01:02:18 ►

Well, Liberace.

01:02:19 ►

Oh, no shit.

01:02:21 ►

Bobby Dyer.

01:02:22 ►

Yeah, no shit.

01:02:27 ►

The college kids, count on your no shit the college kids count on your fingers

01:02:28 ►

the college kids

01:02:29 ►

in the last 10 years

01:02:31 ►

were brought up

01:02:33 ►

by parents

01:02:34 ►

who had their 60s

01:02:36 ►

and the 50s

01:02:37 ►

and that’s really

01:02:38 ►

tough luck

01:02:39 ►

if you’re over

01:02:42 ►

the age of 20

01:02:43 ►

chances are

01:02:45 ►

your parents

01:02:46 ►

lost their virginity

01:02:47 ►

made their social contacts

01:02:48 ►

their adult imprints happen

01:02:50 ►

during the administration

01:02:52 ►

of Eisenhower

01:02:53 ►

we had a nice

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fatherly general

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just like Reagan

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you know

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he’s smiling all the time

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falling asleep

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and he’s alright

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you had the red scare

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remember

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instead of

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Ollie North

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and all this

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DEA stuff

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the evil

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empire

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of course Russia

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but

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the

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the domestic

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problem

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that was corrupting

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cancerous youth

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who were

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colleges

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was not drugs

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then it was reds

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god damn it

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there’s reds everywhere. Reds under here,

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reds under the bed, reds in the English department, and the pinkos and the covert communists, and

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dupes of the communists. Jesus, the universities back there on McCarthy was awash, not with drugs,

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but with communism. And as I said, the music, you know what the music was? You know what,

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where kids in the 50s, if you wanted to revolt and rebel, you’d go to these

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soda fountains

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and have a little jukebox and

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you’d get off on that.

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So,

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on the other hand, starting

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about 1990, actually starting

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just about, if any of you who are

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under 20 or around 20,

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okay, if you’re under 20 you who are under 20 or around 20, okay,

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if you’re under 20, ask your mom and dad,

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well, where were you

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20 years ago today? Hey, mom

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and dad, were you at Woodstock?

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Running around bare ass?

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Hey, mom

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and dad, did you levitate

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the Pentagon with Abbie Hoffman and that shit?

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Did you smoke grass

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and listen to Dylan? He’s thinking,

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don’t follow leaders,

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watch your parking meters

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or ain’t going to work

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from Maggie’s farm no more.

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Did you listen to John Lennon

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singing,

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give peace a chance

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and all you need is love?

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I mean,

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they say,

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of course,

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every generation is different,

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but they say

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that the kids coming along

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that are now

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under the age of 20

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are going to be very different

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from the button-down business administration

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students of the last 10 years.

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That’s what that is.

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In addition to the plain demographics,

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you also have,

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and this is a wonderful,

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wonderful intersection of historical forces,

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this new computer software

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is coming along

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that books

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textbooks

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the idea that you’re

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going to use a textbook

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dead tree

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that’s you know

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shipped around

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printed and

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trucked in from

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Boston

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the new techniques

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are going to turn

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a classroom into a

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information center

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there’s no more

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lecturing

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professor lectures

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and the students

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all they’re taking notes

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it’s going to be

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interactive stuff so that the new breed of under people

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are born after 1969, and the new technologies hopefully will intersect

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with something that will raise the intelligence level of our country.

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Okay.

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You’re listening to The Psychedelic Salon,

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where people are changing their lives one thought at a time.

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I have to admit that I am amazed at how on target Leary was.

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He was most definitely a man far ahead of his time.

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You know, at first it may seem that some of his predictions were wrong,

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but they weren’t.

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It was just only his timing that was a little off. Can you imagine the impact that he would

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be having on college campuses and students right now if he were still alive? And if the vibe on

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college campuses was like it was back in 1968? You know, It’s just hard to believe that this talk was given 20 years ago this month.

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Now since I’m still trying to catch up after being out of town off and on for the past few weeks,

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I’m going to keep my own remarks mercifully short today.

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However, one thing that I don’t want to leave unsaid is that in the talk we just heard,

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Dr. Leary mentioned the seriously evil MKUltra program in which the CIA dosed people with psychedelics without first obtaining their consent.

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And what I want to point out is that this was a completely different program from the one that Dr. James Ketchum led for the Army at about the same time.

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from the one that Dr. James Ketchum led for the Army at about the same time.

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Now, for over a year now, I’ve been meaning to interview Dr. Ketchum and kind of had him on hold all this time.

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I want to bring him into the salon for an episode,

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and the only reason that it hasn’t happened yet

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is that I’ve been focusing most of my time on finishing my new book.

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But eventually, I’ll get that interview done

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so that you can hear the full story directly from a man who was there. And just one other observation I’d like to make

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about the talk we just heard has to do with the year in which it was given. As you know,

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I grew up in the 1950s and graduated from college in 1964. So the background music from that part of my life was quite different from

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what young people were listening to in 1989. And the music of the late 60s and early 70s

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was really more hard-charging, I think, more in-your-face. For me, the early 1980s brought

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U2’s Boy and albums like that, which were still kind of in-your-face songs that challenged you to stand up and be counted.

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But by the end of the 1980s, we were still trying to get over the disco craze,

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which I really enjoyed, by the way.

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And the music back then, at least to me,

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was a little less challenging than I remembered from my younger days.

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And so I’ve been kind of wondering what the 1989 Cornell crowd might have done

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after Dr. Leary’s talk

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had their music been a little more provocative.

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Something like the little tune

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that I’m going to play for you right now.

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Last week, I spent some time

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with a close friend of mine, Mick Mashper.

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Now, if that name sounds familiar to you,

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it may be because at one time you were an Alice Cooper fan.

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Mick played on their Billion Dollar Babies and Muscle of Love albums and toured as part of the Alice Cooper group in 1973.

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And if you check out his entry in Wikipedia, you’ll find a listing of many other albums and singles that Mick played on with a number of other bands.

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And now he has his own solo album out.

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It’s titled Keeping the Vibe Alive,

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and my muse is insisting that I play a cut from it right now.

01:09:16 ►

On a few occasions in the past, I’ve played some down-tempo music I like,

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but today you’re going to hear the kind of hard-charging rock and roll that has kept me going for years. So tighten your seatbelt and join me in a listen to Mick Mashper’s song, American Weirdo. And for now, this is Lorenzo signing off from Cyberdelic Space. Be well, my friends. I’m an American weirdo

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You’re a weirdo too

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If you live here in America

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Well, there’s nothing you can do but do your best to dream the American dream.

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In the middle of the night, when the left becomes the right, you realize this is not your dream.

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Left becomes a right.

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You realize this is not your dream.

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Oh, America, it’s hard to tell my rights from my menu Why, North America?

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Why do you act like hell

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when you could be

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paradise? There’s an American weirdo

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Sitting by a pool

01:11:50 ►

They don’t have a steady job

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And they never finish school

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Their friends all come around

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They just make deals all day.

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If you want to quote me, I’ll be careful what I say.

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Oh, America, it’s hard to tell my lies from my crimes.

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Oh, America, it’s hard to tell your face from your genuine.

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Oh, America, why do you act like hell when you could be paradise?

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I only sing this song to find out what went wrong

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What went wrong

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What went wrong

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My country tips the knee

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Sweet land of liberty

01:13:30 ►

Where did you go?

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Where did you go?

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Where did you go?

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Where did you go? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

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